The issue is that in translating this to DUST, with our limited selection of sidearms, what you end up proposing is replacing their broadswords with butter knives.

Some of you are also forgetting how much more powerful of a fit is possible once you start leaving equipment slots empty slayer fits only need 1-2 equipment used.

Doing so allows you to upgrade some other modules in this swiss army knife fit.

So I did more maths, and including the the passives that leads them to having 101.4 PG
Minus 55 for the extenders and you have 46.4.

That's more than enough to put some decent gear on there. The Balacs I believe is 13 PG? The most fitting expensive Nano-hive is 16 PG. With those two you have 17.4 PG left, that should fit you a complex kinetic module and a basic armor repair module or shield regulator. Or you can get a power grid upgrade so you can put some grenades and more equipment.

Now, that isn't the most optimal fitting, but it certainly has a lot of possibilities.

hence why there was a call for carbines in the original idea that spawned all the accusations. It would be a side arm variant of current rifles similar fittings but lower rate of fire and magazine of the sorts.

Honestly, IWS needs to never pipe up on matters of balance, he doesn't have the right mindset for it :P


The logistics suits ARE a problem. They are not the -only- problem though.

But so is everything else. All of the suits have been disrupted heavily by uprising, and there is no longer any reasonable baseline between them.


Nerfing logi suits is necessary, but it's not the end-all of making things balanced. Every suit and weapon in the game needs tweaking (some severe, others minor) to restore the baseline of balance. That said, making everything equal is not balance... it is boring. Individual flair is important, so long as a proper level of power is maintained throughout the list. Power requires drawbacks, and drawbacks require advantages. This simple dynamic does not really exist in an acceptable way for most things in the game right now, and nothing really relates nicely with each other. To repeat my gimmick phrase : There is no baseline for balance right now.


The baseline is bad, and there is not a single item (or group thereof) where you can simply say "nerf this and everything will be fine"

The Gallenet Logi can either stack armor plates which would make it slower, or kinetic mods, which would make it faster but more fragile than it's Assault counterpart. It's not comparable to the difference between the Cladari suits because most of their HP doesn't recover as easily. The Gallente suit does have a small advantage because of it's built-in armor repper, but not enough to save them considering how small their shield buffer is anyway, their speed is what makes or breaks those suits.

And yes, we know that one day there will be plates with no penalties.

Armor plates without penalty? In what world are you living? They give you more HP then shield extenders and still offer you other things in the high slot. You cant have mobility and craploads of HP on armor. Shields are designed to be quick but less HP then armor. You have to think about it that in 1vs1 encounters armor is a better advantage cause you can take more bullets at a time. On the other hand shields are popular due to their fast recharge time. Most experienced players would pick armor+damage mods over shield without damage mods.

Honestly, IWS needs to never pipe up on matters of balance, he doesn't have the right mindset for it :P


The logistics suits ARE a problem. They are not the -only- problem though.

But so is everything else. All of the suits have been disrupted heavily by uprising, and there is no longer any reasonable baseline between them.


Nerfing logi suits is necessary, but it's not the end-all of making things balanced. Every suit and weapon in the game needs tweaking (some severe, others minor) to restore the baseline of balance. That said, making everything equal is not balance... it is boring. Individual flair is important, so long as a proper level of power is maintained throughout the list. Power requires drawbacks, and drawbacks require advantages. This simple dynamic does not really exist in an acceptable way for most things in the game right now, and nothing really relates nicely with each other. To repeat my gimmick phrase : There is no baseline for balance right now.


The baseline is bad, and there is not a single item (or group thereof) where you can simply say "nerf this and everything will be fine"

Some of you are also forgetting how much more powerful of a fit is possible once you start leaving equipment slots empty slayer fits only need 1-2 equipment used.

Doing so allows you to upgrade some other modules in this swiss army knife fit.

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

I'm all in for the removal of my light weapon for this carbine.

Question to anyone with more knowledge than me, how is my Amarr Logisuit OP?
I thought that it was a balanced suit, but turns out it was just me thinking that.

IWS shows how much of a unready scrub he is by displaying his ignorance. Just another butthurt player who wants an entire class nerfed because one suit is broken.

Never considered just tweaking the bonuses per level did you?

I did, people would have gotten far more angrier (from the already currently angry) a 10x skill is even more useless.

The Gallenet Logi can either stack armor plates which would make it slower, or kinetic mods, which would make it faster but more fragile than it's Assault counterpart. It's not comparable to the difference between the Cladari suits because most of their HP doesn't recover as easily. The Gallente suit does have a small advantage because of it's built-in armor repper, but not enough to save them considering how small their shield buffer is anyway, their speed is what makes or breaks those suits.

And yes, we know that one day there will be plates with no penalties.

You mean, cause it would no longer be OP (ie fixed). Theres no need to remove our light weapons. Just give logis support bonuses, and give assaults tank bonuses (2% per level instead of 5%). Its like CCP doesnt play their own game. Do you play this game?

This is why this CPM is full of fail, 90% cheerleading, 9% BS, 1% leading.

I did, people would have gotten far more angrier (from the already currently angry) a 10x skill is even more useless.

won't matter they could have the same exact suit with a side arm slot, i'lln++ just spec smgs then, same results.

I am sorry but the voices crying over the current specialization skills being too high are much louder than those crying for a nerf on the suit.

Still I would like to hear a real expert tell us all how to balance the logi, I haven't seen one good suggestion yet.

I am sorry but the voices crying over the current specialization skills being too high are much louder than those crying for a nerf on the suit.

Still I would like to hear a real expert tell us all how to balance the logi, I haven't seen one good suggestion yet.

Just because something is popular doesnt make it the right choice. Its this kneejerk "nerf everything" reaction that has continually ****** this game. You're failure to see that should be enough to disqualify you from your previous CPM position.

I and others have provided plenty of solutions, not our fault you don't take the time to read them. Step down and hand the position over to someone who is ready.

Oh lookie, I made it easy for you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75779&find=unread

Stop trying to push the sidearm restriction issue IWS. TheMark0f22, the person who made the video that's got all of us talking in the first place has already said he can do the same thing with SMGs:

Burning all the logis at the stake won't help and nerfing the CaLogi isn't going to help in the big picture of things. All the other suits need their racial bonuses adjusted so they can be attractive compared to the logi. Logistics finally got to a good place compared to chrome and nerfing them again will be counterproductive to the lifespan of this game. Buff the other suits, (and the HMG) wait for the scrambler rifle shows up, and leave logis alone.