Coupled with the fact that the amarr logi can hit something like 115 amor hp/s when being hit by a repair tool, and like 30-40/s without one?

If CCP just lowers the max number of high and low slots of suits, that could settle this issue. 8 total slots on any suit is too many.

oh I get it, anything to keep your slots.

TBH... None of the suits in uprising are 'Fine'. Just because everything is broken, doesn't mean they're balanced.
Rather than buff every weapon, nerfing and tweaking the suits back down to the original baseline is the better option.

Preach brother preach.
I mean reload speed its so valuable a bonus thats why everyone maxxes out this skill immediately

You want to take their slots? Fine, give them back their base stats. It's so easy to talk about slots while ignoring that all of their base stats are lower. they simply have more freedom in designing their role than an assault suit, it doesn't make them better.

5 from bonus, +15 minus stacking penalty equals 30 +???

The caladari 750 total shields is OP sonsidering it allows them to stack 2 damage mods and still have more HP than my Galante Assault.

Tell CCP to start from scratch, I'm sure it would be more balanced than this.

Would you care to explain your logic?

How is the Amarr Logi better than the Amarr Assault?
It will always have less HP and be slower than the assault suit, that seems like a fair trade for the 2 equipment slots.

Edit: If I had too, I would remove 1 equipment slot from the Gallanete and Minmatar suits, and 1 low slot from the Caldari suit(along with changing it's bonus of course)

Edit 2: And you guys and CCP should really check out Logi Bro's thread, it makes a lot more sense than some of our current bonuses.

This is a common misconception.

In FF both Black mage and Red mage can learn some healing spells, are they the support characters in that game? No, that would be White Mage. Can they be used for support? Yes.

In Legend Of Dragoon, Lavits and Albert can use a move that increases the teams defense, and Rose can learn a weak healing move. Are any of them support characters? No. Can they support the team? Yes.

Having some properties of a support character does not make the character a support character. Logis are not a support role just because they can carry more equipment than assault players.

You want to see a support class?
- Take the basic medium suits
- keep all stats, that includes speed and HP
- give it the slot layout of our current logi suits, that includes equipment
- Take their light weapon away and leave them with just a side arm, Amarr gets two side arms.

Currently every suit in the game is designed with killing as their primary role, logis are far too versatile to be mere babysitters.

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Why would you REMOVE equipment slots from a LOGI. That is our main thing, equipment. Without that extra slot, we are basically an assault.

The caladari 750 total shields is OP sonsidering it allows them to stack 2 damage mods and still have more HP than my Galante Assault.

I honestly agree. A new baseline needs to be established. We are beyond the time for slow and steady tweaks. When pretty much nothing in your game is in a good place and no clear baseline exists... Drastic, system-wise changes to establish a new baseline are necessary.

Our main thing is versatility, not being pack mules for assaults.

5 hp from skill + two skills that provide 25% bonus each to armor repair modules (which do not have stacking penalties)

If they use those mods for shields... then where did they get the room for damage mods exactly?

So 337.5 + 445.5 = 783 EHP, that's using all the slots for shields, where did they get room for damage mods again.

783(L) - 702.9(A) = 80.1 HP difference. The logi has 80 more HP that the assault suit... thanks to it's bonus. otherwise:
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 290.4 =702.9 EHP
Caldari Logistics:337.5 + 363 = 700.5 EHP
Both using all their shields.

Why would you REMOVE equipment slots from a LOGI. That is our main thing, equipment. Without that extra slot, we are basically an assault.

Versatility is included in having equipment. If you want to get all holier-than-thou and stuck up on every other type. You aren't going to survive. Everyone needs everyone in Dust. If you can't handle that then please leave the Logi community, and don't get butter on the door.

The problem with the logistics class is all of them have bonuses to survivability, and assaults have bonuses to fitting.

That doesn't seem backwards to you?

Coupled with the fact that the amarr logi can hit something like 115 amor hp/s when being hit by a repair tool, and like 30-40/s without one?

Caldari isn't the only logi that needs work.

If you switched the passive bonuses between assault and logistics (And tweaked assault pg/cpu because they kind of got shafting in uprising anyways) things would mostly work themselves out. But anyone who says the logistics class as a whole is 'fine' is deluded.

TBH... None of the suits in uprising are 'Fine'. Just because everything is broken, doesn't mean they're balanced.


Uprising raised the baseline for suit HP balance to an unreasonable degree, and weapons did not really change to match.

Rather than buff every weapon, nerfing and tweaking the suits back down to the original baseline is the better option.

easy answer: because he doesnt need them. he plays the class as assault so equip slots make no difference.

I'm saying if they run 3 complex shield extenders and 2 damage mods they still have more effective HP than armor charecters. (If they want to runn a decent repper.

How about 12 including equipment, grenades, weapons, and high/low slots?