Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

This. ur bias is showing when you make this argument. u also lose credibility. logis now have their specialty as no other class gets more than 1 equip slot. there's no reason to go assault when logis will have more slots and equip than you. logis need less high and low than assaults of the same class. now those of you who want to stack damage & shield mods and use it like an uber assault wont like this but no reasonable person would argue it.

proto caldari logi should be 3/2 with 3 equip slots

Black Mages in final fantasy traditionally never learned 'healing' spells unless you consider Drain Drainra Drainga a heal spell but drain doesnt really spread the gained hp elsewhere. Red mages (Red Velvet is a combination of vanillia and chocolate) are white and black mixed. So its natural they learn some heal spells from on of thier parents.

starting to think u have a problem understanding basic concepts.

your buff everything else argument fails hard. any programmer with half a brain knows you tweak as little as possible not only to save time but to not create issues elsewhere. caldari assault is fine, slayers arent having problems killing people. why exchange problems and create one there instead of solving them? this is a good protocol even if you arent a dev with a release 48 hours from now.

hold on are u really arguing that the tac ar is ok in its current form? never mind. wont debate with u second longer. u lack the brainpower to form basic arguments.

And crap design is not fixed with nerfs. Your lazy halfassed approach does not fix the issue, Assault suits were not designed properly and only one Logi Suit is over powered. You going to tell me weapon reload is some important impactful bonus?

The problem with the logistics class is all of them have bonuses to survivability, and assaults have bonuses to fitting.

That doesn't seem backwards to you?

Coupled with the fact that the amarr logi can hit something like 115 amor hp/s when being hit by a repair tool, and like 30-40/s without one?

Caldari isn't the only logi that needs work.

If you switched the passive bonuses between assault and logistics (And tweaked assault pg/cpu because they kind of got shafting in uprising anyways) things would mostly work themselves out. But anyone who says the logistics class as a whole is 'fine' is deluded.

TBH... None of the suits in uprising are 'Fine'. Just because everything is broken, doesn't mean they're balanced.


Uprising raised the baseline for suit HP balance to an unreasonable degree, and weapons did not really change to match.

Rather than buff every weapon, nerfing and tweaking the suits back down to the original baseline is the better option.

I am just saying most other class shooter games gives their medics carbines, smgs, pistols, or needle guns/crossbows instead of rocket launchers, vulcan cannons, or assault rifles.

I am just saying once the scrambler rifle forces the caldari logi to fall out of favor most people will be swapping to the gallente logistics to meet thier needs.

The Gallenet Logi can either stack armor plates which would make it slower, or kinetic mods, which would make it faster but more fragile than it's Assault counterpart. It's not comparable to the difference between the Cladari suits because most of their HP doesn't recover as easily. The Gallente suit does have a small advantage because of it's built-in armor repper, but not enough to save them considering how small their shield buffer is anyway, their speed is what makes or breaks those suits.

And yes, we know that one day there will be plates with no penalties.

You know, if they didn't nerf the HMG and make the other suits suck, we wouldn't be here. Before suggesting to punish an entire class to be nerfed, look at your own and ask yourself if those bonuses are worth keeping.

You know, he actually does know what he's talking about when he isn't trolling are spreading Imp propaganda

Honestly, IWS needs to never pipe up on matters of balance, he doesn't have the right mindset for it :P


The logistics suits ARE a problem. They are not the -only- problem though.

But so is everything else. All of the suits have been disrupted heavily by uprising, and there is no longer any reasonable baseline between them.


Nerfing logi suits is necessary, but it's not the end-all of making things balanced. Every suit and weapon in the game needs tweaking (some severe, others minor) to restore the baseline of balance. That said, making everything equal is not balance... it is boring. Individual flair is important, so long as a proper level of power is maintained throughout the list. Power requires drawbacks, and drawbacks require advantages. This simple dynamic does not really exist in an acceptable way for most things in the game right now, and nothing really relates nicely with each other. To repeat my gimmick phrase : There is no baseline for balance right now.


The baseline is bad, and there is not a single item (or group thereof) where you can simply say "nerf this and everything will be fine"

Some of you are also forgetting how much more powerful of a fit is possible once you start leaving equipment slots empty slayer fits only need 1-2 equipment used.

Doing so allows you to upgrade some other modules in this swiss army knife fit.

I'm all in for the removal of my light weapon for this carbine.

Question to anyone with more knowledge than me, how is my Amarr Logisuit OP?
I thought that it was a balanced suit, but turns out it was just me thinking that.

I did, people would have gotten far more angrier (from the already currently angry) a 10x skill is even more useless.

I am sorry but the voices crying over the current specialization skills being too high are much louder than those crying for a nerf on the suit.

Still I would like to hear a real expert tell us all how to balance the logi, I haven't seen one good suggestion yet.

FInally, people are making sense. Where was this 2 years ago.

Tell me again how goign to sidearms only fixes the caldari logis SUPER TANK? (heres a hint, it doenst). That logi is OP due ot tanking ability, not its ability to carry a light weapon. Cause > Cure. Its not that hard. Really.

Wait wait back up a bit.

People complained on how squishy logis where in chomosome, and now that its fixed in uprising you possibly want to nerf it (back) ?

mmmm back to the "don't nerf all logis" thread or is it only me who feels we have gotten a bit off track and are harting a bit ot much at IWS

IF !! all logis have to give something up this is how i would imagine it happening:

LOGIS: overall bonus make equipment take 5% or 10% less CPU/PG per level.
Then also nerf CPU and PG by like 10%-20% and make logis go 0.2-0.3 slower than they do right now. The CPU/PG nerf but equipment bonus is meant to even out the difference so that putting on equipment as logis are meat to have won't be the problem. But if the logi tries to go all out complex shield this will now take up a bigger percentage of the overall CPU/PG than it would before therefore restricting a logi to go fx 5 complex shields or complex plates (LOL to last ). Logis are meant to be more squishy than assaults that's why we have lower base EHP and are slower than assaults. Instead logis are forced to use a big deal of their slots to try and even this out. Or at least this is what i do !!!
Assaults already have this this higher base EHP and speed so they can focus on stuff like putting damage mods or more stamina.
Hopefully something like this will make logi fits get a bit more "squishy" but make them retain the ability to equip a lot of equipments and help their team. Just my idea IF !! IF logis need to get a nerf i'll rather have something liek this than having logi slot layout bumped to assault level

AMARR: 10% bonus to armor repair module and equipment effectiveness per level
MINMATAR: 5% bonus to hacking speed and DISTANCE.
CALDARI: 10% bonus to shield regen per level. <----( Caldari logis won't get a major EHP buff but will be able to attend downed players and get back into cover and heal up)
GALLENTE: 1 HP/s passive armor repair. (galls pretty much stay as they are good now bonuswise )

ASSAULT: overall bonus 2% bonus to weapon damage.
AMARR: 10% bonus to weapon ammo capacity per level / or something better
MINMATAR: 5% bonus stamina regain and maximum amount.
CALDARI: 3% bonus to reload speed.
GALLENTE: 5% reduction to armor plate drawbacks / or something different

When assaults whine about the extra slots logis get this is where i'll point at the bonus to weapon damage. (everybody has said that assaults should get this and it is a very very good idea )
At level 3 assaults will run around with a extra high slot. In this high slot there has just already been put a enhanced damage for them. FREE OF CHARGE !! No CPU/PG used or anything now that. That's also why you loose your second equipment slot because if you had that you could step into the logis area.
Logi Bro also got some fantastic ideas out so IF !! IF the logis need a nerf look into buffing assaults FIRST and then look at logis again.
PS: heavies and scouts ??? did theey get thrown out or do they also have ****** bonuses ??