I am just saying once the scrambler rifle forces the caldari logi to fall out of favor most people will be swapping to the gallente logistics to meet thier needs.

The Gallenet Logi can either stack armor plates which would make it slower, or kinetic mods, which would make it faster but more fragile than it's Assault counterpart. It's not comparable to the difference between the Cladari suits because most of their HP doesn't recover as easily. The Gallente suit does have a small advantage because of it's built-in armor repper, but not enough to save them considering how small their shield buffer is anyway, their speed is what makes or breaks those suits.

And yes, we know that one day there will be plates with no penalties.

won't matter they could have the same exact suit with a side arm slot, i'lln++ just spec smgs then, same results.

Just because something is popular doesnt make it the right choice. Its this kneejerk "nerf everything" reaction that has continually ****** this game. You're failure to see that should be enough to disqualify you from your previous CPM position.

I and others have provided plenty of solutions, not our fault you don't take the time to read them. Step down and hand the position over to someone who is ready.

Oh lookie, I made it easy for you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75779&find=unread

Wait wait back up a bit.

People complained on how squishy logis where in chomosome, and now that its fixed in uprising you possibly want to nerf it (back) ?

and I keep saying the problem will become more apparent once the scrambler rifle makes it in.

Don't worry.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I see the rest of the CPM pushing for balance specific balance changes beyond drawing attention to things that are obviously broken. This is not something we are suited for and in every situation it's better to point CCP to threads on the subjects than to simply say "Sup CCP, make this stat X cause we are CPM"


That's not what the CPM is there for, and it's not what we're going to do. Balance is best left to people who actually understand the concept of fair and objective use... Which is not the case for most of the CPM.

If a nerf comes it's because the community was spamming about it and that's all we had to link to CCP. Just sayin'

no ccp doesnt even need to balance between FPS and EVE, FPSs have a long track record of varied and balanced weapons sets in fact prior to video games becoming popular enough for FPSs to sell out to casual gamers they were considered hard core and frankly rivaled RTS for counter play. CCP needs to look to quake and unreal, those games and many others understood good weapons ballance.

The fact that a gun has to be made specifically to kill 1 class is ridiculous, I also highly doubt that they are making it for the purpose of killing Caldari logistics. There is nothing wrong with the Logistics, or the Assault suits, the only problem is the Caldari Logistics and their racial bonus. A quick fix without nerfing their bonus is to remove or lower the movement penalty from armor plates.

This makes sense I get it, I just wish it counted as a hybrid since using it as an assault wont get any bonuses.

snip!

A support class should provide support fire and aid players in the battlefield? maybe?


Each logistics suit is superior to its counter part in assault

This is why assault suits need a buff...we don't need to nerf logistics, changing the racial bonuses to something less ******** would be nice. Logistics suits have better cpu /pg and more slots with better armor Rep and sheild regan and less delay....how is it that the assault suit has less survivability? Sidearms don't mean jack in the current blob warfare. Sidearms are only needed for av users.

Cross, brother man, you and Redbleach, I'm glad to see you joined this nonsensical debate recently but we're going to lose in the end it seems, even the CPM seems to be preaching against Logis as a whole entity if words from IWS are to be taken at face value... and by "at face value" I mean the guy actually promoting Logis be limited to a Sidearm only, and all kinds of other ridiculousness. And CCP chose to put this guy up as our voice.

Anyway...



Spot on brother.


I like to math it out for people, but they seem afraid of numbers as hard data, that nice chart of which each suit excels at over it's competitor is simple and clear enough that even the shortest of the short-bus riding community can see there's no SUIT issue at all with anyone except maybe the Cal.

EDIT:

It's not even the class bonuses either as you've both pointed out.

It's the Racial bonus for the Caldari alone being so broken while assault bonuses are almost worthless across the board.

I really hope that these are what are "nerfed" and by "nerfed" I mean re-worked on the Cal Logi and all the assaults to give them more incentive to get into the Class suit branches in the first place and make everyone happier in the long-run, CCP included.