This is the million ISK question that NOT A SINGLE Anti-logi supporter has been able to give a good answer to. The discussions always seem to go like this:

Anti-logi guy: Nerf the Logis!
Me: Why do Logis need to be nerfed?
Anti-logi guy: Because people are using the Caldari logi suit as an assault suit!
Me: Then why don't they just nerf the Caldari Logi suit?
Anti-logi guy: No, my problem isn't with the Caldari suit. The entire class has to be nerfed so they can only use sidearms.
Me: Why does the entire class need to be nerfed?
Anti-logi #2: NERF THE LOGIS!!!
Anti-logi #1: EXACTLY! NERF THE LOGIS!
Me: lolwut?

It is mind boggling how that one question is either completely ignored or shuts down all Anti-logi talk. I honestly don't even expect them to answer this thread, but I want CCP to realize that their "suggestions" should be ignored and they should find a more reasonable alternative.

Here are some alternatives:

Wait for the scrambler rifle to become the Cal Logis natural predator.
Stacking penalties on dropsuit modules
Switch the caldari Logis bonus with the assault/buff the Assaults in general
Limit the Caldari logi and ONLY the Caldari Logi to a sidearm, their shields can take getting into smg range.

Logis are already a huge SP sink, it takes 2 mil to get the most basic of any race. The other racial suits can barely touch the assaults, even the Amarr that is supposed to be a Logi with some Assault qualities. Don't make three+ roles completely unplayable.

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

Because they're better than assault suits are at their own job. That surely wasn't worth a million isk?

Because they're better than assault suits are at their own job. That surely wasn't worth a million isk?

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

Wow, and I honestly believed you would be good for the CPM. Can you explain how the minmatar or gallente suite are better assaults? The Minmatar is basically wet paper in front of anything and the gallente could at best be equipped with armor plates which would make them slow as all hell. The only one you could make a case for is the Amarr logi. However, the Amarr Logi was designed to be logistics with a side of assault. It still has less HP and pg than the Amarr assault. Not to mention they have one less equipment slot.

So please tell me who exactly is using the other three suits as assaults. Don't tell me you actually believe our only purpose as Logis are to be your butlers on the battlefield?

Are you complaining that people want a support class to be a support class?
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Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

This. ur bias is showing when you make this argument. u also lose credibility. logis now have their specialty as no other class gets more than 1 equip slot. there's no reason to go assault when logis will have more slots and equip than you. logis need less high and low than assaults of the same class. now those of you who want to stack damage & shield mods and use it like an uber assault wont like this but no reasonable person would argue it.

proto caldari logi should be 3/2 with 3 equip slots

This. ur bias is showing when you make this argument. u also lose credibility. logis now have their specialty as no other class gets more than 1 equip slot. there's no reason to go assault when logis will have more slots and equip than you. logis need less high and low than assaults of the same class. now those of you who want to stack damage & shield mods and use it like an uber assault wont like this but no reasonable person would argue it.

proto caldari logi should be 3/2 with 3 equip slots

This is a common misconception.

In FF both Black mage and Red mage can learn some healing spells, are they the support characters in that game? No, that would be White Mage. Can they be used for support? Yes.

In Legend Of Dragoon, Lavits and Albert can use a move that increases the teams defense, and Rose can learn a weak healing move. Are any of them support characters? No. Can they support the team? Yes.

Having some properties of a support character does not make the character a support character. Logis are not a support role just because they can carry more equipment than assault players.

You want to see a support class?
- Take the basic medium suits
- keep all stats, that includes speed and HP
- give it the slot layout of our current logi suits, that includes equipment
- Take their light weapon away and leave them with just a side arm, Amarr gets two side arms.

Currently every suit in the game is designed with killing as their primary role, logis are far too versatile to be mere babysitters.

That speaks to the weakness of the assault not the strength of the Logis. The logis work exactly as they should, they are versatile and doing many functions. It excels as a slayer because there isnt a better rock in place to keep the scissor in check.

Better movement, better racial bonus for assault(dmg and/or tanking bonuses) and a reduction/change of the caldari logi suit bonus is all thats really needed.

Fact is there simply isnt a stark enough difference between logi and assualt suits to deter logi suits as the primary suit. But to blankly say that the Logi suits across the board are the problem without looking at the whole balance of suits is as myopic as saying the TAC AR is OP in the current weapon balance(without considering the other weapons and their relation to it).

The assault suits need more mobility and better base heath(or reduction in caldari logi bonus) to make them a better slayer suit by comparison..

This. ur bias is showing when you make this argument. u also lose credibility. logis now have their specialty as no other class gets more than 1 equip slot. there's no reason to go assault when logis will have more slots and equip than you. logis need less high and low than assaults of the same class. now those of you who want to stack damage & shield mods and use it like an uber assault wont like this but no reasonable person would argue it.

proto caldari logi should be 3/2 with 3 equip slots

Black Mages in final fantasy traditionally never learned 'healing' spells unless you consider Drain Drainra Drainga a heal spell but drain doesnt really spread the gained hp elsewhere. Red mages (Red Velvet is a combination of vanillia and chocolate) are white and black mixed. So its natural they learn some heal spells from on of thier parents.

starting to think u have a problem understanding basic concepts.

your buff everything else argument fails hard. any programmer with half a brain knows you tweak as little as possible not only to save time but to not create issues elsewhere. caldari assault is fine, slayers arent having problems killing people. why exchange problems and create one there instead of solving them? this is a good protocol even if you arent a dev with a release 48 hours from now.

hold on are u really arguing that the tac ar is ok in its current form? never mind. wont debate with u second longer. u lack the brainpower to form basic arguments.

The caldari logi is the problem. Not the entire class. The Logis have always had more equip slots than the anyone but it was never a problem before. Again, just buff one of the assault suits with an equip slot, give them a damage boost, or just give the caldari logi a sidearm. No reason to carpet bomb the entire class.

starting to think u have a problem understanding basic concepts.

your buff everything else argument fails hard. any programmer with half a brain knows you tweak as little as possible not only to save time but to not create issues elsewhere. caldari assault is fine, slayers arent having problems killing people. why exchange problems and create one there instead of solving them? this is a good protocol even if you arent a dev with a release 48 hours from now.

hold on are u really arguing that the tac ar is ok in its current form? never mind. wont debate with u second longer. u lack the brainpower to form basic arguments.

And crap design is not fixed with nerfs. Your lazy halfassed approach does not fix the issue, Assault suits were not designed properly and only one Logi Suit is over powered. You going to tell me weapon reload is some important impactful bonus?

Black Mages in final fantasy traditionally never learned 'healing' spells unless you consider Drain Drainra Drainga a heal spell but drain doesnt really spread the gained hp elsewhere. Red mages (Red Velvet is a combination of vanillia and chocolate) are white and black mixed. So its natural they learn some heal spells from on of thier parents.