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Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.02 00:57:00 -
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FYI
what I am saying is that WE are spending SP at 10x for just a racial role bonus on a suit we can already wear. Why? If you think about it why would you split the suit and the bonus? Unless you wanted to just give us an SP sink.
Now if these suits were to have better stats and or bonus then I could see them as a tier 2 suit.
Note: discussion of actual bonuses is subjective and counter to the point I am trying to make |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
283
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Posted - 2013.05.02 01:14:00 -
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Khamelaya wrote:Cosgar wrote:Khamelaya wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Those role bonuses are hardly better than any passive skills and definitely not worth their SP cost.
As increments in ability increase linearly, so do they increase in cost increase exponentially. This is how everything in dust works. It is why the first 5% increase cost 6000 SP, but the 5th 5% increase costs 155,460.00. If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them. These are long term skills, they are not designed to be trained overnight. The longer you play and the more powerful your character becomes, the greater the value you gain out of those benefits and the more worthy of the cost. Spoken like a true prodigy. Congratulations, you have won the game. Well, there must be a lot of winners then. This is pretty basic fundamentals of game design. Casual gaming has spoiled the majority of us. Look at Activision |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
174
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Posted - 2013.05.02 01:46:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:I think you're wrong. CCP loves its players, and wouldn't screw us over like that.
You guys are all haters, your whole corp is dedicated to this $***. Get a life losers.
Also, you're hating on something not even out yet, relax.
Nerds. Obvious bait... Trolling scrub detected. It's ICY we just learn to ignore children vying for a seat at the grown-ups table. Wouldn't want to be like you under the table, sucking Imp d***.
Remind me again how you are a factor, oh wait you aren't. Now run along lil troll grown men talking here. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3780
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:11:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:It seems CCP is content to sell us SP, when we want them to sell us content.
I find this statement funny, 255 million skill points at current even boosted state is about... 10 years of boosters to max out 'current' content. Newer content would be likely nearly double that soon we still have another 80 suits to add and 30-40 vehicles and about 1200 more guns.
So... you want one skill to unlock everything? Why would proficiency in a plasma rifle, help you understand how a grenade launcher works? How does understanding how a speeder works makes you an expert at gunships? why would understanding squad command suit make you understand how to fly an MCC?
At least you're not paying 25$ for a new map, or 60$ for a new expansion.
Either way AUR prices are dropping, confirmed VIA IRC.
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1195
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise
Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3781
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:22:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits?
The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
1036
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:24:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:I think you're wrong. CCP loves its players, and wouldn't screw us over like that.
You guys are all haters, your whole corp is dedicated to this $***. Get a life losers.
Also, you're hating on something not even out yet, relax.
Nerds. Obvious bait... Trolling scrub detected. It's ICY we just learn to ignore children vying for a seat at the grown-ups table. Wouldn't want to be like you under the table, sucking Imp d***. Remind me again how you are a factor, oh wait you aren't. Now run along lil troll grown men talking here. And so the war shifts direction, from BSOTT upon PFBHz... |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
796
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:29:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:FYI
what I am saying is that WE are spending SP at 10x for just a racial role bonus on a suit we can already wear. Why? If you think about it why would you split the suit and the bonus? Unless you wanted to just give us an SP sink.
Now if these suits were to have better stats and or bonus then I could see them as a tier 2 suit.
Note: discussion of actual bonuses is subjective and counter to the point I am trying to make
My guess is that they are trying to seriously reduce the number of protobears.
They are especially trying to make it hard to skill well into everything.
I'm sure the number of people who artificially inflated their SP totals by guarding MCC had nothing to do with it. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
1109
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... you want one skill to unlock everything? Why would proficiency in a plasma rifle, help you understand how a grenade launcher works? How does understanding how a speeder works makes you an expert at gunships? why would understanding squad command suit make you understand how to fly an MCC?
Who argued this? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
285
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:32:00 -
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ITT: More first world problems. |
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Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
67
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:33:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Free Beers wrote:FYI
what I am saying is that WE are spending SP at 10x for just a racial role bonus on a suit we can already wear. Why? If you think about it why would you split the suit and the bonus? Unless you wanted to just give us an SP sink.
Now if these suits were to have better stats and or bonus then I could see them as a tier 2 suit.
Note: discussion of actual bonuses is subjective and counter to the point I am trying to make My guess is that they are trying to seriously reduce the number of protobears. They are especially trying to make it hard to skill well into everything. I'm sure the number of people who artificially inflated their SP totals by guarding MCC had nothing to do with it. You need more italics, bold and underlines in that last sentence so that people could understand the sarcasm.
Just letting you know... |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1341
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:34:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Kiso Okami wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:I think you're wrong. CCP loves its players, and wouldn't screw us over like that.
You guys are all haters, your whole corp is dedicated to this $***. Get a life losers.
Also, you're hating on something not even out yet, relax.
Nerds. Obvious bait... Trolling scrub detected. It's ICY we just learn to ignore children vying for a seat at the grown-ups table. Wouldn't want to be like you under the table, sucking Imp d***. Remind me again how you are a factor, oh wait you aren't. Now run along lil troll grown men talking here. You do realize you're the ISK bank for Internal error? Like a bunch of slave farmers. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1195
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped. Interesting...
But are the "basic" suits exactly like our current suits? I'm fine with suits costing more, because of the bonuses, but I see no point to the basic suits. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
285
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:36:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped. Interesting... But are the "basic" suits exactly like our current suits? I'm fine with suits costing more, because of the bonuses, but I see no point to the basic suits. Unspecified role to play around with until you decide on what role to fill. |
Piercing Serenity
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
278
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped.
You're piquing my competitive nature Iron. Now I want to fight a DEV team of Proto Assault suits vs. our (PFBHz) Slayers in basic suits to see what happens. |
Khamelaya
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:41:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits?
We haven't seen what the stats for Medium Basic dropsuits . So we don't know for sure. But for the Light frames, most of the same gear was listed under basic as was listed under Scout, just different names (light instead of scout)
So it is quite reasonable to guess that for all the assault/logistics dropsuits that are in the game now, there is an equivalent Medium Basic drop suit to match it. There is in fact no evidence to suggest that this is not the case. We know CCP changed the way dropsuits were organised. We know They have added a new collection of dropsuits with additional bonuses on top of what we have in the game now. We know that CCP has said that if could use it before Uprising, then you will be able to use it after uprising.
We have no reason to believe the dropsuits that we could use before will suddenly require an additional 3 million skill points. It's just paranoia. |
Khamelaya
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:44:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Khamelaya wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Khamelaya wrote: If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them.
I do if I want to skill into Assault or Logistics, or Scouts and Sentinels The prereq for that better not be something stupid like level 5 basic suits. What benefit does skilling in to assault or logistics give you over the basic suits? ... I'm not going to sit here and explain specialized roles to you. Look, if there was a "basic" logistics suit and a basic "assault" suit like there is now that costs the same amount of SP that our current suits cost, then I wouldn't give ****, but there aren't. There is just 1 basic medium suit with who knows what stats, and it's not the same as the suits we currently have like what you were claiming they are. So Beers is right, these are just SP sinks. Now then, I'm done with this, I have no interest in listening to you defend CCP. Edit: But maybe you should ask yourself "what benefit is there to introducing 'basic' suits?", aside from SP sinks
How do you know there are't? I'm saying the suits we have now are under the basic tab in uprising, they have been renamed to Medium, and they are equivalent to what we have now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3785
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:53:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... you want one skill to unlock everything? Why would proficiency in a plasma rifle, help you understand how a grenade launcher works? How does understanding how a speeder works makes you an expert at gunships? why would understanding squad command suit make you understand how to fly an MCC?
Who argued this?
Noc will/has, its the only way you can argue with an ultra bitter these days, he's well beyond my help and I don't see why he spends so much time here when he has more pressing issues to deal with in life. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3785
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:54:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped. You're piquing my competitive nature Iron. Now I want to fight a DEV team of Proto Assault suits vs. our (PFBHz) Slayers in basic suits to see what happens.
We all know dev's suck. BTW if I had to fight you guys it be in a gallente logi proto. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
288
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Posted - 2013.05.02 02:59:00 -
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Khamelaya wrote:How do you know there are't?I'm saying the suits we have now are under the basic tab in uprising, they have been renamed to Medium, and they are equivalent to what we have now. That makes two people that understand how things are going to work. But everyone is so busy wild mass guessing with a chip on their shoulder, you can't get through to anyone. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1195
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:04:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Khamelaya wrote:How do you know there are't?I'm saying the suits we have now are under the basic tab in uprising, they have been renamed to Medium, and they are equivalent to what we have now. That makes two people that understand how things are going to work. But everyone is so busy wild mass guessing with a chip on their shoulder, you can't get through to anyone. And you guys have proof that the "Basic" medium Minmatar suit is identical to the Logi suit we have? If Iron Wolf said it then I'd believe him, but anything from you two is just as much speculation as anything that I say. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1396
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:10:00 -
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IWS please stop posting in my threads because you make no ****** sense and derail an important issue. I don't need cpm trying to fanboi this issue |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3788
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:10:00 -
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Basic Mediums dont have 2 equipment slots, nor does any Assault suit have two equipment slots.
Logis I fear may be too good for generic combat though. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3788
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:12:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:IWS please stop posting in my threads because you make no ****** sense and derail an important issue. I don't need cpm trying to fanboi this issue
I feel that derailing trains of thoughts is a far more creative force in getting far better results. I don't want a parade of angry people with angry banners running down the street hopping onto the same band wagons. This screaming yelling and shouting over the horseless wagon gets nowhere fast in genera. I want people to approach the issue as their own and they pull their own wagons and the only thing in that wagon is what they put there.
You want to know what makes no effing sense? Denying the voice of anyone else because they disagree with you. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2732
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:IWS please stop posting in my threads because you make no ****** sense and derail an important issue. I don't need cpm trying to fanboi this issue I feel that derailing trains of thoughts is a far more creative force in getting far better results. I don't want a parade of angry people with angry banners running down the street hopping onto the same band wagons. This screaming yelling and shouting over the horseless wagon gets nowhere fast in genera. I want people to approach the issue as their own and they pull their own wagons and the only thing in that wagon is what they put there.
What if I put a tank in my wagon and it breaks my wagon?
Can I still keep the tank?
O.o
(To be on topic, just from what I've seen, I too fear that Logi's may be way too good right now >_<) |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
288
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
(To be on topic, just from what I've seen, I too fear that Logi's may be way too good right now >_<)
I think we deserve to be with how crappy our suits are starting out. The starting class comes with a SMG for crying out loud! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3788
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:19:00 -
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Yup but with not enough pieces on the board I couldn't analyze how well everything fitted together. Hopefully the couple million skill points everyone will have will resolve this and hopefully a good sampling and several hundred players I run across will give me a better picture.
Hey at least one consolation prize, all Proto weapons are black. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3788
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:IWS please stop posting in my threads because you make no ****** sense and derail an important issue. I don't need cpm trying to fanboi this issue I feel that derailing trains of thoughts is a far more creative force in getting far better results. I don't want a parade of angry people with angry banners running down the street hopping onto the same band wagons. This screaming yelling and shouting over the horseless wagon gets nowhere fast in genera. I want people to approach the issue as their own and they pull their own wagons and the only thing in that wagon is what they put there. What if I put a tank in my wagon and it breaks my wagon? Can I still keep the tank? O.o (To be on topic, just from what I've seen, I too fear that Logi's may be way too good right now >_<)
Sure bet, just saying that just because one person says something you shouldn't fully agree. Question everything. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
288
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:23:00 -
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Man, trolling this thread would be like shooting fish in a barrel... with an HMG |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3788
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:24:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Man, trolling this thread would be like shooting fish in a barrel... with an HMG
Or plasma shotgun shooting a field of melons! |
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