Cause it true bro.

You're mean. We're not friends anymore.

I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements:

1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier)
2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier)

You are right that the skills are more intensive, but they aren't as intensive as you make out.

Also, I don't think you comprehend what tiericide is. Tiericide is the removal of "this is better than that", not the addition. Dust has had tiers (standard, advanced, prototype) since the beginning. This related to items in game only, and not to skills. In fact, the skill tree is more like Eve in this situation (not an endorsement or a detraction of this methodology).

I'd also like to point out that CCP said a year ago that they were giving us an accelerated skill tree during the beta so we could test everything, and that that would be scaled back at release. You were either unaware of this, or chose to ignore. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you never saw this.

One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image.

You lot think your gonna hold PC districts(with 70 guys LOLOL), im pretty sure STB and the rest of the forum is not going to allow that.

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Your really have no clue about this do you ? You dont GRIND EVE thats the whole point of passive you idiot. Making money is non-factor when you get a certain point because its so easy.

You would probably know this if you even had the remote clue what your trying to argue about, or even remotely took an interest into the other factors of DUST, not point, shoot and troll.

Anyway im not even talking about the grind, its funny that YOU perceive it that way. The elite guys cant be arsed to put the time in then go play COD like all the other jumped up hormonal 15 year olds. I dont 'grind' I have fun, because i dont play with you cocky slime bags.

Im relevant because im the EU director for STB in its entirity, you know the corp who has smashed you lot on WP since inception of the stat tracking. Funny the imps didnt show up to that thread huh? Second on the leaderborads? Yeah thats us too.

You lot think your gonna hold PC districts(with 70 guys LOLOL), im pretty sure STB and the rest of the forum is not going to allow that.

LOL you quoting stats boards to me wow, you just revealed yourself as the largest tool in the room. Please come back to me when STB is actually a factor in the game. FYI here's a hint it never was and it really wont be.


OH and you dont grind EVE but you dont need SP sinks to create the illusion of new content.

Are people so conditioned to the old formula that MMO is year(s) of grind so they unlock content in digestable paces so the game can feel fresh and new each time without causing burn out.


Yea no,

Boarding parties(get your inner blackbeard on)
Space elevators
Dog fighting
Nullsec
Markets
Making your districts open world
All the added free expansions
The new vehicles, weapons and other items planned to be added down the pipe.

These are all the things that will keep the game fresh and keeping ppl coming back for more.

Artificially restraining them from using gear for no other reason than to create time sinks serves no purpose what so ever.

Give me one valid reason other than HTFU, welcome to MMO. They are not needed in a world that looks to maintain persistance through a world of action and consequence, new item content, and new ways for players to interact in the universe. These are all the time sinks and reasons a person needs to keep logging in. Fact is ppl want to grind for no other reason is that it gives them a sense of achievement in a game they would otherwise find no achievement in since they aren't good enough to make a difference in it.

I'll wait. Please defend blindly the old formula of MMO=Long grind to prevent bitter vets who no longer want to play the game because they reached every item in the game. Yea if all this game has is using items your point holds validity. Sorry Dust and New Eden offers way more than that. Perhaps if you could think outside the box and shake loose your conditioning and dogma you might actually realize that.

Ugh oh ive been found out, im so terribru, what will i think the random nobody from random nonfactor corp is calling me out for AFK.

Told you my back hurts from carrying you all, We AFK to let the noobs who were complaining about pubstomping them in feb-mar to get a chance to get batter, we do it cause we are showing everyone what happens when you promote communism you eliminate competitive drive(pick whichever one works for you)

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If you like to however get your corp to fight us in a 8v8 we are happy to leave our posts guarding the MCC.

Just message Gunner Nightingale in game or go to NF C.B. Logistics in game. Certainly you would relish the opportunity to put IMPS in their place in game, you've clearly failed to do it in the forums.

There is no 'grind' if you preceive it that way your in the wrong corp, end of story.

So your ok with frigates taking as long as capital ships to train , you will be one of the very very few

This game is moving slowly towards a completely passive learning curve like EVE. Look at a game like EVE, it had just broke 500,000 subscribers a few months ago, and that doesn't differentiate between those who use multiple accounts for alts. Games like CoD and BF3 has millions of players within the first 24 hours of release. This game isn't for the masses, its for the people who are addicted to the New Eden universe, like most of us.

I'm not an MMO guy, and I never have been an MMO guy because I am not looking for that sort of a time investment intensive gaming avenue. As such, the apparent SP requirement increases have been pretty uncomfortable for me. I wasn't even able to comfortably spec back into my Sever Logistics dropsuit when the new update released. I could have crammed myself into it, sure, but I would have been relatively impotent in every other facet of my skill spectrum.

For you "hardcore" or seasoned MMO veterans, you have to realize something very important; you guys are the maniacs in this game. You're the guys that are taking the game super seriously. You have a passion for it, a profound interest, you enjoy or are accustomed to the grind. You have to realize that you are a minority, which is not a bad thing, but that this is a novel departure from the standard FPS - but it is still an FPS. It has to have a certain level of accessibility, approachability, and it cannot afford to be too demanding of players if it wants to attract players at all in a highly saturated market.

If I boil down these negative sentiments of lazy players, people without MMO pedigrees, and bullet collecting noobs, the residue left behind may startle you; it's you trudging forward into servers full of the same few hundred people you've been shooting for months, because all that is left in Dust 514 are the maniacs, some die hard try hards, and the occasional tourist.


The new interface, skill system revisions, and skill trees, fortunately, seem to be evidence that CCP is making efforts to streamline what was previously a needlessly dense (and small-fonted) experience. I expect they'll probably continue revising skill costs - at least, I hope so - to optimize the relationship between the game's accessibility and methodically detailed material.

It was not my intention to suggest that the MMO crowd is populated by Cheetos-stained fat guys, I apologize if that is what you got from my post.


It is further not my intention to suggest that Cheetos-stained fat guys, whether they play MMOs immaterial, should be viewed in any negative light.

Edit: But maybe you should ask yourself "what benefit is there to introducing 'basic' suits?", aside from SP sinks

My favorite part other than the fact that I can't shoot anything is how I was able to wear two different proto suits before Uprising. Now I can't wear one at all. After months of :effort: I have only gone backwards. This is like getting to level 60 in World of Warcraft then when Burning Crusade came out, I had to start at level 40.

Real cute.