DUST Search - CCP we ask for content you give us SP Sinks

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

Free Beers wrote:

Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing?

Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar)

You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base.

I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for ***** sake give us real content not just **** to spend SP on.

I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements:

1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier)
2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier)

You are right that the skills are more intensive, but they aren't as intensive as you make out.

Also, I don't think you comprehend what tiericide is. Tiericide is the removal of "this is better than that", not the addition. Dust has had tiers (standard, advanced, prototype) since the beginning.

I'd also like to point out that CCP said a year ago that they were giving us an accelerated skill tree during the beta so we could test everything, and that that would be scaled back at release. You were either unaware of this, or chose to ignore. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you never saw this.

One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image.

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Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1381	Posted - 2013.05.01 21:56:00 - [1] - Quote Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing? Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar) You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base. I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for *** sake give us real content not just ** to spend SP on.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1104	Posted - 2013.05.01 21:59:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: [CCP] Cmdr Wang: Now here's a question that I'm sure that players will be interested in knowing is "How will this change affect our players?" [CCP] Praetorian: The effect is minimal. Quote: [CCP] Cmdr Wang: Okay... Well then, does this mean that, y'know, in the next build will we have different skill requirements for equipment? [CCP] Praetorian: Some of it, yeah, but we're ensuring that we tune the skill tree so that the difference isn't that great, it's not that [maybe "noticable"]. [CCP] Cmdr Wang: Okay. So, basically, I mean if I can already use an assault rifle, after the changes then it should be no problem for me to get back into it. [CCP] Praetorian: Absolutely. Merc Cast Episode 01
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1336	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote Too true. It had me excited at first until I realized they made the skills more specialized instead of general.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 945	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:08:00 - [4] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing? Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar) You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base. I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for *** sake give us real content not just ** to spend SP on. I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements: 1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier) 2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier) You are right that the skills are more intensive, but they aren't as intensive as you make out. Also, I don't think you comprehend what tiericide is. Tiericide is the removal of "this is better than that", not the addition. I'd also like to point out that CCP said a year ago that they were giving us an accelerated skill tree during the beta so we could test everything, and that that would be scaled back at release. You were either unaware of this, or chose to ignore. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you never saw this. One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2729	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:11:00 - [5] - Quote I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support....
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 946	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support.... Which scout suit are you looking at?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 497	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:12:00 - [7] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Free Beers wrote: Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing? Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar) You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base. I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for *** sake give us real content not just ** to spend SP on. I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements: 1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier) 2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier) It's 1. Dropsuit Command (1x multiplier) 2. Minmatar Medium Frame (unknown multiplier) 3. Minmatar Logistics (10x multiplier)
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1353	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:12:00 - [8] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Free Beers wrote: Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing? Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar) You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base. I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for *** sake give us real content not just ** to spend SP on. I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements: 1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier) 2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier) You are right that the skills are more intensive, but they aren't as intensive as you make out. Also, I don't think you comprehend what tiericide is. Tiericide is the removal of "this is better than that", not the addition. Dust has had tiers (standard, advanced, prototype) since the beginning. I'd also like to point out that CCP said a year ago that they were giving us an accelerated skill tree during the beta so we could test everything, and that that would be scaled back at release. You were either unaware of this, or chose to ignore. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you never saw this. One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image. He's talking about the new requirements to get into Prototype level gear, because it now also requires that you train another high-multiplier suit skill to V. I'd kind of like more info on this change as well. Given what was quoted, and I actually listened to that whole episode, this seems like an odd arrangement.
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1322	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:12:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support.... 1 high slot. Now what the f*** am I supposed to do. Armor tank?
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 172	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:13:00 - [10] - Quote Here is the source video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EgB6LXqk8RY oh and where is our blog with the full item sheet as was promised to us in that same merc cast. Yea gotta love this garbage. Inb4 the EVE neckbeard HTFU fanbois, oh thats why they give you passive SP and at least in DUST you can grind active. Grinds are stupid even more so when you are capped from doing it for an extended period of time so you can power through it and then just relax. Grinds are artificial time sinks. this game has a built in time sink the metagame, FW, and PC our actions create real consequences in the universe and to the other players that inhabit, that is all the "grind" i need to keep me logging back on. This is just unnecessarily dumb. IF you insist on going this route, create a booster that allows me to turn all my active SP into passive gain and when i do play actively play earn at a rate of 1WP=2-3 SP at a soft cap of 5-10K SP. (Its not p2w its pay to unlock things faster right?)

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1193	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:14:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: accelerated This is accelerated?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2729	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:15:00 - [12] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support.... Which scout suit are you looking at? Scout gk.0 (prototype)
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1255	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:16:00 - [13] - Quote Getting the full item sheet is vital I think. The more quickly you guys can get the item sheet the better the community can get to working with real numbers. The SP sink is a big issue as well.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1193	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:18:00 - [14] - Quote And here I thought 3X SP was them being generous
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:19:00 - [15] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Free Beers wrote: Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing? Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar) You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base. I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for *** sake give us real content not just ** to spend SP on. I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements: 1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier) 2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier) It's 1. Dropsuit Command (1x multiplier) 2. Minmatar Medium Frame (unknown multiplier) 3. Minmatar Logistics (10x multiplier) You're right - I was looking at the skill book, not the suit. Good catch. As I'm going through this video, I don't see a skill requirement screen for any of the suits. Can you tell me the time marker where you see this? Or did you see this somewhere else that I missed?
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 106	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:19:00 - [16] - Quote Hold the phone... AAAAAAAAAAAAAW HEEEEELL NO YOU DIDNT
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 167	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:20:00 - [17] - Quote While it is true there is more to skill up- it seems, as in eve, you get bonuses for each level. Like the The Minmatar scout gets +5% to melee AND nova knives as well as +5% dampening (i think) per level. So pretty cool anyways.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:21:00 - [18] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: accelerated This is accelerated? It was compared to what it will be after Uprising comes out, yes. Also, this "3x bonus" we are getting now used to be the standard. Accelerated.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 173	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:21:00 - [19] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image. And yet when Beers bashes stuff gets done, look at PC and how it was reworked after beers bashed CCP on it. You're welcome btw. See sooner or later ppl will get over the tags and realize that ppl in IMPS understand gamers especially FPS gamers and hardcore gamers alike. We understand them because we are them and we advocate fully for them cause we demand excellence from game devs. We wouldnt still be here if we didnt think CCP had the ability to achieve it, but sometimes they need a swift kick in the ass to remind them that not everyone thinks they can do no wrong and will simply accept their efforts as the true and proper way to achieve their vision. Oh we have to be doubly rude and abrasive because there are more than enough people willing to be politefully submissive and placate CCP at every turn (we call them fanbois) Being a critic means cutting through the bs and being blunt. Sorry if this "hurts feelings" to turn the phrase around HTFU.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1336	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:22:00 - [20] - Quote It seems CCP is content to sell us SP, when we want them to sell us content.

BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 216	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:22:00 - [21] - Quote you're telling me tank drivers have to skill into something tht makes them weaker.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 173	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:24:00 - [22] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: As I'm going through this video, I don't see a skill requirement screen for any of the suits. Can you tell me the time marker where you see this? Or did you see this somewhere else that I missed? 9:42
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:26:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support.... Which scout suit are you looking at? Scout gk.0 (prototype) I'm not sure if it starts at the right time, go to 14:10 if it doesn't start you there or near there Ick! That said, it does have 4 low slots... I'm thinking this is meant to have a low signature to get behind enemy lines. Wonder what the bonuses on it are, and if they are designed around infiltration of this nature.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 991	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:28:00 - [24] - Quote ffffffffffffffffffff 10x suit skills?
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:29:00 - [25] - Quote Double post deleted
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:30:00 - [26] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Getting the full item sheet is vital I think. The more quickly you guys can get the item sheet the better the community can get to working with real numbers. The SP sink is a big issue as well. This. As for the SP sink, I don't like it, but I don't think it's game breaking. As I said, it's more in line with what CCP has done with Eve. Just look at the requirements to get into the higher tech levels (here is the Muninn for example). The medium frame skill may only need to be 3, just like Spaceship Command is level 3 here (not to mention the other skills - engineering 5, mechanic 5, weapon upgrades 5, which CCP did eliminate for Dust stating they didn't like having multiple skill trees for one item). Assuming it is a level 5 requirement does nothing but rile up the community.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:32:00 - [27] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As I'm going through this video, I don't see a skill requirement screen for any of the suits. Can you tell me the time marker where you see this? Or did you see this somewhere else that I missed? 9:42 This shows the skill book not the suit; also it doesn't show the medium frame being required (as I mentioned before). Notice he navigated to the skill tree at this point in the video. EDIT: Check the prerequisites page; this is the defining page (or should be) not the layout of the skill tree.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 947	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:34:00 - [28] - Quote mollerz wrote: While it is true there is more to skill up- it seems, as in eve, you get bonuses for each level. Like the The Minmatar scout gets +5% to melee AND nova knives as well as +5% dampening (i think) per level. So pretty cool anyways. This is also a nice thing to offset the higher requirements - now you get bonuses based on these so it's not just about getting the SP to use something - higher skills make the lower level items better. I think many people are overlooking this which in my mind offsets the fact that you have to have more intensive skills to get into something to begin with. This means that when you get into a higher level suit, it is inherently better than the stats listed because you are getting additional bonuses for the skills (not just what the show info says).
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:39:00 - [29] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: you're telling me tank drivers have to skill into something tht makes them weaker. Are you sure you're not just misreading a skills effect?
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Unclaimed. 948	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:40:00 - [30] - Quote In summary, I think people here are over reacting from limited information instead of waiting to see what we are actually getting and how it impacts gameplay. I suspect you will find that your Type II assault suits are a bit better given the suit bonuses derived just from the requirements to field the Type II suit, not to mention the extra bonuses you get when you are working to the Type B or Type vk.1 suits. This means the higher tier will be more powerful in the long run, as will these suits. This adds a larger spread in effectiveness from the militia to the type I's to the type II's, etc. Remember the nerf that everyone hated about 6 months or so ago? They are giving us a buff.



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