You do not need basic frame to 5 to specialize into a role.

To use a Basic Logistics suit, you need level 1 in both. 3 for advanced, 5 for prototype.

The specialized suits are not the suits we have right now; our Caldari Assault is the equivalent of the Caldari Medium Dropsuit, not the Caldari Assault Dropsuit. The key difference being the two bonuses that the latter gets, not so much the suit stats.

I've had my PS3 since release, and I'm primarily a console gamer. Guess you were busy AFKing to do your research. I understand how the console market works, but do you understand how the MMO market works? Players are rewarded for the time they put in. You put in a little time, you get little back, you invest... well... you get the idea. Casual gaming is the cancer that's killing the entertainment media market as a whole. Trophies, easy mode, arcade style FPS... everything. Dust is something new and original, bringing an antipode of new and old concepts to create a pseudo 3rd concept. But instead of embracing the change, you want to dump all over it. Quite frankly, I don't know why casuals want to play this game. If you want instant gratification, go back to your mom's basement and rack up kills from spawn camping in CoD. If you want respect, in this game, earn it like everyone else. For a bunch of people playing games about shooting each other in the face
you "hardcore" FPS types are a whiny lot.

Also, keep in mind that this information was taken from the tournament build and CCP isn't above some good old fashioned trolling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=US92PR1tI1o

This is a FPS MMO, stop trying to make it a MMO FPS. And if youve owned an PS3 since launch you sir are an idiot and don't remotely pay attention to market trends if you did you'd know that this model of long term needless grind does nothing for the shooter enthusiasts. And there simply arent enough MMO enthusiasts on CONSOLE and the ones that are will be distracted by other more enjoyable and rewarding MMOs on CONSOLE if they arent playing MMO on PC.

I really dont have time waste arguing with you about my Hardcore credentials, but i actually hold down a job and game hard. Im successful in life and games, you mad bro? Id be if i were a neckbeard that thinks he knows how consoles should run.

Grinding like its a second job doesn't make you a hardcore gamer, it makes you an idiot who doesnt understand that time is money and efficiency trumps brute dedication. If you had any sense you'd understand the concept of work smarter not harder. Hardcore gamer is the one who will play for hours but wants to be able to make a difference in the game and are a factor in the game. They can kick ass in game for a few hours, log off, get some sun, have some fun, get laid and come back to their games for which they are willing to spend their money on.

Like i said gimme an option to pay to avoid the grind and ill pay it, because my time is valuable to me and i dont waste it funneled into a single hobby, IE tomorrow ill be hitting the golf course.

Passive SP may provide it at a base rate, but gimme an option to pay for my active gain to be converted to passive and let me grind it out all at once on a month to month and then earn an inflated soft cap for a "fee" because my time is valuable sorry you dont value yours, or you have nothing better to do with it.

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Yup, definitely whiny....

Yup definitely ignorant. Enjoy the bliss while your beloved perfectly developed game's population tanks out and ceases to hold numbers needed to host proper "matchmaking" (see a lot of that in MMO too right )

X10 is suppose to rare .... In eve only a few skills are that high, dust aims to have 24 of them just in dropsuits.

Thats a total of 124 million sp. That's 40 years alone . Ccp I've waited 6 years to play dust, eve since beta almost, but I refuse to play your game unless you bring the total sp amount to something reasonable like in eve.

You've made it so training all of the frigates of eve online took 40 years to train ! What were you thinking !

Not sure what math you are using but at max sp per week not counting after cap one can earn 27,955,200 sp per year so that's 4.4 years to gain 124 mil sp

Just out of curiosity what numbers and calculations are you guys going on?

And what is CCP going to tell people who've been using boosters now because they didn't know they'd gain more if they had saved them for a later date? You can't just double Sp gains or something like that. This 3x Sp event is one thing, making the change permanent would devalue every booster used up until this point.

Now that sounds like a money grab. Bare in mind that I haven't used a booster and therefore have no personal stake in the matter.

There's nothing to complain about. People who use boosters made the decision based on the information and status of the game available at that time. CCP has no obligation to keep the same SP system indefinitely. Besides, the gains you have received from using boosters will not go away.

I have used a few boosters and am fine with it.

As a vehicle driver i have to sink more SP into my proffession than any of you

Right now uprising looks like it may kill the whole vehicle route while it turns into AR514 and your complaining that it will be slighty harder for you to skill into

At least you have a role to skill into

Maybe they don't have legal obligation, but they have an obligation to be clear to their customers, something they suck at.

Pleas, don't give anyone ideas about another EULA/legal action topic.

You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around?

Why not? It gives me a chance to google laws I know nothing about!

Just out of curiosity what numbers and calculations are you guys going on?

Does that mean you'll finally be qutting Dust 514 and being the boil on this forum's ass?

Please IMPS Go away, we know your only here until the 'next cool game'. People who have actualy played CCP games for the last 10 years dont want you ruining the progression because you now cant afford your proto weapons and suits.

OMGAWD YOUR ALL IDDIOTS CANNY YOU SEE I CANT SPEC INTO EVERYTHING IN A YEAR OF AFK /QQQQQQ

Maybe if you spent less time warrioring on the forums rather than actually playing this game(Well afking anyway) then you would realise that its not in everyones best interest.

CCP clearly said we were on an accelerated skill tree for the beta, its nerfed for the greater good. CCP has the stats, game designers who have been doing the job aslong as your scrubby jobless self has been alive.

I trust their opinion alot more than some scrubby know-it-all-bum-licker of a corp.

At the end of the day this game isnt going to be around for 1-2 years, we are here for the long haul. If that isn't what you wanted from DUST then you have basically wasted your time!. LOL

Please IMPS Go away, we know your only here until the 'next cool game'. People who have actualy played CCP games for the last 10 years dont want you ruining the progression because you now cant afford your proto weapons and suits.

OMGAWD YOUR ALL IDDIOTS CANNY YOU SEE I CANT SPEC INTO EVERYTHING IN A YEAR OF AFK /QQQQQQ

Maybe if you spent less time warrioring on the forums rather than actually playing this game(Well afking anyway) then you would realise that its not in everyones best interest.

CCP clearly said we were on an accelerated skill tree for the beta, its nerfed for the greater good. CCP has the stats, game designers who have been doing the job aslong as your scrubby jobless self has been alive.

I trust their opinion alot more than some scrubby know-it-all-bum-licker of a corp.

At the end of the day this game isnt going to be around for 1-2 years, we are here for the long haul. If that isn't what you wanted from DUST then you have basically wasted your time!. LOL

Nah ill stick around to remind you how stupid you are and have zero indication on what you are talking about, while i proceed to take your stuff in game. Good luck trying to stop me you're too weak to put up a fight.

Then ill logon occasionally while i play another game more regularly to continually curbstomp you. Hope you didnt plan on doing anything in PC sorry you want be too successful there

So much for peace and quiet. At least I don't have to put up with your B/S in game since you're so busy guarding that MCC. If you weren't so easy to troll, I wouldn't even be responding to you. Were you born with your jimmies rustled, or did it just happen over time?

Who being trolled, im rather enjoying reading you argue like an idiot who gleefully defends the desire to spend years developing a virtual character to obtain some sense of "pride" in the "achievement" Perhaps if you could get some sex things done to you, youd actually see things my way. But generally a prerequisite to that is hygiene and being able to see your willy.

Yeah, paint that neckbeard image on me. Throw in those personal attacks. Typical IMP fashion. If you spent as much time playing as you do trying to be an e-thug, maybe you wouldn't worry about grinding for SP to get better tech. You such a badass you could do it using militia, right?

Remind me how you are still relevant to this game? Really when will the carebears learn to listen to the voice of GAWD.

Oh the long haul you fool can be achieved without mindless grind, or do i need to redirect you to my post about efficiency and time is money. Perhaps if you "hardcore" MMO had a life outside your video games you'd note there is a big world out there to enjoy. I dont want nor should any sensible human being to feel the need to grind to progress and therefore keep up with anyone who wants to just live their life in this game.

Persistance, action and consequence, player driven content and the free expansions is what keeps this game going past 1-2 years. Or are all you "geniuses" admitting that beyond grinding this game to CAP there is nothing left to do in this game? Didn't think so. Feel free to STFU since your only reason to defend a grind is because your only sense of achievement in this game comes from unlcoking new stuff. Mine comes from winning and taking your stuff. Sorry you don't know what that feeling is like . But hey maybe one day we will "retire" and you will get your chance

I have deleted some personal attacks from this thread.

scrubby know-it-all-bum-licker of a corp.