DUST Search - CCP we ask for content you give us SP Sinks

Sloth9230 wrote:

Khamelaya wrote:

Sloth9230 wrote:

Khamelaya wrote:

If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them.

I do if I want to skill into Assault or Logistics, or Scouts and Sentinels Roll

The prereq for that better not be something stupid like level 5 basic suits.

What benefit does skilling in to assault or logistics give you over the basic suits?

... I'm not going to sit here and explain specialized roles to you.

Look, if there was a "basic" logistics suit and a basic "assault" suit like there is now that costs the same amount of SP that our current suits cost, then I wouldn't give ****, but there aren't. There is just 1 basic medium suit with who knows what stats, and it's not the same as the suits we currently have like what you were claiming they are. So Beers is right, these are just SP sinks.

Now then, I'm done with this, I have no interest in listening to you defend CCP.

Edit: But maybe you should ask yourself "what benefit is there to introducing 'basic' suits?", aside from SP sinks Roll


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Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote From what I can see from the video. To run a prototype dropsuit like the one you have now will still take the same amount of training. The drop suits we have now are not role based, just frames. Those appear to be turning in to the basic drop suits. See how under Light, it has Basic and Scout. Under Medium it has Basic, Assault and Logistic. To use a gallant basic light dropsuit would require Dropsuit Command 1 Gallente Light Dropsuits V So to use the exact same dropsuit you have access to know, requires the exact same amount of skills. (Assuming that Gallente Light Dropsuits V is x8 much like skill previously required.) Then to use the Gallente Scout Dropsuit, which has additional role bonuses, you will need to train an additional skill: Gallente Scout Dropsuits To level 5 to use prototypes. They have't taken anything away, just given us more gear and better gear than we have currently. The new better gear will require new skills to be trained, but since that gear doesn't exist now, you're not loosing anything.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.01 23:05:00 - [2] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Wrong. There are no Basic Logistics suits. All the Medium Frame Basic suits looks to be Assault. Correct. But they told us that ages ago. Go back and listen to the first merc cast again. They said that they are altering they way they divided up the dropsuit categories. Rather than have 4 types, they would now have 3 types based on the size of the frame. That way they can add additional subtypes down the line as needed. So we already new that logistics and assault were becoming subclasses of a generic medium class. But since the assault and logistics suits that are in the game now do not have any suit or role bonuses, the suits in the game now becoming the basic suits in uprising fits perfectly. So you'll still be able to use an equivalent suit to what you have now for the same skill point investment. It will just be called a Minmatar Medium Basic or Caldari Medium Basic. Will they have the same stats and slot layout? Probably not, but again we new they were going to be rebalancing those.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.01 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Also noticed that there are prototype versions of the basic suits - I'm guessing the skill requirements for these are lower than the specialized suits. Upside people - more suits, more roles, more bonuses. Specialized suits take more SP; what we have now doesn't. Win-win. The basic suits are what we have now. The basic prototype versions are the prototype versions we have now and require the same skill point investment.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.01 23:14:00 - [4] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: It seems CCP is content to sell us SP, but I want it all for free...handed to me on a silver platter...and a pony Fixed that for you...
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 00:21:00 - [5] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Before I get a "noc" warning and can't post for the next month because ccp doesn't like being called out let me say this: I have much love for Dust514 and I will not hesitate to call ccp out when it needs to be done. Also for you nerds saying they are new suits. Please refer to our current winmatar logi proto stats then compare them to the video at the 16:29 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EgB6LXqk8RY They are the same exact suits PS I love how people hate me more then they hate ccp for jacking up suits costs and lying about it. No they aren't the same. Because they require an extra level of skill to use. And part of that skill endows frame and role bonuses on those drop suits. In your video link, go to 13:26. It shows the both the basic and scout dropsuits. The basic suits have no role bonuses (much like the gear we have now). While the video doesn't show the basic gear for the other frame sizes, it's not hard to guess what my be listed there.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 00:26:00 - [6] - Quote Khamelaya wrote: Fixed that for you... This strawman was weak, though, and pretty much caused me to lose all the respect the post I quoted first built up.[/quote] I figured the original straw man comment deserved a straw man answer in kind.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 00:32:00 - [7] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Those role bonuses are hardly better than any passive skills and definitely not worth their SP cost. As increments in ability increase linearly, so do they increase in cost increase exponentially. This is how everything in dust works. It is why the first 5% increase cost 6000 SP, but the 5th 5% increase costs 155,460.00. If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them. These are long term skills, they are not designed to be trained overnight. The longer you play and the more powerful your character becomes, the greater the value you gain out of those benefits and the more worthy of the cost.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 00:48:00 - [8] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Khamelaya wrote: If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them. I do if I want to skill into Assault or Logistics, or Scouts and Sentinels The prereq for that better not be something stupid like level 5 basic suits. What benefit does skilling in to assault or logistics give you over the basic suits?
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 00:50:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Khamelaya wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Those role bonuses are hardly better than any passive skills and definitely not worth their SP cost. As increments in ability increase linearly, so do they increase in cost increase exponentially. This is how everything in dust works. It is why the first 5% increase cost 6000 SP, but the 5th 5% increase costs 155,460.00. If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them. These are long term skills, they are not designed to be trained overnight. The longer you play and the more powerful your character becomes, the greater the value you gain out of those benefits and the more worthy of the cost. Spoken like a true prodigy. Congratulations, you have won the game. Well, there must be a lot of winners then. This is pretty basic fundamentals of game design.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 02:41:00 - [10] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs. Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? We haven't seen what the stats for Medium Basic dropsuits . So we don't know for sure. But for the Light frames, most of the same gear was listed under basic as was listed under Scout, just different names (light instead of scout) So it is quite reasonable to guess that for all the assault/logistics dropsuits that are in the game now, there is an equivalent Medium Basic drop suit to match it. There is in fact no evidence to suggest that this is not the case. We know CCP changed the way dropsuits were organised. We know They have added a new collection of dropsuits with additional bonuses on top of what we have in the game now. We know that CCP has said that if could use it before Uprising, then you will be able to use it after uprising. We have no reason to believe the dropsuits that we could use before will suddenly require an additional 3 million skill points. It's just paranoia.

Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 02:44:00 - [11] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Khamelaya wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Khamelaya wrote: If you don't think the role bonuses are worth anything, then you're a lucky lucky dust bunny. You don't need to train them. I do if I want to skill into Assault or Logistics, or Scouts and Sentinels The prereq for that better not be something stupid like level 5 basic suits. What benefit does skilling in to assault or logistics give you over the basic suits? ... I'm not going to sit here and explain specialized roles to you. Look, if there was a "basic" logistics suit and a basic "assault" suit like there is now that costs the same amount of SP that our current suits cost, then I wouldn't give ****, but there aren't. There is just 1 basic medium suit with who knows what stats, and it's not the same as the suits we currently have like what you were claiming they are. So Beers is right, these are just SP sinks. Now then, I'm done with this, I have no interest in listening to you defend CCP. Edit: But maybe you should ask yourself "what benefit is there to introducing 'basic' suits?", aside from SP sinks How do you know there are't? I'm saying the suits we have now are under the basic tab in uprising, they have been renamed to Medium, and they are equivalent to what we have now.
Khamelaya The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.02 03:48:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Basic Mediums dont have 2 equipment slots, nor does any Assault suit have two equipment slots. Logis I fear may be too good for generic combat though. Where did you get the info on slot layouts for the medium suits? More generally, having the x10 lvl 5 requirement for the new suit subtypes is not going to change the number of prototype suits out there. We know that there are prototype light suits that have the same requirements as the current scout suits.