CORPS PLAYERS? Can you correct the spelling mistakes in your post? Are you insinuating that you are "The Core" of the game or that you some how represent them?
I still recommend this game to my friends, and 90% of them have loved it. There have been a few that like the easiness of the COD genre, but this game offered something new, and they were hooked.

You may represent in portion the top competitive side, or the top forum warrior side, but as statistics show, most players don't log into a forum. Dust hasn't failed, you're simply being a cry baby. You know where the door is, go there. Don't waste any more time on a game you don't want to play.

TLDR : The guy I quoted is wrong. Yup.

Oh look, you can form paragraphs about things that are related to competitive play.


Just because you understand something does not mean you're good at executing such things.

Impswarm
scum bucket.
Random with a kewl shirt button.


You're nothing.

Do you know, or can you share with us, what problem this solved? I don't remember anybody complaining about assault suits having 2 equipment slots.

I couldnt agree more, too bad CPM consists of all one type of player. EVE centric MMO, the metagame is everything have no idea how to develop a shooter, everything CCP is doing is spot on because they created EVE and EVE is amazing sycophants. But im not interested in getting in a flame war with you, this issue has more important consequence.

But it seems the MMO hardcore are convinced this model will work for an FPS.


There is a difference between MMO grind to force speciality where role diversity is essential to forming effective parties to handle situations that occur in MMO and for zerg diversity.

IN FPS you kill or you support its really that simple

Killers are assaults and to an minor extent Heavy and Tanks

Everything else is a subdivision of support.

However only Assault and Logi are the main divisions that is really needed for competitive play. Everything else is purely situtaional. Purely situational means limited utility. Limited utility mean less people will want to use it if they want to play.

Because there are only a limited number of slots to play a side.

This game is a long way off from player sizes that will allow for SSR(situational support roles to be useful running full time in match).

How many ppl did you see playing Dropship continuously the entire match during the tourney final? How about tank I saw one and it was of limited use, if the oher team had a clue it would have been lol pwned.

So yea keep creating artificial time sinks by expanding the grind and tell yourself it will work as intended.

I figured this was bound to happen. We all got spoiled with our fast to learn skills that overlapped with lesser requirements for the past few months. Now that the actual skill tree has been realized, it turned into a giant butthurt fest. Of course the actual game was going to be a grind. Did you think we were going to be able to spec into prototype this, that, and proficiency lvl 5 of that on day one? What would the point be of playing. The way I see it, it's the journey, not the destination. But instead, I see a flood of tears QQing about how much SP things cost when stuff like light weapon sharpshooter are going to be gone and heavies won't be slow moving easy kills, and the Nova Knife looks usable now. It's a MMO, it's supposed to be a grind. We all still have a head start on new players, better make the most out of it. I know I will.

*Has played enough shooters to hate all of them in one way or another. There has never been a perfect shooter EVER.

As for the diversity issue I am quite sure there is going to massive complaints about one race's suits being much better than the others. You can call it a grind all you want, but you don't have to spend that SP to get good, nobody is forcing you, if medium frames are your thing go for it.

This is honestly the most mature and well thought out post in this thread. Props to you. Tis game is supposed to be an MMO FPS right? One that will be tied to EVE.... that means that players will need to play this for a long time... This is actually what I'd hoped CCP would do so that we dont see huge swarms of proto level players day one.

As Cosgar said its the journey not the destination. I'll make the fullest out of my journey.

The fundamental point I do agree with is that a SINGLE proto-suite and weapon / build with minimal "buffing" skills should take no longer than two months, if that to obtain.

Either change the equation; more SP, no SP cap (what I prefer this welfare cap is stupid), or less sp for some skills, less pre-reqs, whatever, just make the basic philosophy match the expectations of the players.

It shouldn't take 6mos to be useful in a single specialty....

I'm not as judgmental and knee jerk as Charolotte is being, (I'm still your friend though) but he's right. CCP has been slowly appealing to the twitch arcade FPS crowd. Look at how bad the CoDex build has been. People praying and spraying from outside their weapon's effective range with damage mod stacked Duvolles while wearing shield tanked glass cannon black suits, heavies being nerfed to near uselessness, marauder tanks being taken out by militia swarms; this build is a joke compared to what Dust used to be.
I'm hoping this stuff does get fixed in uprising, but if things keep going in the twitch direction, I'm throwing in the towel too.

I agree that CCP has made some often silly choices in regards to mechanics and layouts, and maps.. and core FPS issues, and quite a few other things. But they are trying, and the game is improving. It might not be the quickest work ever, but they are trying to make it better and knee jerk posts like his serve only to make the situation worse.
Now, you listed out specific reasons for your opinion, and specific things that were wrong. Those posts I respect. You aren't crying as much as you are trying to improve the game. Sorry if I came across harsh, I see posts like that all the time and I just now took the initiative to actually log into these forums.

6 months is kind of generous, there's ships in EVE that take over a year to get into.

Also, relax a bit. There's something more important you're overlooking here. Specializing is going to make you the best, but your skill and experience is going to make that specializing worthwhile. Learn how to use things as you skill up, find out what's good, what sucks, and what's going to fit your playstyle. Once you do get to that proto, you're going to have a full appreciation of it than you did if you could get to it from the start.

DUST =\= EVE how hard a concept is this. Nobody wants to spend year mastering a class in an FPS. How does that mean we seek instant gratification?

Sorry are you suggesting that maxing a character in an MMO grinding skill progression that gives no real reward for the grind other than a lousy racial pasive is somehow MMO?

Better yet unlike EVE a new DUST character simply wont be able to specialize and be immediately useful why? These are not limitless shards where you can create large fleetcomps(raiding paries whatever term you like). When you can do that then a new player can specialize into something, be weaker than the most of the team and still provide utility.

When you have a lobby shooter of fixed number each slot becomes vital and utility is the only factor. New players will simply find themselves riding the bench and barely getting any time play time in corps that are competing at the highest levels. Please keep that in mind before you make the it works in EVE argument. Thanks.


As for how to fix it. one of these

1. Reduce the grind. Make the speciality roles easier to spec into while making the assualt/logi roles the larger SP sink. After all medium frames give me 2 suits for the price of one light or sentinel class.

2. Get rid of the gap and let ppl power grind actively. Or pay for a subscrption/booster(better option since it can be later traded on market) that allows for all active gain to be converted to passive gain should ppl just want to not grind and earn SP.

3. Make the tier difference meaningful and undo all the gear flattening that occured over the course of the beta and really make the grind meaningful by obtaining tangibly better gear

1 high slot. Now what the f*** am I supposed to do. Armor tank?

Awwww, is this your first MMO? You're so demanding and in need of instant gratification. Allow me to respond on CCP's behalf with this rebuttal to your requests.

speed tank
profile dampeners
stealth

sneak behind lines with tons of hacking modules
i hate that Armour tanking vs shield tanking
shield has more benefits than Armour

(in eve Armour penalty is speed and shields is signature radius)
i don't see a sig radius penalty in dust

profile dampeners
stealth

TL;DR

Let me guess you bought PS3 for Dust right? Actually if memory serves correct you did, also your necbeard is glorious and doubles as a necktie if i recall our previous encounter.

So enjoy yet another empty space dark room with no light and no friends, now DUST for you is truly real.

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Cute seen the HTFU song quite a bit(it's catchy and what i like about CCP they are cool people at the core). Let me teach you how console FPS works players get tired of needless empty grind they move on. Your player count drops you can't get match servers to populate (you might notice it if you had any sense of how the games connection has been due to player dropoff instead of fapping to spreadsheets and letting the secretions crust in your neckbeard).

Played plenty of MMO guess what the grind had meaning in all of them. They dont in this game. But yup keep telling yourself the model will work on console cause we are getting older and dont mind the grind.

Sorry consolers even the hardcore game on consoles to unwind, relax and destress. Not grind to develop some aberrant connection to their avatar out of some misplaced lack of real human connection thats filled by the gap of a virtual imagined character.

They wont stick around and will simply move on. Thats already happening and this system will only make it worse, and unlike EVE which is a single shard server that can run with 40K active because its open world. This is FPS in a lobby, matchmaking fails when the numbers get too low and by CCP own account when matches cant be found in your region they place you in other regions and with server side hit detection match integrity begins to wane when that happens FPS players will just leave.

Not even titans have the training time of the new dropsuits. You could max out every factional Titan 20 times over while getting all of four dust suits.

If the numbers on this equate out right then I definitely agree that it is a problem. I've been playing Eve for about 6 years now, and I have all cruisers, all frigs, basically every weapon system and most ships in the game, minus titans. Point being, that Dust being an FPS, should be faster to train into these things, and much more simple to operate in. I would be fine training a month to get Titan 3 or 4 in eve. I would not be fine training a month to get a new drop suit.

However, my recent petition with Dust about the SP cap said they would be removing it Soon(TM) and that may very well be a reason for the higher SP requirements.

Iron Wolf: I honestly don't care about the "advanced" suit costs, they can stay 10X for all I care. but what justifies the existence of the "basic" suits? They honestly seem pointless, aside from being something we have to spend SP on.

Also, do you need the "basic frame" skill to level 5 before you can specialize into a role?