I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

Everything is getting equally reduced basically, this means HP and defense are getting a buff...

Tanks didn't use either of those skills.

That also means they weren't necessary skills, they were just really good for infantry. Are they taking out the skill that gives 2% turret damage too?

Tanks didn't use either of those skills.

That also means they weren't necessary skills, they were just really good for infantry. Are they taking out the skill that gives 2% turret damage too?

I think it was pretty obvious to anyone actually paying attention that sharpshooter was completely broken, we just didn't expect CCP to actually do anything about it.

Removing it is, by far, the best improvement they could have made for balance/gun game. I seriously applaud CCP for having the balls to remove it in order to improve the game, even though they surely knew that many of the people using SS as a crutch would be upset.

Everything is getting equally reduced basically, this means HP and defense are getting a buff...

I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

Vehicles skills are completely redone, only the people who've played it know how the changes are done.

What i mean more precisely while a STD AR was well balanced against a STD HMG in terms of range, dmg etc once you started adding in SS and DMG that balance started move closer to the HMG in terms of range.

Nailed it. Sharpshooter on an AR completely took over the other roles of guns, and made the Laser ridiculously OP. It contributed to the snipers up there, and also made the HMG somewhat OP.

i guess ccp was scared about us beasts who use SS to its full potential and basically just owned the field. but when i saw that picture of line harvest skirmish and you cant even shot from C to the cru now that was a BS nerf.

It's not a nerf, wow. See now they can change the range of each gun without worring about how the range bonus might effect it.

This is a good thing. If a gun's range is too short now they can buff it without that only helping new players and overpowering high level sp players.

It's better and as we move towards release get ready for how different this BETA is going to become. Don't get attached to anything like this is a released ame. Even on may 14th, it won't be finished. The core is still half finished.

The mechanics for zero-G gravity aren't even in the game yet for crying out loud! And soon we will build our guns anyway we want. IT's hy the SMG, mass driver, minmatar sniper, and all minmatar hand weapons have the pistol in the middle

HMG and Shotgun
2 guns that should fit a certain role and range are made kinda stupid thanks to sharpshooter

Everyone may love the sharpshooter skill, but it's such a basic necessity of the game mechanics that you can't make a skill out of it.

It's pretty much a waste of SP to have a game mechanic be locked in.

So it's OP, and has been removed. Thankfully in my opinion.


Passive damage is also similar, and trust me this will make it better.

With no sharpshooter, specing into different weapon roles will make more sense based on the situation and battlefield scenario. I am an AR user first and foremost, and I admit sharpshooter pretty much enables me to hit virtually anything I can see. Not always effectively mind you due to kick, dispersion and reduced damage, but the reach is there. With sharpshooter gone, I won't have that reach anymore and may have to choose a LR instead to deal with a medium-long distant enemy effectively.

The thing is, HMG's and shotguns may end up being more effective in the overall big picture, because all players will have to get closer in to do ideal damage with their weapons, which means we all need to get closer to a shotgunner or HMG user to get in our effective ranges. Not sure how affected snipers will be, but they will have to get in closer too, which would be worse for them and better for everybody else, same goes for a LR user.

But will be interesting to see how it unfolds, as having every weapon class (or sub-class of a weapon) locked into a range could be a really good balancing feature... or it could end up unbalancing a lot of things and make gunplay worse.

yup gotta cater to the new players, its fine and all but its just a lazy way to fix the game they should of had done that these past months now all of us who got used to sharpshooter have to re adjust our gameplay again for the sake of others.

So, many people are for the SS skill removal. Shooting people at distances was something that was actually fun in the game. They remove handheld passive damage skills but keep the passive damage skills for turrets? where is the balance in that?

HMGs need the SS range....it's really one of the skills that helps keep them alive. Man, I'm not even going to bother...I hope they just nerf everything and remove everything that helps the game's fun factor. This community is hard to understand sometimes.

So, many people are for the SS skill removal. Shooting people at distances was something that was actually fun in the game. They remove handheld passive damage skills but keep the passive damage skills for turrets? where is the balance in that?

HMGs need the SS range....it's really one of the skills that helps keep them alive. Man, I'm not even going to bother...I hope they just nerf everything and remove everything that helps the game's fun factor. This community is hard to understand sometimes.

I think it was pretty obvious to anyone actually paying attention that sharpshooter was completely broken, we just didn't expect CCP to actually do anything about it.

Removing it is, by far, the best improvement they could have made for balance/gun game. I seriously applaud CCP for having the balls to remove it in order to improve the game, even though they surely knew that many of the people using SS as a crutch would be upset.

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

Shut up, your argument is invalid.

Ontopic: I feel its a rework on the ranges overall, instead of a nerf IMO.

not one CPM comment, not believing a word of this thread till i see a nova or ironwolf comment

Vocal minorities are strong. They have more impacts becuase happy people don't complain, and only like 3% of the playerbase ever visited the forums. It's true. So mostly people come to *****.

Here is a game designer viewpoint. Not a Dev mind you, just a software guy.

First, let's look at what SS did. It added 5% per level for all light weapons. When proficiency is included that means the basic number is 40% more distance. However, the way EVE and DUST, as far as I can tell, works is that each bonus is multiplied one right after the other. That means the actual range is 27.6% at lvl 5 SS and 48% for lvl 5 Proficiency.

Now, image what you are doing is designing a ten year game. At least first few years will be building up the basic functionality of the character. So you include the Sharp Shooter Skill to adjust ranged based on how much benefit vs SP the players are willing to spend.

To get the balance right just enable SS for Light Weapons, Heavy Weapons and Sidearms. The Beta testers will get the benefit of the entire range. But that is not how you would want the Skill to actually work in the Release.

Each specific Weapon needs SP to be spent on it. Why? Because that is how EVE works and it requires the Most SP to be spent. Which means the player needs to be connected to DUST for longer to get those benefits for multiple weapons. Each weapon has specifics that will need to be addressed. That is very consistent with splitting Vehicles vs Drop Suits Skills. Doing that requires More SP to used, which means more SP will need to be generated, which means more AUR for more Boosters. Life is good.

Now we are getting two things Real Soon Now. First is May 6th, Uprising. That is a major update to the game. May 14th is something else. More maps, guns and might even be called a Release. It doesn't really matter. What does matter is that it will no longer be called Beta and new players will expect a more complete game. However, they will not come into the game with the preconceived ideas from the Beta testers regarding certain Skills. Because they are all gone and everything is new.

We no longer are going to be used to find bugs, test how fast SP should be generated per day/week/whatever and we won't be having the special bonuses we got because we were here first. We will have the SP advantage but a lot of it will be mitigated as the Sharpshooter Skill is evidence of. I wouldn't be surprise if everything costs more SP in the long run. We get to wade through the New Skill Tree and find a new balance for our character. Skilling LW SS to lvl 5 will not increase the range for multiple weapons. We will have to make the decision regard Which Specific Weapon we want to improve. Just like the Newest of the New Berries.

It's a new game.

That still wouldn't fix the lazoooor rifle problem...

if HMG gets a skill that reduces spread that makes them more deadly in their desired range
shotguns with sharpshooter is just dumb and needed to change

IMO if SS is indeed gone then a slight tweak to each weapon base range is in order

Ppl also forget that the current gallente AR is plasma based which is technically suppose to be short-mid range if u goin by EVE
The Caldari rail rifle would be your long range gun

Is passive dmg for turrets there or just an assumption?

Ever use a LR with 0 SP into SS?

That still wouldn't fix the lazoooor rifle problem...

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

The nova knives are going to be the hardest hit by this nerf. They lost 3-5 inches off of their blades, that is the difference between penetrating a heavies armor or not.

Here is a game designer viewpoint. Not a Dev mind you, just a software guy.

First, let's look at what SS did. It added 5% per level for all light weapons. When proficiency is included that means the basic number is 40% more distance. However, the way EVE and DUST, as far as I can tell, works is that each bonus is multiplied one right after the other. That means the actual range is 27.6% at lvl 5 SS and 48% for lvl 5 Proficiency.

Now, image what you are doing is designing a ten year game. At least first few years will be building up the basic functionality of the character. So you include the Sharp Shooter Skill to adjust ranged based on how much benefit vs SP the players are willing to spend.

To get the balance right just enable SS for Light Weapons, Heavy Weapons and Sidearms. The Beta testers will get the benefit of the entire range. But that is not how you would want the Skill to actually work in the Release.

Each specific Weapon needs SP to be spent on it. Why? Because that is how EVE works and it requires the Most SP to be spent. Which means the player needs to be connected to DUST for longer to get those benefits for multiple weapons. Each weapon has specifics that will need to be addressed. That is very consistent with splitting Vehicles vs Drop Suits Skills. Doing that requires More SP to used, which means more SP will need to be generated, which means more AUR for more Boosters. Life is good.

Now we are getting two things Real Soon Now. First is May 6th, Uprising. That is a major update to the game. May 14th is something else. More maps, guns and might even be called a Release. It doesn't really matter. What does matter is that it will no longer be called Beta and new players will expect a more complete game. However, they will not come into the game with the preconceived ideas from the Beta testers regarding certain Skills. Because they are all gone and everything is new.

We no longer are going to be used to find bugs, test how fast SP should be generated per day/week/whatever and we won't be having the special bonuses we got because we were here first. We will have the SP advantage but a lot of it will be mitigated as the Sharpshooter Skill is evidence of. I wouldn't be surprise if everything costs more SP in the long run. We get to wade through the New Skill Tree and find a new balance for our character. Skilling LW SS to lvl 5 will not increase the range for multiple weapons. We will have to make the decision regard Which Specific Weapon we want to improve. Just like the Newest of the New Berries.

It's a new game.

I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

That's what she said

Weapons in this game that absoulutely need to have our Current Sharpshooter brought back specifically for them~

- Forge Gun
- Swarm launcher

That is all.

Shotguns were effective in mid short range

I asked for a sharpshooter nerf.

Are you clowns serious?

You think bullets actually being able to reach the other side of a street is OP? Wow.

I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

BETA

Why did you never listen!!!??!?!?!??!??!?!?!

They arne't listening to you, they are using us to test while they produce the game. They have been listening to us, but balance changes are not going to happen until the game is more fleshed out. Everything is up for change. Nothing is being nerfed or buffed. Dropsuits started at x2 skill, then went x16, then x8 and now are x6. No one had to ask about that they are building the game and letting us play it while it's unfinished.

Sharpshooter broke the game? Really?

1 Meter = 3.2 Feet
Average Street = 11 Feet Wide

100 meters (Assault Rifle can fire beyond this with lethal results) = 320 feet.

Try firing across 29 streets and that's generally what's going on.

Edit: And before we get any bull**** arguments comparing it to real life examples of military assault rifles, please - for the love of god - remember a few points: This is a game, this rifle is shooting PLASMA, those rifles have recoil (something the Dust 514 assault rifle doesn't have at level 5 Operation) and when tested at those ranges they're generally not dishing out 12.5 rounds per second.

It's sad that it comes to this.

I loved what sharpshooter added to the game. Loved having to distract or flank Lasers. Loved getting surprised by the range on Icy Tiger's Ishukone smg. Didn't love getting my 900+ hp heavy one-shotted by shotguns, but that's a dispersion problem in my books.

It removes a variable from the game and makes it simpler. Currently if you see a laser or AR looking at you and you need to cross open ground, a little testing is called for. Run out, check his tracers, check his damage, then make the sprint/flank decision.

Without sharpshooter, once we get the ranges of the weapons dialed in, it becomes a trivial process of estimation.

I'd like to see a better solution.

Weapon range should be fixed to the weapon.

It is nonsense that a skill could somehow make your range increase.

The bigger issue is if they have balanced the weapons correctly.

Without reading this entire thread...

Sharpshooter had to go. Gave players the most obvious advantage that you could get with the old skill system. But never really made sense.

"I am so good at shooting my bullets travel twice as far as yours do!"

No. If they add anything like a range increase it should be for specific guns.

+1 to this. And why are we still overusing the term nerf when its not applicable? SS was broken, it had to be fixed. end of story.

Agree with this. Some of you kill me acting like you're politicking for HMGs when you're really just mad you can't fire from on top of C and kill guys at the CRU on the 4pt map (craziest complaint i've heard by far)

Even worse, some of you played MAG. A game where excess weapon ranges made snipers obsolete and you could one-shot a guy with a shotty at 40m ...Lets not forget high ROF LMGs could snipe too the paper/rock/scissors is what makes this game good...snipers might not be popular but they have to have a function. Dust even has lasers that take up their own special spot in the shotgun-pistol-SMG-HMG-AR-SR foodchain.

I rock a Heavy and i'm not ashamed to say SS was too effective. I could do damage to guys at 80m and that was at level 4 w/o the proficiency. THATS TOO KITTEN FAR. This "realism" argument fails everytime someone tries it. Telling me a real gatling gun can hit targets at 1100m is pointless when the map itself is 900m!!

Balance is the priority here. NOT REALISM. Gameplay would suck if my HMG could countersnipe a guy with a RAILGUN 100m away who not only has to aim but get 2 headshots to kill me. Why would you use anything else? For that reason i'm fine with an HMG that has 40m of range and has high lethality in the 0-20m range.

Balance is the priority here. NOT REALISM. Gameplay would suck if my HMG could countersnipe a guy with a RAILGUN 100m away who not only has to aim but get 2 headshots to kill me. Why would you use anything else? For that reason i'm fine with an HMG that has 40m of range and has high lethality in the 0-20m range.

damn kush goin INNNNNNNN

Don't worry they will be back in the form of weapon mods I am sure.

Coming in hot for 2015.

+1 to this. And why are we still overusing the term nerf when its not applicable? SS was broken, it had to be fixed. end of story.

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

I don't understand why CCP is removing the range for the sharpshooter skill. They placed it in the game and I don't recall reading a lot of hate for the sharpshooter from the community. So, I don't understand why the devs would have placed it in the game.....and then remove it when there was no negative feedback about it. In fact, everyone I know loves the sharpshooter skill.

And why the removal of the passive damage skill? I can't recall anyone having issues with these skills....so why are they being removed?

If I am mistaken or misinformed, please let me know that as well

Having a limited range is dumb as crap man. I see someone but my gun cant shoot him? that is dumb just dumb

Having a limited range is dumb as crap man. I see someone but my gun cant shoot him? that is dumb just dumb

Not even going to come up with a logical response to this as it's just crybaby bull**** over not being able to be King of the Pub Stomping.

Everything is getting equally reduced basically, this means HP and defense are getting a buff...

Honestly, so far in this thread it seems the only argument against getting rid of SS is that people won't be able to pubstomp as effectively as before.

your assumption is WRONG. highest range shotguns have 9 meter optimal range. add both sharpshooter skills and you get the range up to 12meters... wow big difference.

the real reason why shotguns can be used up to 20 meters and still deal damage is because they have 30 meter fall off range thus still deal about 50% damage at 20 meters.

This "realism" argument fails everytime someone tries it. Telling me a real gatling gun can hit targets at 1100m is pointless when the map itself is 900m!!

This one really hit home, "THE" QFT.
Never thought about it, at least not in that point of view and its very, very true.

It's also a bad argument as the maps will get bigger. Unless CCP has changed their plans for maps drastically, combat will be happening on maps that are 3+ km across. Thats 3000 meters and larger for those that can't do math. And the 3km maps, last I heard, were to be the small maps.

MD never really used SS much, firing at max range was a 5 second flight time, the only thing that doesn't move in 5 sec is a sniper and snipers above you are near unhittable (mostly). The nerf MD threads will be thick. I wonder what skills will be available for MD.

MD never really used SS much, firing at max range was a 5 second flight time, the only thing that doesn't move in 5 sec is a sniper and snipers above you are near unhittable (mostly). The nerf MD threads will be thick. I wonder what skills will be available for MD.

Well I hope your all happy with your nerf SS and AR threads, because last I heard, the Gallente AR was getting shotgun range. So once again, the nerf threads have ended up over-nerfing, the "OP" weapon until it has become obsolete. You people just won't stop until every weapon is dealing 1 damage and has 1 meter of range.

ITT: First world problems. I hope they take your damage mods next so this stops being another generic twitch gaming arcade FPS. One more week until the CoDex build is done, so you better get your last bit of enjoyment before you actually have to get kills with something other than range.

i just hope ccp keep on nerf ing the gun

more guys play the forum game then the real game

After attending fanfest I will personally not be using the gallente AR

Well I hope your all happy with your nerf SS and AR threads, because last I heard, the Gallente AR was getting shotgun range. So once again, the nerf threads have ended up over-nerfing, the "OP" weapon until it has become obsolete. You people just won't stop until every weapon is dealing 1 damage and has 1 meter of range.

I think the reduced range is due to it being a high damage blaster type weapon. New ARs will come out with longer ranges and lower damage, or some other balancing factor like rate of fire. So the merc will then have to choose if he wants short range high damage (Caldari Blaster Rifle), long range low damage (Minmatar Assault Rifle), or mid range mid damage (Amarr Scrambler rifle). This could possibly happen with several of the weapons available. We won't know till they're released.

No offense mate but you got that all wrong..

Gallente Blaster is short range, high damage - such has always been their nature.
Minmatar Combat Rifle would be a good medium at everything, with a higher emphasis on armor damage.
Amarr Scrambler Rifle would be another good medium, with a higher emphasis on shield damage.
Caldari Rail Rifle would be long range, low damage as they have always specialized in Siege Warfare, using long range Railguns with ships that have bonuses to their optimal range.

Close combat is more intimate to the player. I can't feel good about offing someone I can just barely see - but knowing that I almost died and killed them before they killed me... That's where stories are made.

The awesome stories are always the ones where the odds are stacked against you - not when you have every advantage.

The SS skill seemed to add a bit of variety to game-play. I can understand ppl hating it but the new play play-style is gonna become very monotonous very quickly. LAVs are gonna have a field day running over ppl that have to stand in open spaces in order to get closer to the enemy. Hopefully they thought this thing through.

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

Personally I think its a good thing. An AR should not hit me from across the map, Tactical AR I can see doing it. I think a lot of people are overreacting to this, that being said we will see what happens on the 6th.

Why shouldn't an AR hit you from across the map exactly?

There is no way sustained fire can cause substantial damage at that range. Disperson/Kick/Accuracy is the safeguard there.

A well placed single shot could kill you if you are knocking on deaths door though, and it should.

Why should I have to use a tactical to make that single, situational shot, when I know for a fact I am good enough to make it with an iron sight?

Why shouldn't an AR hit you from across the map exactly?

There is no way sustained fire can cause substantial damage at that range. Disperson/Kick/Accuracy is the safeguard there.

A well placed single shot could kill you if you are knocking on deaths door though, and it should.

Why should I have to use a tactical to make that single, situational shot, when I know for a fact I am good enough to make it with an iron sight?

Remember when tactics like this were valid? Dust 514 was advertised and still is advertised as a strafe/tracking style FPS. Thanks to all the damage mod stacking, it turned into twitch gaming arcade, and with LW SS, it's a sniper fest. Shame on anyone who dares to defend LW SS.

Remember when tactics like this were valid? Dust 514 was advertised and still is advertised as a strafe/tracking style FPS. Thanks to all the damage mod stacking, it turned into twitch gaming arcade, and with LW SS, it's a sniper fest. Shame on anyone who dares to defend LW SS.

It's amazing to me that someone even made that video. So horrible... Hai guys now here is lesson #2, pull the trigger when you want to shoot at someone...

When did strafing become the thing to do in FPS? I don't remember it being a part of Goldeneye, which I have no problem admitting was my first/only experience with FPS until Uncharted 2.

I just don't get it, I thought that CCP was going for a SciFi Sim, in the case of Dust it would make me believe that it is to be a War Sim and when in war do people strafe (note I said people and not planes)?

You have to keep in mind that some people playing this game have never played an FPS before. Think of how many people actually stand still. Assuming you can actually see them when you're sniping across the map with an intended mid range, high power weapon that is...

At this point in time I doubt very much that DUST is anyones first first-person shooter. If it is I would tell you to stop playing DUST right now and go play CS, Halo, COD, BF, GR, RS, QUAKE, ARMA, TF, KZ, GUN, TS or any other of the plethora of awesome shooters out there right now that blow the doors off of DUST. Then come back and see if you are ready for a FPS that is not just a simple shooter.

Personally I think its a good thing. An AR should not hit me from across the map, Tactical AR I can see doing it. I think a lot of people are overreacting to this, that being said we will see what happens on the 6th.

Sharpshooter on HMG and Shotgun broke those two weapons against most of their best counters, until the other player also skilled into the same thing, meaning the only valid counter to SS was equal/better SS.

Sharpshooter on ARs basically allowed them to negate the primary advantage of Snipers. Same goes for Lasers. Some Ambush maps are small enough that lvl 3 SS is almost enough to fire across the map with mid-range weapons.

There have been plenty of threads targeting weapons specifically for "SS breaks this weapon" or "this weapon breaks SS" or "this weapon is OP" with the explanation basically boiling down to one of the first 2.

qq

I agree with the ranges on the HMG & shotgun being too long for good balance, but balancing their base ranges would work just as well. And I would support the SS skill being contextual with weapon class.

Many peeps are claiming that ARs with SS are out-competing snipers. The minimum range on a sniper rifle is 500m iirc. For comparison, what is the range at which an AR with fully trained SS proficiency hits for 25% efficiency?

I'm not going to calculate it right now, but if it's 200m i'd be surprised. So when i see peeps claiming that AR range is unbalanced with sniper rifles i tend to discount that poster's opinion.

What problems does Gemcutter have with the AR's range? The only threat my AR + SS is to him is is if i go hiking in the hills to hunt him down.

Because you're not beating people with skill, just range.

Balancing the base ranges of HMG and Shotgun so they work "properly" as high SS levels would nerf them into uselessness until the skill is maxed out. That's not a balance improvement. Removing the skill is, and it allows weapon ranges to be lined up so they each fill a specific niche in regards to damage vs. range.

And snipers DON'T have a minimum range. At all. I've been quick-scoped at Shotgun ranges (legit SG range, not SS-buffed) and taken full damage from the hit. At almost the maximum range possible on an Ambush map like Manus Peak, AR and Laser Assaults can damage-race Snipers and win (without needing Viziams). When they can get just barely into range where they're able to hit, ARs still fire accurately enough to rip a sniper apart before they can take a second shot. If you don't kill with the first shot (and against a well-tanked suit, you often won't, even with a headshot), you've usually lost the fight.

You're not beating people with skill, just netcode.

(See wut I did thar?)

Back in 2009 Dust 514 was advertised as a strafe and track style shooter similar to the early Halo series. Thanks to instant gratification addicted CoD junkies, this has been all but lost or CCP is trying to reach some unreachable middle ground. My point is that when's the last time anyone has been in a mid range engagement in this game let alone had a chance to attempt to strafe?

Thank you for the info, though I was honestly asking for a history lesson on when/why strafing became the thing you do when playing FPS. I seriously doubt it was inspired by real life.

You're not beating people with skill, just netcode.

(See wut I did thar?)

For the record, if you weren't strafing on Goldeneye, you were probably pretty damn awful at Goldeneye.

No, you're missing the point.

Uncap the range limitation on all projectile-based weaponry and re-balance the accuracy according to damage and rate of fire dealt. Then you don't have this idiotic issue that ONLY EXISTS in Dust 514. It doesn't have to be a skill thing, it just needs to be done.

Every single other FPS dev team from the dawn of time has been able to figure this out. It's only CCP and its apparently clueless fanbase that seem to be bewildered by the thought of bullets that don't disappear.

Halo did not do this. COD did not do this. BF did not do this. Wolfenstein 3d did not ******* do this.

And yet they all have weapons with "effective ranges" that work well inside of those ranges, and not so well outside of those ranges.

And these games still function. Crazy, I know, but they do. Perhaps we should go take a survey to the general public and ask them how functional they believe Dust is?

No, you're missing the point.

Uncap the range limitation on all projectile-based weaponry and re-balance the accuracy according to damage and rate of fire dealt. Then you don't have this idiotic issue that ONLY EXISTS in Dust 514. It doesn't have to be a skill thing, it just needs to be done.

Every single other FPS dev team from the dawn of time has been able to figure this out. It's only CCP and its apparently clueless fanbase that seem to be bewildered by the thought of bullets that don't disappear.

Halo did not do this. COD did not do this. BF did not do this. Wolfenstein 3d did not ******* do this.

And yet they all have weapons with "effective ranges" that work well inside of those ranges, and not so well outside of those ranges.

And these games still function. Crazy, I know, but they do. Perhaps we should go take a survey to the general public and ask them how functional they believe Dust is?