HMG and Shotgun
2 guns that should fit a certain role and range are made kinda stupid thanks to sharpshooter

Everyone may love the sharpshooter skill, but it's such a basic necessity of the game mechanics that you can't make a skill out of it.

It's pretty much a waste of SP to have a game mechanic be locked in.

So it's OP, and has been removed. Thankfully in my opinion.


Passive damage is also similar, and trust me this will make it better.

With no sharpshooter, specing into different weapon roles will make more sense based on the situation and battlefield scenario. I am an AR user first and foremost, and I admit sharpshooter pretty much enables me to hit virtually anything I can see. Not always effectively mind you due to kick, dispersion and reduced damage, but the reach is there. With sharpshooter gone, I won't have that reach anymore and may have to choose a LR instead to deal with a medium-long distant enemy effectively.

The thing is, HMG's and shotguns may end up being more effective in the overall big picture, because all players will have to get closer in to do ideal damage with their weapons, which means we all need to get closer to a shotgunner or HMG user to get in our effective ranges. Not sure how affected snipers will be, but they will have to get in closer too, which would be worse for them and better for everybody else, same goes for a LR user.

But will be interesting to see how it unfolds, as having every weapon class (or sub-class of a weapon) locked into a range could be a really good balancing feature... or it could end up unbalancing a lot of things and make gunplay worse.

yup gotta cater to the new players, its fine and all but its just a lazy way to fix the game they should of had done that these past months now all of us who got used to sharpshooter have to re adjust our gameplay again for the sake of others.

So, many people are for the SS skill removal. Shooting people at distances was something that was actually fun in the game. They remove handheld passive damage skills but keep the passive damage skills for turrets? where is the balance in that?

HMGs need the SS range....it's really one of the skills that helps keep them alive. Man, I'm not even going to bother...I hope they just nerf everything and remove everything that helps the game's fun factor. This community is hard to understand sometimes.

So, many people are for the SS skill removal. Shooting people at distances was something that was actually fun in the game. They remove handheld passive damage skills but keep the passive damage skills for turrets? where is the balance in that?

HMGs need the SS range....it's really one of the skills that helps keep them alive. Man, I'm not even going to bother...I hope they just nerf everything and remove everything that helps the game's fun factor. This community is hard to understand sometimes.

I think it was pretty obvious to anyone actually paying attention that sharpshooter was completely broken, we just didn't expect CCP to actually do anything about it.

Removing it is, by far, the best improvement they could have made for balance/gun game. I seriously applaud CCP for having the balls to remove it in order to improve the game, even though they surely knew that many of the people using SS as a crutch would be upset.

No. It is a lasers and snipers can now get right on top of you without fear of being shot buff.

Not equal at all.

Shut up, your argument is invalid.

Ontopic: I feel its a rework on the ranges overall, instead of a nerf IMO.

not one CPM comment, not believing a word of this thread till i see a nova or ironwolf comment

Vocal minorities are strong. They have more impacts becuase happy people don't complain, and only like 3% of the playerbase ever visited the forums. It's true. So mostly people come to *****.

Here is a game designer viewpoint. Not a Dev mind you, just a software guy.

First, let's look at what SS did. It added 5% per level for all light weapons. When proficiency is included that means the basic number is 40% more distance. However, the way EVE and DUST, as far as I can tell, works is that each bonus is multiplied one right after the other. That means the actual range is 27.6% at lvl 5 SS and 48% for lvl 5 Proficiency.

Now, image what you are doing is designing a ten year game. At least first few years will be building up the basic functionality of the character. So you include the Sharp Shooter Skill to adjust ranged based on how much benefit vs SP the players are willing to spend.

To get the balance right just enable SS for Light Weapons, Heavy Weapons and Sidearms. The Beta testers will get the benefit of the entire range. But that is not how you would want the Skill to actually work in the Release.

Each specific Weapon needs SP to be spent on it. Why? Because that is how EVE works and it requires the Most SP to be spent. Which means the player needs to be connected to DUST for longer to get those benefits for multiple weapons. Each weapon has specifics that will need to be addressed. That is very consistent with splitting Vehicles vs Drop Suits Skills. Doing that requires More SP to used, which means more SP will need to be generated, which means more AUR for more Boosters. Life is good.

Now we are getting two things Real Soon Now. First is May 6th, Uprising. That is a major update to the game. May 14th is something else. More maps, guns and might even be called a Release. It doesn't really matter. What does matter is that it will no longer be called Beta and new players will expect a more complete game. However, they will not come into the game with the preconceived ideas from the Beta testers regarding certain Skills. Because they are all gone and everything is new.

We no longer are going to be used to find bugs, test how fast SP should be generated per day/week/whatever and we won't be having the special bonuses we got because we were here first. We will have the SP advantage but a lot of it will be mitigated as the Sharpshooter Skill is evidence of. I wouldn't be surprise if everything costs more SP in the long run. We get to wade through the New Skill Tree and find a new balance for our character. Skilling LW SS to lvl 5 will not increase the range for multiple weapons. We will have to make the decision regard Which Specific Weapon we want to improve. Just like the Newest of the New Berries.

It's a new game.

That still wouldn't fix the lazoooor rifle problem...

if HMG gets a skill that reduces spread that makes them more deadly in their desired range
shotguns with sharpshooter is just dumb and needed to change

IMO if SS is indeed gone then a slight tweak to each weapon base range is in order

Ppl also forget that the current gallente AR is plasma based which is technically suppose to be short-mid range if u goin by EVE
The Caldari rail rifle would be your long range gun

Is passive dmg for turrets there or just an assumption?

Ever use a LR with 0 SP into SS?

That still wouldn't fix the lazoooor rifle problem...