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I agree with the ranges on the HMG & shotgun being too long for good balance, but balancing their base ranges would work just as well. And I would support the SS skill being contextual with weapon class.

Many peeps are claiming that ARs with SS are out-competing snipers. The minimum range on a sniper rifle is 500m iirc. For comparison, what is the range at which an AR with fully trained SS proficiency hits for 25% efficiency?

I'm not going to calculate it right now, but if it's 200m i'd be surprised. So when i see peeps claiming that AR range is unbalanced with sniper rifles i tend to discount that poster's opinion.

What problems does Gemcutter have with the AR's range? The only threat my AR + SS is to him is is if i go hiking in the hills to hunt him down.

Because you're not beating people with skill, just range.

Balancing the base ranges of HMG and Shotgun so they work "properly" as high SS levels would nerf them into uselessness until the skill is maxed out. That's not a balance improvement. Removing the skill is, and it allows weapon ranges to be lined up so they each fill a specific niche in regards to damage vs. range.

And snipers DON'T have a minimum range. At all. I've been quick-scoped at Shotgun ranges (legit SG range, not SS-buffed) and taken full damage from the hit. At almost the maximum range possible on an Ambush map like Manus Peak, AR and Laser Assaults can damage-race Snipers and win (without needing Viziams). When they can get just barely into range where they're able to hit, ARs still fire accurately enough to rip a sniper apart before they can take a second shot. If you don't kill with the first shot (and against a well-tanked suit, you often won't, even with a headshot), you've usually lost the fight.

You're not beating people with skill, just netcode.

(See wut I did thar?)

Back in 2009 Dust 514 was advertised as a strafe and track style shooter similar to the early Halo series. Thanks to instant gratification addicted CoD junkies, this has been all but lost or CCP is trying to reach some unreachable middle ground. My point is that when's the last time anyone has been in a mid range engagement in this game let alone had a chance to attempt to strafe?

Thank you for the info, though I was honestly asking for a history lesson on when/why strafing became the thing you do when playing FPS. I seriously doubt it was inspired by real life.

You're not beating people with skill, just netcode.

(See wut I did thar?)

For the record, if you weren't strafing on Goldeneye, you were probably pretty damn awful at Goldeneye.

No, you're missing the point.

Uncap the range limitation on all projectile-based weaponry and re-balance the accuracy according to damage and rate of fire dealt. Then you don't have this idiotic issue that ONLY EXISTS in Dust 514. It doesn't have to be a skill thing, it just needs to be done.

Every single other FPS dev team from the dawn of time has been able to figure this out. It's only CCP and its apparently clueless fanbase that seem to be bewildered by the thought of bullets that don't disappear.

Halo did not do this. COD did not do this. BF did not do this. Wolfenstein 3d did not ******* do this.

And yet they all have weapons with "effective ranges" that work well inside of those ranges, and not so well outside of those ranges.

And these games still function. Crazy, I know, but they do. Perhaps we should go take a survey to the general public and ask them how functional they believe Dust is?

No, you're missing the point.

Uncap the range limitation on all projectile-based weaponry and re-balance the accuracy according to damage and rate of fire dealt. Then you don't have this idiotic issue that ONLY EXISTS in Dust 514. It doesn't have to be a skill thing, it just needs to be done.

Every single other FPS dev team from the dawn of time has been able to figure this out. It's only CCP and its apparently clueless fanbase that seem to be bewildered by the thought of bullets that don't disappear.

Halo did not do this. COD did not do this. BF did not do this. Wolfenstein 3d did not ******* do this.

And yet they all have weapons with "effective ranges" that work well inside of those ranges, and not so well outside of those ranges.

And these games still function. Crazy, I know, but they do. Perhaps we should go take a survey to the general public and ask them how functional they believe Dust is?