New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I can have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with, now prepare to get stomped.

TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it.

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped.

TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it.

this, this is the attitude that will kill the game

No no no.

The fate of the game will be determined by reviews.

All good games get good reviews, and bad games bad reviews, everybody knows that.

this, this is the attitude that will kill the game

1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too. A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players.

2. CCP is already adding a King of the hill gamemode to Uprising, along with several new weapons and dropsuits plus a complete reimbursment of SP and the ISK spent on the said skills.

3. Dooming a game is always dumb, if you really think that a set of arbitrary goals will make or break a game in this case, then you obviously have never played EVE Online. Do us a favor and just leave already, we don't like Imps anyway.+¦

Hopefully with all the new modes, the noobstomping will be kept to a minimum, as long as there is another huge/semi-huge influx of players to allow the match maker to fill games in the correct regions with the same level players. Assuming they will have a match maker, and start putting people in with their respective regions.

But, its not like we were just given all this SP, ISK, and general knowledge of the game. They had the option to start anytime in between the day of Open Beta and May 14th. And they cant say they didnt know about since it was on the Sony Store Front for like 2+ weeks and spammed in the media bar.

Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point.

Open beta started in January.

lets see:

January

February

March

April

May 14th

That is 5 months....

Really less then 4 months as it came out in late January and comes out of beta in mid May but i will give you those two months for calculation purposes.

Since when is 5 months "well over a year"?

-New players given a fighting chance (adding a hands-on tutorial and nerfing certain upper-tier equipment/skills for fairness)

Open beta started in January.

lets see:

January

February

March

April

May 14th

That is 5 months....

Really less then 4 months as it came out in late January and comes out of beta in mid May but i will give you those two months for calculation purposes.

Since when is 5 months "well over a year"?

There's definitely no shortage of players, that's for sure.

Call of Duty has gotten pretty good over the years.

I hope you're trolling.

No, games can gain in popularity over time, like EVE

I don't really expect dramatic changes with the new build. I do expect to see some new features and content. But other than that, manus peak will still be manus peak. Line Harvest will still be line harvest. We are only getting one new game mode.

Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare should be interesting enough to keep us motivated until the next update. We have new dropsuits and such which will add more variety to the game and customization. Graphics will be better but the maps will still be the same. But they will be new for to new players, if you choose to look at it in that way.

I mean, it isn't going to be a total rehaul and I hope that players are aware of that. I don't want people to expect a totally new game and then find a lot of the old stuff and be heavily disappointed.

This game is barely keeping ahead of defiance -_-. It will be destroyed by destiny. Word of mouth for this game is terrible, even if they do add new content, and make a noticeable connection, the terrible support and improper nerfing and buffing of equipment has utterly destroyed this game.

CCP tried but failed, the MMO elements outscale the FPS elements. You can be as good as you want with your aim, be as clever as you want, but the old, heavy, numnuts will beat the new, nimble, genius, simply because he has more health and hits harder because of the skill system. The only real FPS element in this game is the fact that guns are involved in the damaging process.

FPS are based on personal reflexes, patience, and finding a weapon that suits your playstyle. MMOs are about veterancy and skill allocation. It will not matter if you aim better in dust, nor if you get the jump on your enemy, if youre standard taking on a proto youre ******.

It's ok though, CCP makes enough money to sustain EVE and Dust, so they're doing something right somewhere. Must be more MMO players than FPS players

I hope you're trolling.

I could write a long post on how i disagree with your view of what Will happend to dust, if the Things you mentioned does not happen. But others have had some fine arguments on why you might be wrong and more will come.

what I will say is, maybe you should leave and play that destiny, just cause of that ****** call of duty comment.

I played call of duty since the games came out and played the multiplayer of those games since 2004, even in league's. I can say that the games gone shittier n shittier, so for you to say they developed into better games, I remember really get it and shows how little u know of the cod series

You mean Call of Duty has become worse over time?
Also anything to do with halo is also BS gutter crap.

Dust is a great game I for one, cannot wait for the updates. Best game I have played in years, probably since the days of BF2142 / BF2 (For me personally anyway) Defo best game on consoles #FULLSTOP#

Thinking about the title of the thread...

Maybe all the whiners will go away as they realize this is not going to be a simple clone of other FPS games?

Then, after a few weeks, those of us who aren't looking for an FPS clone will play in peace... well, maybe not peace. ;)

Thinking about the title of the thread...

Maybe all the whiners will go away as they realize this is not going to be a simple clone of other FPS games?

Then, after a few weeks, those of us who aren't looking for an FPS clone will play in peace... well, maybe not peace. ;)

First stages of the beta =/= open beta. This game has been in beta since at least December 2011.

I'd be so grateful if they all went away. Would give CCP a chance to see how their game affects the community without all the petty non-sense from extroverts who's only concern is their extroverted ideals.

Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point.

And to all of you higher sp beta tester tuff guys strutting in this thread, are you kidding me? Tell me you're kidding me. Are you seriously going to continue to squad up and fight instant battles just so you can stomp new players? Are you really that pathetic? Did you really just spend the last three months grinding the beta just so you could win agains someone who may have never played the game before? Just sad. Really sad.

lolcod

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There are currently no games on PS3 to preoccupy time with other than Dust for most of the FPS enthusiasts.

The last of US
Destiny
GTA V
Killzone Shadowfall
BF4

Along with just a host of amazing and great non FPS titles in the pipe will suck out the regular base of players that logon to this game because there is nothing else to play. That will not last much longer, so perhaps you need to get off the CCP is doing everything right bandwagon and wake up.

Its not that you 'aren't looking for a FPS clone'. Its that you ARE looking to play in the 'nerf' world. Looking to exploit the flaws and claim that you have some legitimate skills. Weak. You're peace is in space if you claim that what you have played to this point is fun.

The fate of Dust514 has been determined when CCP decided to make it a Pay2Win model.

It wont work. , not on PS3.

Maybe if the player count is so low in FW i cant find a decent game because of player count/connection issues then yea ill be pubstomping it up if i continue to play at all.


Sorry playing FW or PC matters little if its still the same version of Skirmish i can get in pubs but with a less stable connection or player count.

I can care less about my actions effecting story arc and my owning of territory if the basic gameplay integrity simply isnt enjoyable in pursuit of those venues.

personally i would love to spend my days in FW when not in PC. I have zero desire to go into pubs not even to train new players in our 6 person squads, they will come to FW with us. But if you cant find full matches regularly or if the mathces that are full wind up being with players from all over the world and the connection issues that follow with it is all i see in FW and PC then yea ill pub until Last of US comes out and just wait for destiny.

Go ahead and tell yourself im the minority in this mindset.

This game is barely keeping ahead of defiance -_-. It will be destroyed by destiny. Word of mouth for this game is terrible, even if they do add new content, and make a noticeable connection, the terrible support and improper nerfing and buffing of equipment has utterly destroyed this game.

CCP tried but failed, the MMO elements outscale the FPS elements. You can be as good as you want with your aim, be as clever as you want, but the old, heavy, numnuts will beat the new, nimble, genius, simply because he has more health and hits harder because of the skill system. The only real FPS element in this game is the fact that guns are involved in the damaging process.

FPS are based on personal reflexes, patience, and finding a weapon that suits your playstyle. MMOs are about veterancy and skill allocation. It will not matter if you aim better in dust, nor if you get the jump on your enemy, if youre standard taking on a proto youre ******.

It's ok though, CCP makes enough money to sustain EVE and Dust, so they're doing something right somewhere. Must be more MMO players than FPS players

I agree with most of what you said. At least sort of. This game will need to constantly improve to stay afloat and will need to bring some big wow factor every once in a while to get new players. The last thing we need to do is act like snobs. Snobs can go play EVE Online...

But you forgot a game. That one with the TV show on the Sci Fi channel. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. I seriously can't think of the name. (edit* Defiance that's what it was)

Anyway, it isn't like players only ever play one game at a time. It is going to be possible to play The Last of Us and any other games we want. Maybe not for the first week or so. But players aren't limited to only ever playing one game.

Also, don't underestimate FREE! It would cost me over $300 to play all those games on release in the next half year. I would like to bu I am going to only be able to pick one or two.

Wait a minute...

I'm getting my butt kicked all the time and I don't care. I'm not worried about any KDR, exploiting flaws, or any other nonsense on your list. I've never once tried to claim I was any good.

Did you read the thread?

Excellent OP.

Really sums it up in such a succinct manner.

Still can't believe how many people can't understand the simple fact that having any kind of statistical advantage in an FPS is extremely bad for the balance of the game.

The only deciding factor should be player skill/aim.

Of course, you gotta have something to entice people to pony up for that Aurum eh?

In order for this game to not get shredded by reviews (both formal and through word-of-mouth) and automatically fail on release (these initial reviews will stick with the game for years to come as reviewers almost never give a second chance even after major updates), the following absolutely must happen:

-Smoother terrain navigation (not getting stuck on hills or against walls)
-Gunplay smoothed out (improving the god-awful framerate and sluggish controls/animations)
-New players given a fighting chance (adding a hands-on tutorial and nerfing certain upper-tier equipment/skills for fairness)
-One of the following: A meaningful connection with EVE Online that the average player would easily be able to notice and appreciate, OR a huge stockpile of new content (including at least multiple new maps and multiple new game modes) to keep the game from getting stale (imagine if all COD had was 2 TDM and 2 Domination variants).

The above is the absolute bare minimum that Dust 514 needs to get by. If any of this is missing I would be preparing to abandon ship and maybe come back a year or two down the line after the game gets a rebranding and you have a crapload of passive SP to spend.

I hear Bungie is looking for beta testers for Destiny.

And Call of Duty has gotten pretty good over the years.

The "winning" isn't enough? Maybe unlocking a new tier of weapon attachments? Maybe the ability to sprint further? You know, things that don't completely **** all over the balance of the game?

Does it have to be superior armour or something that makes it easier for you to mop up people with inferior gear?

Honestly?

I agree FREE will always bring someone in. But how do you keep that noob around while everyone who is hopefully STILL playing is involved in the 'macro'?

That TV show game is different and actually adheres more to the MMO moniker because it is open world PvE/PvP. To do a short comparison based on both betas. Trion kicks CCP like a dog in the graphics and variety departments. CCP kicks Trion like a dog in the shooter mechanics and potential to pull in the hardcore FPS group. They even in the physics areas especially vehicle maneuvering. Not great there.

FREE is also a turn-off to many. F2P typically means doo doo.

Dust is about finding your own role, and becoming good at it. What you're describing is pretty much the CoD style of progression. In Dust, you don't get good at everything. You will lose to those who risk more than you.

If someone is using prototype gear, simple focus fire (and skill) should take him out easily, and even if you lost 3 suits, he still lost more in terms of ISK (and potentially AUR) than you.

Aside from that, I'd like to know your opinion of the game if you've seen any gameplay of Uprising. Your previous critisizms were interesting.

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

Excellent OP.

Really sums it up in such a succinct manner.

Still can't believe how many people can't understand the simple fact that having any kind of statistical advantage in an FPS is extremely bad for the balance of the game.

The only deciding factor should be player skill/aim.

Of course, you gotta have something to entice people to pony up for that Aurum eh?

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

You do know that people still play MAG right?

The fate of Dust514 has been determined when CCP decided to make it a Pay2Win model.

It wont work. , not on PS3.

Yeah we know

Really its players like you that damage the game and have stifled it from becoming a great experience with needless comparison to the growth of EVE and how Dust will mimic it because CCP is amazing and they deliver on every promise they have ever made and have never screwed anything up and because console players are patient, nurturing and willing to give developers 2,3 heck even 5 years of their time to a company or are the type to say hey you know what this game has passive SP maybe ill check back on it in 6 months. Yea not if another game has captured their attention. Most importantly consolers don't do second chances. They have been patient with CCP because they do great hype and they've allowed the its a beta mantra to cushion the blow. Launch means no more its a beta excuse to hide behind. Its put up or shut up. .

Looks like as good a place as any to drop this.

Problem.
Sluggish controls.... spot on OP.

CoD is fluid controls. Halo is fluid Controls. BF3 is Fluid Controls.

These are the reasons they are successful. Has nothing to do with how shallow the meta game is.
An FPS could have the most basic parts... a gun and a person to shoot at. No story, No levels, No equipment, NOTHING!

But if it's controls are fluid. IT WILL SUCCEED!

This is the number one issue with Dust.

Controls should be an extension of the players thoughts. Not something you have to spend days, weeks, months or even a year adapting too.
Pick up and play... Ever heard of it?

Just because a game is easy to "Pickup and Play" Doesn't mean it can't have RPG elements added to it.
Doesn't mean a game can't have "DEPTH"


But...
It's those RPG elements that is the second major problem with this game.

I could get into a long drawn out explanation as to how the RPG elements create a severe inbalance between vets and news players.. but I won't. I'm sure you've seen or heard every point of that argument. So I'll go a different route.

Why does "Depth" in an RPG/MMO.... always translate into "Time Invested"?

Remove the "Time-Invested" part of the RPG equation and you have yourself a Great RPG-FPS-MMO.

Take a game like Shadowrun as an example.
Shadowrun had alot of great ideas, as to how to turn an FPS game into something more than just running around and shooting.
Shadowrun had ALOT of Depth to it. It did not require a "Time-Invested" mechanic seperating players from each other.
I didn't have to play for a month before I could attempt to start using certain elements of the game. Just about every element in the game was accessible to me from the very moment I turned the game on.

This is not the case with EVE and Dust.
"Time-Invested" does nothing more than to say....
"We're only going to give you 10% of the total game, until you invest more time in me, at which point I'll slowly unlock the rest of the cool stuff ."

"Time-Invested" is the dumbest mechanic to ever infest the gaming industry in general.
Remember that our lives on this planet is finite. We don't live forever.
So I don't need a game arbitrarily taking up a good portion of my life to simulate "Depth"

Just think about it. Imagine a game with all the depth of an RPG, allowing for people to differentiate themselves from one another, without have to "Invest Time".
Now also imagine this game having enough depth to keep people coming back, to try new builds and tactics.




Now let's go back to the "Time-Invested" mechanic.
It's a shallow attempt to make the game appear to retain players, not because the amount of different things you can do.... but more because it takes you forever to get to something new.

Which the only outcome of time-invested is this...
"I put my time in, I deserve to pubstomp you because of it"

IE, beaten because of Time invested,not because of Skill, tactics, or choices.

That is a recipe for failure.
Because in my book.....

Catering to a crowd that in one breath calls most casual players "Entitled"... and in the next breath say they should be entitled to things like "Killstreaks" is bad....mmmkay!

Yes, I basically just lumped Elitest Dust/EVE players into the same category of Elitest COD players.
Because there is no difference, you're all pretty much losers.

Oh and as an example...when you played a game in MAG and came across a DOMINATING clan. You knew you weren't being beaten because they had better gear. You were being beaten because they were better organised and were faster with the analogues.

That for me is a deciding factor on whether I'll play Dust. I don't have time to grind up and I'm not going to pay to compete. If I feel I'm being browbeaten for not doing either, then I'll just delete it.

No Grind = Can't beat tougher people

Can't beat tougher people = You get smashed

Bye.

I'm sure the CEO of CCP will a nice big tongue hole cut out for you under his chair at the next Fanfest.

Looks like as good a place as any to drop this.

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Yes, I basically just lumped Elitest Dust/EVE players into the same category of Elitest COD players.
Because there is no difference, you're all pretty much losers.

And to all of you higher sp beta tester tuff guys strutting in this thread, are you kidding me? Tell me you're kidding me. Are you seriously going to continue to squad up and fight instant battles just so you can stomp new players? Are you really that pathetic? Did you really just spend the last three months grinding the beta just so you could win agains someone who may have never played the game before? Just sad. Really sad.

Haha, no, I was kidding. I grind so that I don't get stomped myself. I have no interest in stomping newbies, since that doesn't actually mean anything.

However, notice that I said "so I don't get stomped myself". I fully expect to be at a disadvantage when I go up against someone who's played longer/more than me and therefore has better gear. I think that's how it should be, and it adds to the uniqueness of the game. If I wanted to play another flat shooter, then I'd be playing CoD, BF or HF. What drew me to this game was the unique combination of RPG and FPS elements, along with the skill progression system, and anything that further flattens the games is a step in the wrong direction IMHO.

Clearly CCP is doing something write since so many including the OP actually care about the fate of the game still. Me on the other hand has stopped caring awhile ago

Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.

So I say if you dont like dust GTFO.
If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO.
If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.

I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.

lol

So lacking in understanding. There is nothing complicated about Dust at all. Nothing more complicated than any other FPS out there right now. It's currently a third rate Battlefield knock off. In fact, Section 8:Prejudice has more complicated core game elements than Dust has. It's a lobby shooter with some ties to an MMO.

Dust has an enormously complicated skill tree system which players either love, or hate. A quick scan around the internet on any gaming forum will show you divisive this feature is.

There's a core of people here who seem to think that Dust belongs to them and only them because they were testing from the beginning. The bizarre logic of GTFO just doesn't wash. Many new people will download the client next month and like most console players, will give it about 1-2 hours of their time to make an impact. If they are continuously getting stomped by people because of a stat advantage and not because of a skill deficit they'll likely abandon it. Less players, less income.

How do you think the press will react to a disparity like this?

I'm sure if CCP don't do something to address the different you'll have those challenging matches with your hardcore buddies, no question. So don't worry, you'll be able to feel fantastic about telling guys like me who might get to play 1-2 hours a week to "GTFO".

I'm certain the future development costs will just pay for themselves. After all, what game needs a thriving playerbase?

lol

So lacking in understanding. There is nothing complicated about Dust at all. Nothing more complicated than any other FPS out there right now. It's currently a third rate Battlefield knock off. In fact, Section 8:Prejudice has more complicated core game elements than Dust has. It's a lobby shooter with some ties to an MMO.

Dust has an enormously complicated skill tree system which players either love, or hate. A quick scan around the internet on any gaming forum will show you divisive this feature is.

There's a core of people here who seem to think that Dust belongs to them and only them because they were testing from the beginning. The bizarre logic of GTFO just doesn't wash. Many new people will download the client next month and like most console players, will give it about 1-2 hours of their time to make an impact. If they are continuously getting stomped by people because of a stat advantage and not because of a skill deficit they'll likely abandon it. Less players, less income.

How do you think the press will react to a disparity like this?

I'm sure if CCP don't do something to address the different you'll have those challenging matches with your hardcore buddies, no question. So don't worry, you'll be able to feel fantastic about telling guys like me who might get to play 1-2 hours a week to "GTFO".

I'm certain the future development costs will just pay for themselves. After all, what game needs a thriving playerbase?

Dust outshines BF in every sense of the word.

Can you explain the cost? How do you know its soooo expensive? This argument is irrelevant consider we are talking about a f2p game.

As for the learning curve... . If eve has survived 10 years..... im pretty sure dust will be fine.

Also tone it down with the "large player base" ..... their will always be people downloading this game. People will read or hear a review and wonder good or bad if they might like it enough to wade through the bullshit and put time into a game that rewards those who PUT TIME into the game.

Ill be honest I hated this game when I first played it.... but that was about a year ago and I stuck through it because i like the people i play with. Now when im not playing dust I wish I was blasting someones face off.

Dust just like eve rewards those who dedicate time.... once people realise this instead of trying to nerf this or change that this game will be huge.

ITT: People QQ about fairness in New Eden.

Man, my jaw hurts from laughing so much. or maybe its the other thing, but probably the laughing.

You didn't answer a single question.

I haven't used to word "nerf" once in this thread. So again, you are just assuming things.

Clearly CCP is doing something write since so many including the OP actually care about the fate of the game still. Me on the other hand has stopped caring awhile ago

Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less.

I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right.

http://dustboard.com/global

About 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad.

lol

You didn't use any logic. You just posted a bunch of baseless stuff and then you backed off when you were asked to verify it.

Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.

So I say if you dont like dust GTFO.
If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO.
If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.

I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.

Their you go again using logic..... stop it. Your going to make peoples brains hurt icy.

Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point.

You obviously dont get the point.....the absence of a matchmaker/training/pve will kill the game because the majority of NEW players are what pay CCP $$$$$. While the pub stomping wanna b elite players dont pay $$$ for this game because they have 10mil sp. therefore attitudes like yours go about pub stomping and killing off the majority player base and capitol for CCP telling everyone to GTFO and get guud. Cmon man

Survival of the fittest doesn't work with a player base on a console fps with attention spans < a nat.

Is this game going to be supported by elite eve fanbois? No because they dont pay $$$$.



If they all GTFO then there will be no $$$$, do you understand now?

How many are still active?

You really think 250,000 are still online and playing regularly thats cute.


A FPS that has a regular base of active in the thousands doesnt last. sImply cause matchimaking will fail to find players and create full matches in the same region.


People stick around because the new build was announced and people decided to eat the grind to have SP for it.

Once this goes commercial on 5/14 the its a beta excuse goes out the window. Withi it any protections it might have, if content isn't added a quicker pace over the next 6 months much of the base falls. If the game doesnt find a way to get new players in and having fun without a burdensome grind or at least make the grind fun by reducing the severity of veteran pubstomp.

Fact is the majority of players who have this undying faith in CCP and their vision happen to be people who play EVE or are simply so thirst travesing the desert that is the modern gaming industry they will drink the sand they believe to be water.

However that is a small number at best and not entirely the type of player that CCP will want to sustain this game.


Again if thats the mindset and type of player they wanted why isn't this game on PC?

Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less.

I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right.

http://dustboard.com/global

About 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad.

If you wanted to be generous with the "active" player base you added two extra zeros. 2,500 is a realistic number. How else do you explain playing the same people, getting thrown on Asia and EU servers, and huge lag spikes?

The only thing this game has going for it is that it is free!

lmao

I DISTINCTLY remember seeing an interview with a CCP rep who said they wanted Dust to be as accessible as COD or BF.

But no, lets make the game really tough to get into so we'll make less money. It's the perfect business strategy.

There are some serious nuthuggers on this forum.

Ah, Zitro. Just the person.

You're probably the poster-child of this question.


Why are you still here?

It's an honest question, I genuinely want to know why you're still here when (according to you and others) CCP has done so much wrong.

Do you stop at something you are good at? Sorry you wouldn't know that feeling

So serious question why are you still here?

I'm just gonna say this...You seem to not like the game, or even the idea of it. You've listed games you believe to be superior (BF 2142 or whatever the title is.) So why not...I dunno know...Play any of those?

Not telling you to leave or insulting you or anything, just curious...

I think it could be a great game. I don't hate Dust...it's just a game. I'd love to see it be a big success.

First stages of the beta =/= open beta. This game has been in beta since at least December 2011.

You obviously dont get the point.....the absence of a matchmaker/training/pve will kill the game because the majority of NEW players are what pay CCP $$$$$. While the pub stomping wanna b elite players dont pay $$$ for this game because they have 10mil sp. therefore attitudes like yours go about pub stomping and killing off the majority player base and capitol for CCP telling everyone to GTFO and get guud. Cmon man

Survival of the fittest doesn't work with a player base on a console fps with attention spans < a nat.

Is this game going to be supported by elite eve fanbois? No because they dont pay $$$$.



If they all GTFO then there will be no $$$$, do you understand now?

It's probably because he actually LIKES the game, an CCP (Can you believe that? Unreal right?!) Whereas you...Kinda stomp on their nuts for any given reason. We've never talked but...I'm pretty sure you'd blame CCP for global warming if you could.

ccp doesn't give two kittens if a bunch of softcore console gamers quit dust. this game will be geared towards people who don't QQ their little asses off on the forums. people who see the grand design behind what they do. people who do not want another pos shooter like cod or battlefield, or whatever else you want to throw in there.

in fact, ccp INTENDS to make this game too hard for the people who cry when they don't get exactly what they want in the 'next build'.

because those people are uneducated in the ways of the eve gods. the eve gods are firm, but fair. and if you have to deal with your favorite weapon being trash for 3 or six months, then deal with it or get a new weapon.

when life gives you lemons, you shut up and eat your damn lemons.


the more beta grinders that quit, the better the opportunity for the next class.

Its quite pathetic how ppl talk about how this game doesnt cater to the softcore casual yet at every turn you whiny lil carebear crybabies whined and moaned to prevent these things from coming to frution.

I'm not following your logic...

Do you stop at something you are good at? Sorry you wouldn't know that feeling

So serious question why are you still here?

lol. I'm here for 3 reasons.


1. I see potential. This game could be big, and based on what I've heard of EVE it will live up to the potential.
2. Whenever I play other games now, I see no meaning. There's nothing to do once you've gotten to the highest level, or killed the most people. In Dust, even if you're the best, there's rivalry.
3. It gives me the opportunity to kill ******* like you

How else do you explain playing the same people

1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too.A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players.

New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped.

TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it.

I'm pretty sure you'd blame CCP for global warming if you could.

3. You have goals that's cute, but it's not hard to kill me. Try beating me noob

Really? Destiny and CoD threats from a member of the Imps? Come on, CCP know you are not going anywhere. :D

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

The thing I love about Dust-hate from well-established, revered/feared/hated groups is it gives a my little Alliance more credibility. We've all been playing Dust for less than a year, a lot of these Dust corps are only a couple months old, a lot of the Dust Alliances are the same age. My corp has been around since '07 and my Alliance since '09. We haven't gone anywhere and we won't be going anywhere.

If/When all the CoD/Bungie fanboys jump ship, I certainly am not going anywhere.... partly because I'm a CCP fanboy, but mostly because I love Dust and EVE and keep my eyes to the future. So when all the youngster Dust Alliances failcascade and split into the established EVE ones, you can count Tso's in that number that will remain.

Scanners detect neckbeard fanboi. Perhaps you should ask yourself if you were the target demo why isn't this game on PC?

Did you buy a PS3 just for dust too, its okay we know many of you neckbeards did

Scanners detect neckbeard fanboi. Perhaps you should ask yourself if you were the target demo why isn't this game on PC?

Did you buy a PS3 just for dust too, its okay we know many of you neckbeards did

CCP didn't want to cannibalize their existing fan base, or so they claim.
I'm fairly convinced back room deals were made with lots of money exchanged, I'm not sure why anyone would develop a shooter for a console to be completely honest. At least they have KB/M support.

And yup, PS3 just for Dust, TV as well. Didn't have much use for either before.

I also keep my neckbeard tightly braided, it can pass as a necktie.

What are you going to say when Dust comes out on the PC?

It will eventually.

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ok guys you know that if they really didn't like dust then they wouldn't be playing it, all these guys are, is 1 big troll

The worst part of the whole deal is that after the shiny wears off we will have a dip in numbers and when the new expansion comes out they will all cry for a repec and extra SP because the vets are too hardcore and they can't catch up.

New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped.

TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it.

Perhaps you should ask yourself if you were the target demo why isn't this game on PC?

We like the concept of Dust. A shooter experience in an evolving persistant world where there is action and consequence.

The fatal mistake in fanboi thinking is that New Eden and by extension Dust is the only universe that will exist in the coming decade that will allow for this concept.

With PS4 it is already becoming self evident that gameing and game development is moving more towards social gaming. That means creating communities that will travel in spheres from game to game as the bonds between players become more solidified. This already exists in gaming clans.

Shooter developers are catching on to this concept and looking to hybrid the shooter genre with the persistent world model of MMO/RPG.


Defiance was one iteration of this but its a PVE game so its already meh just becuase. But dont think for a second defiance didnt have cool concepts that pushed the iteration of a Shooter MMO forward.

Note how i put shooter first because that is the genre that is the most popular on console and the most lucrative market to tap into.

Destiny though we know nothing much of it. i can assure you will be the competitor of Dust. If it allows for all the persistance, intrigue, plotting and action/consequence that Dust provide in a more polished enjoyable shooter experience the sails will get sucked out of Dust because the shooter hardcore move in waves and pockets.

The shooter vets in here are mostly MAG vets but also play BF, COD, Uncharted, KZ, Socom, R;FOM and more. They all came here because they are ready for that next evolution in shooters :PERSISTANCE and the feel that actions matter.


But if DUST fails to deliver on the shooter experience then no amount of persistance will matter to them. They will leave and not come back. And there will be competitors that will fill this gap. To bury your head in the sand and blindly put faith into any corporation is simply being foolish and dismissive of a population you may not fully understand.

And in a instanced lobby shooter game once player counts drop low enough the stability of matches suffer as the game has to stretch over the globe to populate the games and you get incredible lag and rubber banding. In fact thats is already happening so you may want to consider that in your analysis before saying this game is doing fine and will be just okay because EVE did it so can Dust. EVE had a niche to grow in without competition for quite some time, not many Spaceship MMOs when it dropped.

Plenty of FPS and soon in the coming year(s) plenty of persistant world FPS MMOs will be developed; its simply the next evolution of the genre.

Let me remind you with this.
Then to some argument making

1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too. A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players.

2. CCP is already adding a King of the hill gamemode to Uprising, along with several new weapons and dropsuits plus a complete reimbursment of SP and the ISK spent on the said skills.

3. Dooming a game is always dumb, if you really think that a set of arbitrary goals will make or break a game in this case, then you obviously have never played EVE Online. Do us a favor and just leave already, we don't like Imps anyway.+¦

I have never played EVE. I found it randomly while searching for what creative, limit pushing game devs were doing in the PC world. I read about its history , development , LONGEVITY and beautiful concept of letting gammers game.....no restrictions yet serious consequences. Best long term game concept I had ever imagined. But alas i game console....so hello DUST. I appreciate everything CCP has attempted so far and will support DUST as it grows. If you want to know whats possible in DUST just look what EVE has done in 10years. Its about the relationships, alliances, character building and yes fighting, griefing, pirates and espionage. But where the hell else in a game can you plot for years and pull off a huge heist involving game money real money and 100's of people. Or a world war started because some dude hit the wrong mouse key ( Battle of Asaki)
Just Google it..the PC gamer report is a good one for the noobs. Or we could run around on small maps killing each other for a KDR.
I know consloles cant do what the PCs can do ...but the point is...these are the same guys and I like their track record.

In order for this game .

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

Then, Let's wait for tomorrow