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Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 344	Posted - 2013.04.28 07:43:00 - [1] - Quote In order for this game to not get shredded by reviews (both formal and through word-of-mouth) and automatically fail on release (these initial reviews will stick with the game for years to come as reviewers almost never give a second chance even after major updates), the following absolutely must happen: -Smoother terrain navigation (not getting stuck on hills or against walls) -Gunplay smoothed out (improving the god-awful framerate and sluggish controls/animations) -New players given a fighting chance (adding a hands-on tutorial and nerfing certain upper-tier equipment/skills for fairness) -One of the following: A meaningful connection with EVE Online that the average player would easily be able to notice and appreciate, OR a huge stockpile of new content (including at least multiple new maps and multiple new game modes) to keep the game from getting stale (Ambush and Skirmish is NOT enough) The above is the absolute bare minimum that Dust 514 needs to get by. If any of this is missing I would be preparing to abandon ship and maybe come back a year or two down the line after the game gets a rebranding and you have a crapload of passive SP to spend. I hear Bungie is looking for beta testers for Destiny.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1045	Posted - 2013.04.28 07:51:00 - [2] - Quote New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it.
The Loathing The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2013.04.28 07:52:00 - [3] - Quote Really? Destiny and CoD threats from a member of the Imps? Come on, CCP know you are not going anywhere. :D
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 345	Posted - 2013.04.28 07:56:00 - [4] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I can have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it. Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2013.04.28 07:57:00 - [5] - Quote No no no. The fate of the game will be determined by reviews. All good games get good reviews, and bad games bad reviews, everybondy know that.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1045	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:05:00 - [6] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I can have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it. Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years. Elitist? Elitist: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources. I'm not saying i'm better than new guys, but I have spent more time on this game than them, and my gear/stats should reflect that. I have worked to earn my "OP" gear, not just be slightly better than starting character's gear, they didn't. Why are they entitled to a fair chance? Me, losing the advantage that I worked for would be "unfair" to me.
Denak Kalamari BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 106	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:07:00 - [7] - Quote Let me remind you with this. Then to some argument making 1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too. A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players. 2. CCP is already adding a King of the hill gamemode to Uprising, along with several new weapons and dropsuits plus a complete reimbursment of SP and the ISK spent on the said skills. 3. Dooming a game is always dumb, if you really think that a set of arbitrary goals will make or break a game in this case, then you obviously have never played EVE Online. Do us a favor and just leave already, we don't like Imps anyway.+¦
hooc roht Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:12:00 - [8] - Quote Don't be so melodramatic. CCP with EvE and with beta Dust 514 already has a huge player base, and they are in it for the long haul....the release is an opportunity not the end all or be all of a game that will obviously evolve over time. It can weather some lack luster reviews. I also doubt there will be horrible reviews about the game.....it is too fun to play. The worse that could happen is that reviews can say it needs more polish and/or features game modes...which wil then lead teh review to talk about how the game is going to get those features in the coming years....or they could compare it to other FPS games saying that Dust does not stand up to them because of X...but then again this will lead the review to talk about how it is different then CoD and BF3....which considering how bland those two titles are is not a bad thing. I will say that Zero Punctuation guy at the escapist will hate this game with the intensity of white star going super nova. He hates FPS games and MMOs.....of course i kind of look forward to his review of it anyway.
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 159	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:19:00 - [9] - Quote Hopefully with all the new modes, the noobstomping will be kept to a minimum, as long as there is another huge/semi-huge influx of players to allow the match maker to fill games in the correct regions with the same level players. Assuming they will have a match maker, and start putting people in with their respective regions. But, its not like we were just given all this SP, ISK, and general knowledge of the game. They had the option to start anytime in between the day of Open Beta and May 14th. And they cant say they didnt know about since it was on the Sony Store Front for like 2+ weeks and spammed in the media bar.
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort The Lions Guard 66	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:28:00 - [10] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it. this, this is the attitude that will kill the game

hooc roht Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:37:00 - [11] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it. this, this is the attitude that will kill the game I like how he thinks 3 months of grinding in an MMO during beta matters one tiny bit for what is coming over the next two years. It won't kill the kill....it won't even matter.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 176	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:40:00 - [12] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: No no no. The fate of the game will be determined by reviews. All good games get good reviews, and bad games bad reviews, everybody knows that. Except that half the entertainment media journalist are on the payroll of competing developers and will sell their own mothers for extra swag. Anyone remember the face of entertainment media journalism: http://gamechurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/doritogate.png
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1048	Posted - 2013.04.28 08:41:00 - [13] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: New players need to understand that I have spent 3 months grinding so that I could have an advantage over them. They could have done the same, all they had to do was download the Beta, didn't feel like putting up with this "crappy" game? That's too damn bad, I did put up with it, now prepare to get stomped. TL:DR, "Fairness" can suck it. this, this is the attitude that will kill the game No, you guys are right. Lets just flatten the game even more. Gotta get rid of "tiers" and all that jazz. Skill progression? We won't be needing that anymore. H'mm, while we're at it... how about everyone just has 200 HP, and we get rid of anything that isn't an assault suit? Hey how about we rename this CoD 514 while we're at it? Or maybe CoD: In Space! No CCP, don't bother fixing matchmaking or coming up with "tiered" game modes, that's just a waste of time, all you have to do is bring everything back zero
Ric Barlom On The Brink CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:01:00 - [14] - Quote You know every now and then when I'm reading these forums I come across one of these threads. What I mean with that is that it's one of those threads that just by reading the title you know that it's going to be about the supposed life and death of this game. It's almost like these people think they are holding CCP as a hostage, I mean my God there's even a list of demands usually involved in these type of threads! Now I'm definitely not a professional negotiator so you can see why I don't usually touch these type of threads with my ten inch pole! But then again you know me; I just don't give a **! So that being said I prepared a little message to the community, sort of a pep talk if you will. Now while you're reading this little message, bare in mind that it's mainly targeted to those of us who are worried about the well being and long term viability of Dust 514. I mean let's be honest here guys, since when has amateur marketing experts determined the success of a game with a list of items that "absolutely must happen" unless you want the game the get annihilated guys? I guess you must have forgot EVE online! How about an attitude of the community killing a game? Jesus Christ do some research on the community of League Of Legends! But wait there's more, and this is where it gets borderline hilarious: Destiny and Call Of Duty are going to absolutely destroy Dust 514.... Please stop it, bro! Stop it right now! Guys, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Dust 514 is no Call Of Duty. It's a thinking man's video game. And, guys, I use the word "man" specifically here. So don't be a *! Don't be a ***! Nothing wrong with constructive criticism but when you guys start to run around, screaming and panicking like my EX during her periods, that's not gonna help anyone involved! So guys keep on trucking and let's keep things rolling!! Peace out!
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 163	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:11:00 - [15] - Quote Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 626	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:15:00 - [16] - Quote The game will still be here long after the fruit-flies have all died of old age.
Warpfiend Thanos Destruction Initiative Enterprise 35	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:31:00 - [17] - Quote No, games can gain in popularity over time, like EVE
Rigor Mordis Imperial Populicide Legion 25	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:32:00 - [18] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: 1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too. A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players. 2. CCP is already adding a King of the hill gamemode to Uprising, along with several new weapons and dropsuits plus a complete reimbursment of SP and the ISK spent on the said skills. 3. Dooming a game is always dumb, if you really think that a set of arbitrary goals will make or break a game in this case, then you obviously have never played EVE Online. Do us a favor and just leave already, we don't like Imps anyway.+¦ I don't think 'nerfing' the higher tier weapons or having a completely tiered system of pub modes would do anything at all to alleviate the imbalance of the basic battle dynamic. I think problem there is the spawn mechanics and the locations. - Locations in skirmish have lacked enough cover, defenses, and distance to be able to realistically fight out of them or even escape from them. That, people, IS 'nerf'. A team gets cornered in ambush and the attackers can just keep their distance and harvest cheap kills because the cornered group spawns in the same corner. 'NERF' A spawn gives off a bright blue light and spawns DEAD, Or they are stuck on one knee for 2-3 seconds, attackers have the ability to post up at the other end of the map and pick spawns off at their original and ONLY spawn points if they are backed up. Again, 'nerf'. Are you aiming and shooting with a mouse? 'NERF'- The OP has some good points in what is/was clearly flawed. I don't think offering a game mode or modes to the LOWEST tier of players would be the worst idea in the world. A mode that was Starter and Militia gear only, would give the noobs an opportunity to learn tactics and make contacts while playing on a somewhat even field. Reviews will have nothing to do with the success of DUST as everyone knows game critics are just paid fanboys and they never really report on the issues that are important to the consumer that is a fan of a specific genre or franchise. Since DUST is f2p its success will depend on word-of-mouth advertising and the fact that it MAY INCLUDE EVERYONE in something entirely different. It won't be successful if the basic fight is flawed and all the depth of management, PC, FW, etc is reserved for only those with the head start. Don Von Hulio wrote: Hopefully with all the new modes, the noobstomping will be kept to a minimum, as long as there is another huge/semi-huge influx of players to allow the match maker to fill games in the correct regions with the same level players. Assuming they will have a match maker, and start putting people in with their respective regions. But, its not like we were just given all this SP, ISK, and general knowledge of the game. They had the option to start anytime in between the day of Open Beta and May 14th. And they cant say they didnt know about since it was on the Sony Store Front for like 2+ weeks and spammed in the media bar. The media bar is like dropping a stack of flyers, face down, and expecting people to read one and put it back right before the train leaves. 2-5 seconds in the media bar that is only visible while in the XMB menu is hardly getting the word out and giving EVERYONE an opportunity to grind. I think that is a non-issue considering the thousands that did get the memo, tried it out for a while, hated it for whatever reason, and no longer play. They plugged this thing as MMO FPS, not MMO, or MMO RPG. To this point, it has been geared toward people who like 'nerf', not people who like good tactical and balanced gameplay. The economics in this build took away a lot of peoples incentive as I outline here #113. No incentive to ' level up' and start buying proto gear unless you have a fat wallet on an EVE toon. There was a lot in this build that was just plain stupid yet fanboys just wax the pole anyway. Someone refered to the 'massive following'. 500k subscribers to an RPG is among the best in the genre of P2P RPGs. 500k mercs playing online at all hours for the first 2 weeks after release is what your Cods, BFs, Halos, MAGs, average give or take. You can tell the Imps to leave, but that's who everyone is counting on to make this thing successful; to make some SERIOUS dough on top of the pittance that space fanboys provide them. From a business standpoint, its an obvious decision whether or not to gear this toward the hardcore FPS enthusiast, or the softcore RPG enthusiast. We will see after the build launches. I am eager to see the point when they have an actual SOLID shooter on their hands, and the sissies that can't hang go back to pointing and clicking in space or sewing their next comicon costume. Ohhh, how the 'whining' tables would turn.
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 85	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:54:00 - [19] - Quote This game is barely keeping ahead of defiance -_-. It will be destroyed by destiny. Word of mouth for this game is terrible, even if they do add new content, and make a noticeable connection, the terrible support and improper nerfing and buffing of equipment has utterly destroyed this game. CCP tried but failed, the MMO elements outscale the FPS elements. You can be as good as you want with your aim, be as clever as you want, but the old, heavy, numnuts will beat the new, nimble, genius, simply because he has more health and hits harder because of the skill system. The only real FPS element in this game is the fact that guns are involved in the damaging process. FPS are based on personal reflexes, patience, and finding a weapon that suits your playstyle. MMOs are about veterancy and skill allocation. It will not matter if you aim better in dust, nor if you get the jump on your enemy, if youre standard taking on a proto youre ******. It's ok though, CCP makes enough money to sustain EVE and Dust, so they're doing something right somewhere. Must be more MMO players than FPS players
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1092	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:58:00 - [20] - Quote I don't really expect dramatic changes with the new build. I do expect to see some new features and content. But other than that, manus peak will still be manus peak. Line Harvest will still be line harvest. We are only getting one new game mode. Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare should be interesting enough to keep us motivated until the next update. We have new dropsuits and such which will add more variety to the game and customization. Graphics will be better but the maps will still be the same. But they will be new for to new players, if you choose to look at it in that way. I mean, it isn't going to be a total rehaul and I hope that players are aware of that. I don't want people to expect a totally new game and then find a lot of the old stuff and be heavily disappointed.

hooc roht Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.28 10:59:00 - [21] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point. Open beta started in January. lets see: January February March April May 14th That is 5 months.... Really less then 4 months as it came out in late January and comes out of beta in mid May but i will give you those two months for calculation purposes. Since when is 5 months "well over a year"?
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 165	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:03:00 - [22] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point. Open beta started in January. lets see: January February March April May 14th That is 5 months.... Really less then 4 months as it came out in late January and comes out of beta in mid May but i will give you those two months for calculation purposes. Since when is 5 months "well over a year"? First stages of the beta =/= open beta. This game has been in beta since at least December 2011.
Hecarim Van Hohen The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 24	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:05:00 - [23] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: -New players given a fighting chance (adding a hands-on tutorial and nerfing certain upper-tier equipment/skills for fairness) Fairness? Really? Agreed on the other points but fairness? No.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1093	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:11:00 - [24] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point. Open beta started in January. lets see: January February March April May 14th That is 5 months.... Really less then 4 months as it came out in late January and comes out of beta in mid May but i will give you those two months for calculation purposes. Since when is 5 months "well over a year"? Try to be more careful when youre trying to get cool points. Most people have been in the beta since Feb of last year and the closed beta has been open before then.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 370	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:38:00 - [25] - Quote I suspect you might need reminding that your name is made up and does not actually describe you or your abilities. It is for a game and because it is better than calling you Kitten Breath 459102334. But barely.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1197	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:42:00 - [26] - Quote Man, how the hell do I keep finding this same thread over and over again..? I think we'll be just fine without you if you want to leave. There's definitely no shortage of players, that's for sure. Trying to find the right corporation is a hassle as it is, so I would say that the game isn't expanding it's content fast enough to keep up with the player base by comparison to not having enough or having some miraculous threat of suddenly not pulling in new players. You can't determine the fate of the game "in two weeks" because it's ever evolving with free expansions. You think Eve Online was determined "in two weeks"? Hell no, ten years later we have HALF A MILLION capsuleers - this game isn't going anywhere. People will find things they like and things they don't like but once they're in it, they're inevitably trapped and WILL come back when new content comes out. That's just the nature of the New Eden Beast.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 877	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:44:00 - [27] - Quote What a dumb thread. /applauds
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 165	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:46:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: There's definitely no shortage of players, that's for sure. I hope you're trolling.
Kalante Schiffer Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 204	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:46:00 - [29] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Call of Duty has gotten pretty good over the years. cant believe you said that
Kalante Schiffer Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 204	Posted - 2013.04.28 11:48:00 - [30] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: There's definitely no shortage of players, that's for sure. I hope you're trolling. well i come from rfom (a dead game) so having over 300 people online its pretty f*cking good enough for me LOL.



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