Dust is about finding your own role, and becoming good at it. What you're describing is pretty much the CoD style of progression. In Dust, you don't get good at everything. You will lose to those who risk more than you.

If someone is using prototype gear, simple focus fire (and skill) should take him out easily, and even if you lost 3 suits, he still lost more in terms of ISK (and potentially AUR) than you.

Aside from that, I'd like to know your opinion of the game if you've seen any gameplay of Uprising. Your previous critisizms were interesting.

Looks like as good a place as any to drop this.

Problem.
Sluggish controls.... spot on OP.

CoD is fluid controls. Halo is fluid Controls. BF3 is Fluid Controls.

These are the reasons they are successful. Has nothing to do with how shallow the meta game is.
An FPS could have the most basic parts... a gun and a person to shoot at. No story, No levels, No equipment, NOTHING!

But if it's controls are fluid. IT WILL SUCCEED!

This is the number one issue with Dust.

Controls should be an extension of the players thoughts. Not something you have to spend days, weeks, months or even a year adapting too.
Pick up and play... Ever heard of it?

Just because a game is easy to "Pickup and Play" Doesn't mean it can't have RPG elements added to it.
Doesn't mean a game can't have "DEPTH"


But...
It's those RPG elements that is the second major problem with this game.

I could get into a long drawn out explanation as to how the RPG elements create a severe inbalance between vets and news players.. but I won't. I'm sure you've seen or heard every point of that argument. So I'll go a different route.

Why does "Depth" in an RPG/MMO.... always translate into "Time Invested"?

Remove the "Time-Invested" part of the RPG equation and you have yourself a Great RPG-FPS-MMO.

Take a game like Shadowrun as an example.
Shadowrun had alot of great ideas, as to how to turn an FPS game into something more than just running around and shooting.
Shadowrun had ALOT of Depth to it. It did not require a "Time-Invested" mechanic seperating players from each other.
I didn't have to play for a month before I could attempt to start using certain elements of the game. Just about every element in the game was accessible to me from the very moment I turned the game on.

This is not the case with EVE and Dust.
"Time-Invested" does nothing more than to say....
"We're only going to give you 10% of the total game, until you invest more time in me, at which point I'll slowly unlock the rest of the cool stuff ."

"Time-Invested" is the dumbest mechanic to ever infest the gaming industry in general.
Remember that our lives on this planet is finite. We don't live forever.
So I don't need a game arbitrarily taking up a good portion of my life to simulate "Depth"

Just think about it. Imagine a game with all the depth of an RPG, allowing for people to differentiate themselves from one another, without have to "Invest Time".
Now also imagine this game having enough depth to keep people coming back, to try new builds and tactics.




Now let's go back to the "Time-Invested" mechanic.
It's a shallow attempt to make the game appear to retain players, not because the amount of different things you can do.... but more because it takes you forever to get to something new.

Which the only outcome of time-invested is this...
"I put my time in, I deserve to pubstomp you because of it"

IE, beaten because of Time invested,not because of Skill, tactics, or choices.

That is a recipe for failure.
Because in my book.....

Catering to a crowd that in one breath calls most casual players "Entitled"... and in the next breath say they should be entitled to things like "Killstreaks" is bad....mmmkay!

Yes, I basically just lumped Elitest Dust/EVE players into the same category of Elitest COD players.
Because there is no difference, you're all pretty much losers.

No Grind = Can't beat tougher people

Can't beat tougher people = You get smashed

Bye.

Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.

So I say if you dont like dust GTFO.
If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO.
If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.

I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.

Can you explain the cost? How do you know its soooo expensive? This argument is irrelevant consider we are talking about a f2p game.

As for the learning curve... . If eve has survived 10 years..... im pretty sure dust will be fine.

Also tone it down with the "large player base" ..... their will always be people downloading this game. People will read or hear a review and wonder good or bad if they might like it enough to wade through the bullshit and put time into a game that rewards those who PUT TIME into the game.

Ill be honest I hated this game when I first played it.... but that was about a year ago and I stuck through it because i like the people i play with. Now when im not playing dust I wish I was blasting someones face off.

Dust just like eve rewards those who dedicate time.... once people realise this instead of trying to nerf this or change that this game will be huge.

I'm just gonna say this...You seem to not like the game, or even the idea of it. You've listed games you believe to be superior (BF 2142 or whatever the title is.) So why not...I dunno know...Play any of those?

Not telling you to leave or insulting you or anything, just curious...