The "winning" isn't enough? Maybe unlocking a new tier of weapon attachments? Maybe the ability to sprint further? You know, things that don't completely **** all over the balance of the game?

Does it have to be superior armour or something that makes it easier for you to mop up people with inferior gear?

Honestly?

I agree FREE will always bring someone in. But how do you keep that noob around while everyone who is hopefully STILL playing is involved in the 'macro'?

That TV show game is different and actually adheres more to the MMO moniker because it is open world PvE/PvP. To do a short comparison based on both betas. Trion kicks CCP like a dog in the graphics and variety departments. CCP kicks Trion like a dog in the shooter mechanics and potential to pull in the hardcore FPS group. They even in the physics areas especially vehicle maneuvering. Not great there.

FREE is also a turn-off to many. F2P typically means doo doo.

Dust is about finding your own role, and becoming good at it. What you're describing is pretty much the CoD style of progression. In Dust, you don't get good at everything. You will lose to those who risk more than you.

If someone is using prototype gear, simple focus fire (and skill) should take him out easily, and even if you lost 3 suits, he still lost more in terms of ISK (and potentially AUR) than you.

Aside from that, I'd like to know your opinion of the game if you've seen any gameplay of Uprising. Your previous critisizms were interesting.

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

Excellent OP.

Really sums it up in such a succinct manner.

Still can't believe how many people can't understand the simple fact that having any kind of statistical advantage in an FPS is extremely bad for the balance of the game.

The only deciding factor should be player skill/aim.

Of course, you gotta have something to entice people to pony up for that Aurum eh?

Have fun playing with the like 12 other people who share the same elitist mindset as you for the next 2 years.

You do know that people still play MAG right?

The fate of Dust514 has been determined when CCP decided to make it a Pay2Win model.

It wont work. , not on PS3.

Yeah we know

Really its players like you that damage the game and have stifled it from becoming a great experience with needless comparison to the growth of EVE and how Dust will mimic it because CCP is amazing and they deliver on every promise they have ever made and have never screwed anything up and because console players are patient, nurturing and willing to give developers 2,3 heck even 5 years of their time to a company or are the type to say hey you know what this game has passive SP maybe ill check back on it in 6 months. Yea not if another game has captured their attention. Most importantly consolers don't do second chances. They have been patient with CCP because they do great hype and they've allowed the its a beta mantra to cushion the blow. Launch means no more its a beta excuse to hide behind. Its put up or shut up. .

Looks like as good a place as any to drop this.

Problem.
Sluggish controls.... spot on OP.

CoD is fluid controls. Halo is fluid Controls. BF3 is Fluid Controls.

These are the reasons they are successful. Has nothing to do with how shallow the meta game is.
An FPS could have the most basic parts... a gun and a person to shoot at. No story, No levels, No equipment, NOTHING!

But if it's controls are fluid. IT WILL SUCCEED!

This is the number one issue with Dust.

Controls should be an extension of the players thoughts. Not something you have to spend days, weeks, months or even a year adapting too.
Pick up and play... Ever heard of it?

Just because a game is easy to "Pickup and Play" Doesn't mean it can't have RPG elements added to it.
Doesn't mean a game can't have "DEPTH"


But...
It's those RPG elements that is the second major problem with this game.

I could get into a long drawn out explanation as to how the RPG elements create a severe inbalance between vets and news players.. but I won't. I'm sure you've seen or heard every point of that argument. So I'll go a different route.

Why does "Depth" in an RPG/MMO.... always translate into "Time Invested"?

Remove the "Time-Invested" part of the RPG equation and you have yourself a Great RPG-FPS-MMO.

Take a game like Shadowrun as an example.
Shadowrun had alot of great ideas, as to how to turn an FPS game into something more than just running around and shooting.
Shadowrun had ALOT of Depth to it. It did not require a "Time-Invested" mechanic seperating players from each other.
I didn't have to play for a month before I could attempt to start using certain elements of the game. Just about every element in the game was accessible to me from the very moment I turned the game on.

This is not the case with EVE and Dust.
"Time-Invested" does nothing more than to say....
"We're only going to give you 10% of the total game, until you invest more time in me, at which point I'll slowly unlock the rest of the cool stuff ."

"Time-Invested" is the dumbest mechanic to ever infest the gaming industry in general.
Remember that our lives on this planet is finite. We don't live forever.
So I don't need a game arbitrarily taking up a good portion of my life to simulate "Depth"

Just think about it. Imagine a game with all the depth of an RPG, allowing for people to differentiate themselves from one another, without have to "Invest Time".
Now also imagine this game having enough depth to keep people coming back, to try new builds and tactics.




Now let's go back to the "Time-Invested" mechanic.
It's a shallow attempt to make the game appear to retain players, not because the amount of different things you can do.... but more because it takes you forever to get to something new.

Which the only outcome of time-invested is this...
"I put my time in, I deserve to pubstomp you because of it"

IE, beaten because of Time invested,not because of Skill, tactics, or choices.

That is a recipe for failure.
Because in my book.....

Catering to a crowd that in one breath calls most casual players "Entitled"... and in the next breath say they should be entitled to things like "Killstreaks" is bad....mmmkay!

Yes, I basically just lumped Elitest Dust/EVE players into the same category of Elitest COD players.
Because there is no difference, you're all pretty much losers.

Oh and as an example...when you played a game in MAG and came across a DOMINATING clan. You knew you weren't being beaten because they had better gear. You were being beaten because they were better organised and were faster with the analogues.

That for me is a deciding factor on whether I'll play Dust. I don't have time to grind up and I'm not going to pay to compete. If I feel I'm being browbeaten for not doing either, then I'll just delete it.

No Grind = Can't beat tougher people

Can't beat tougher people = You get smashed

Bye.

I'm sure the CEO of CCP will a nice big tongue hole cut out for you under his chair at the next Fanfest.

Looks like as good a place as any to drop this.

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Yes, I basically just lumped Elitest Dust/EVE players into the same category of Elitest COD players.
Because there is no difference, you're all pretty much losers.

And to all of you higher sp beta tester tuff guys strutting in this thread, are you kidding me? Tell me you're kidding me. Are you seriously going to continue to squad up and fight instant battles just so you can stomp new players? Are you really that pathetic? Did you really just spend the last three months grinding the beta just so you could win agains someone who may have never played the game before? Just sad. Really sad.

Haha, no, I was kidding. I grind so that I don't get stomped myself. I have no interest in stomping newbies, since that doesn't actually mean anything.

However, notice that I said "so I don't get stomped myself". I fully expect to be at a disadvantage when I go up against someone who's played longer/more than me and therefore has better gear. I think that's how it should be, and it adds to the uniqueness of the game. If I wanted to play another flat shooter, then I'd be playing CoD, BF or HF. What drew me to this game was the unique combination of RPG and FPS elements, along with the skill progression system, and anything that further flattens the games is a step in the wrong direction IMHO.

Clearly CCP is doing something write since so many including the OP actually care about the fate of the game still. Me on the other hand has stopped caring awhile ago

Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.

So I say if you dont like dust GTFO.
If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO.
If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.

I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.

So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.