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Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:53:00 -
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Anyone have any idea what the current numbers are? |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
323
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:54:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.
So I say if you dont like dust GTFO. If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO. If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.
I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....
So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.
lol So lacking in understanding. There is nothing complicated about Dust at all. Nothing more complicated than any other FPS out there right now. It's currently a third rate Battlefield knock off. In fact, Section 8:Prejudice has more complicated core game elements than Dust has. It's a lobby shooter with some ties to an MMO. Dust has an enormously complicated skill tree system which players either love, or hate. A quick scan around the internet on any gaming forum will show you divisive this feature is. There's a core of people here who seem to think that Dust belongs to them and only them because they were testing from the beginning. The bizarre logic of GTFO just doesn't wash. Many new people will download the client next month and like most console players, will give it about 1-2 hours of their time to make an impact. If they are continuously getting stomped by people because of a stat advantage and not because of a skill deficit they'll likely abandon it. Less players, less income. How do you think the press will react to a disparity like this? I'm sure if CCP don't do something to address the different you'll have those challenging matches with your hardcore buddies, no question. So don't worry, you'll be able to feel fantastic about telling guys like me who might get to play 1-2 hours a week to "GTFO". I'm certain the future development costs will just pay for themselves. After all, what game needs a thriving playerbase?
Obviously you never heard of or played eve online.....
Last time I checked dust is f2p.....
Look at eve's learning curve.....
CCP makes enough money from eve micro transactions alone to support dust for the next 10 years...
The "elite" player base is bigger than most people think.
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Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:59:00 -
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...and where did you get that information from?
How much has Dust cost to develop? How much will it cost to maintain? How much will future development cost? The transition to PS4 and other platforms?
Explain to me how EVE's steep learning curve benefits a F2P FPS shooter that will require a large player base in any way.
Go ahead. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
812
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:08:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.
So I say if you dont like dust GTFO. If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO. If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.
I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....
So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.
lol So lacking in understanding. There is nothing complicated about Dust at all. Nothing more complicated than any other FPS out there right now. It's currently a third rate Battlefield knock off. In fact, Section 8:Prejudice has more complicated core game elements than Dust has. It's a lobby shooter with some ties to an MMO. Dust has an enormously complicated skill tree system which players either love, or hate. A quick scan around the internet on any gaming forum will show you divisive this feature is. There's a core of people here who seem to think that Dust belongs to them and only them because they were testing from the beginning. The bizarre logic of GTFO just doesn't wash. Many new people will download the client next month and like most console players, will give it about 1-2 hours of their time to make an impact. If they are continuously getting stomped by people because of a stat advantage and not because of a skill deficit they'll likely abandon it. Less players, less income. How do you think the press will react to a disparity like this? I'm sure if CCP don't do something to address the different you'll have those challenging matches with your hardcore buddies, no question. So don't worry, you'll be able to feel fantastic about telling guys like me who might get to play 1-2 hours a week to "GTFO". I'm certain the future development costs will just pay for themselves. After all, what game needs a thriving playerbase?
'Battlefield knock off'? If you statement is in reference to to similarities to bf 2142 ......you ARE aware that a % of the team who developed dust are in actual fact EX DICE DEVELOPERS right? I mean, surely you can't be that f***ing thick to now know that. Or if your statement is just purely aimed at the battlefield series altogether, has it not dawned on you that said ex dice employees have created dust in their vision of what battlefield should have been? Dust outshines BF in every sense of the word.
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Wicked Glory
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
166
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:12:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote: Dust outshines BF in every sense of the word.
Except in being a successful and well-made FPS game. |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
324
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:14:00 -
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Can you explain the cost? How do you know its soooo expensive? This argument is irrelevant consider we are talking about a f2p game.
As for the learning curve... . If eve has survived 10 years..... im pretty sure dust will be fine.
Also tone it down with the "large player base" ..... their will always be people downloading this game. People will read or hear a review and wonder good or bad if they might like it enough to wade through the bullshit and put time into a game that rewards those who PUT TIME into the game.
Ill be honest I hated this game when I first played it.... but that was about a year ago and I stuck through it because i like the people i play with. Now when im not playing dust I wish I was blasting someones face off.
Dust just like eve rewards those who dedicate time.... once people realise this instead of trying to nerf this or change that this game will be huge. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:18:00 -
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Don't get offended.
Dust doesn't outshine anything about Battlefield. Sound design, graphics, feel...you name it, Battlefield is superior. I know that's hard to read but like it or not, it's the truth.
I don't even like Battlefield.
Also, before you go calling someone "thick" at least contribute something relevant to the discussion.
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Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:22:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Can you explain the cost? How do you know its soooo expensive? This argument is irrelevant consider we are talking about a f2p game.
As for the learning curve... . If eve has survived 10 years..... im pretty sure dust will be fine.
Also tone it down with the "large player base" ..... their will always be people downloading this game. People will read or hear a review and wonder good or bad if they might like it enough to wade through the bullshit and put time into a game that rewards those who PUT TIME into the game.
Ill be honest I hated this game when I first played it.... but that was about a year ago and I stuck through it because i like the people i play with. Now when im not playing dust I wish I was blasting someones face off.
Dust just like eve rewards those who dedicate time.... once people realise this instead of trying to nerf this or change that this game will be huge.
You didn't answer a single question.
I haven't used to word "nerf" once in this thread. So again, you are just assuming things.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1099
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:24:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:ITT: People QQ about fairness in New Eden.
Man, my jaw hurts from laughing so much. or maybe its the other thing, but probably the laughing.
I don't even want to ask what the other thing is lol |
Crash Monster
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:25:00 -
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Watching the keynote and seeing how CCP plans to create greater and greater integration between EVE and DUST (as they both inhabit the same notional space) I don't see how you can argue against the EVE perspective on this.
There will be complex skill trees.
There will be differences between capabilities based on skill tree investment.
I'll admit that DUST may not be an easy place for new people to get into if there are a ton of elites around. However, with tons of other new players -- and without a year of stroking an e-Peen -- these folks won't get all whiny about having to respawn a few times as they learn to play.
And if they do, well, everyone has the same hurdles to get over. |
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undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
325
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:26:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Can you explain the cost? How do you know its soooo expensive? This argument is irrelevant consider we are talking about a f2p game.
As for the learning curve... . If eve has survived 10 years..... im pretty sure dust will be fine.
Also tone it down with the "large player base" ..... their will always be people downloading this game. People will read or hear a review and wonder good or bad if they might like it enough to wade through the bullshit and put time into a game that rewards those who PUT TIME into the game.
Ill be honest I hated this game when I first played it.... but that was about a year ago and I stuck through it because i like the people i play with. Now when im not playing dust I wish I was blasting someones face off.
Dust just like eve rewards those who dedicate time.... once people realise this instead of trying to nerf this or change that this game will be huge. You didn't answer a single question. I haven't used to word "nerf" once in this thread. So again, you are just assuming things.
Lol I was talking about someone else saying nerf. Fact of the matter is dust will be fine, people will play some will have fun some wont... I know I will have fun untill elder scrolls online comes out then im on dust hiatus.
As much as id like to argue with you I concede defeat you are forum king grats im out. |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1278
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:28:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Clearly CCP is doing something write since so many including the OP actually care about the fate of the game still. Me on the other hand has stopped caring awhile ago You only stopped caring cause your PS3 broke lol. |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1278
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:30:00 -
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Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less.
I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right.
http://dustboard.com/global
About 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad. |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
325
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:35:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right. http://dustboard.com/globalAbout 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad.
Their you go again using logic..... stop it. Your going to make peoples brains hurt icy. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:45:00 -
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lol
You didn't use any logic. You just posted a bunch of baseless stuff and then you backed off when you were asked to verify it. |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
325
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:46:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:lol
You didn't use any logic. You just posted a bunch of baseless stuff and then you backed off when you were asked to verify it.
Your still here? Maybe you should spend less time on the forums and more time playing. .. |
54rffv
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:50:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.
So I say if you dont like dust GTFO. If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO. If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.
I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....
So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.
You obviously dont get the point.....the absence of a matchmaker/training/pve will kill the game because the majority of NEW players are what pay CCP $$$$$. While the pub stomping wanna b elite players dont pay $$$ for this game because they have 10mil sp. therefore attitudes like yours go about pub stomping and killing off the majority player base and capitol for CCP telling everyone to GTFO and get guud. Cmon man
Survival of the fittest doesn't work with a player base on a console fps with attention spans < a nat.
Is this game going to be supported by elite eve fanbois? No because they dont pay $$$$.
If they all GTFO then there will be no $$$$, do you understand now?
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Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:51:00 -
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Blimey. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
139
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:51:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right. http://dustboard.com/globalAbout 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad. Their you go again using logic..... stop it. Your going to make peoples brains hurt icy.
How many are still active?
You really think 250,000 are still online and playing regularly thats cute.
A FPS that has a regular base of active in the thousands doesnt last. sImply cause matchimaking will fail to find players and create full matches in the same region.
People stick around because the new build was announced and people decided to eat the grind to have SP for it.
Once this goes commercial on 5/14 the its a beta excuse goes out the window. Withi it any protections it might have, if content isn't added a quicker pace over the next 6 months much of the base falls. If the game doesnt find a way to get new players in and having fun without a burdensome grind or at least make the grind fun by reducing the severity of veteran pubstomp.
Fact is the majority of players who have this undying faith in CCP and their vision happen to be people who play EVE or are simply so thirst travesing the desert that is the modern gaming industry they will drink the sand they believe to be water.
However that is a small number at best and not entirely the type of player that CCP will want to sustain this game.
Again if thats the mindset and type of player they wanted why isn't this game on PC? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:54:00 -
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Wicked Glory wrote:Moejoe dropping another logic bomb, only to get ignored by ccp and shitposted at by ccp dickriders. It's been well over a year since the first stages of beta for this game and the changes have been minimal. There's really no hope at this point.
lol |
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undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
325
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:57:00 -
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54rffv wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Funny thing is im sure most of us closed beta vets could care less if we pub stomp noobs.... I remember when we didnt even have squads...... I remember when every game I played was against the dust elite. I want those days back, I want to fight good people every single game. I want to face imps,pfbhz, not guilty, stb, hellstorm.... I want to have battles that have you sitting on the edge of your chair screaming at your TV.... I want to look at the scoreboard and smile because both teams are stacked and this battle is going to be a good one.
So I say if you dont like dust GTFO. If you are crying about getting stomped by people who have 11m sp GTFO. If your crying about the game being to complicated seriously GTFO.
I want that challenge back from closed beta... I want my adrenaline to pump as I shoot it out with good players....
So all you "noob friendly nerf proto" people need to leave. Im sure most of us could care less if all the noobs left and dust was full of vets again.
You obviously dont get the point.....the absence of a matchmaker/training/pve will kill the game because the majority of NEW players are what pay CCP $$$$$. While the pub stomping wanna b elite players dont pay $$$ for this game because they have 10mil sp. therefore attitudes like yours go about pub stomping and killing off the majority player base and capitol for CCP telling everyone to GTFO and get guud. Cmon man Survival of the fittest doesn't work with a player base on a console fps with attention spans < a nat. Is this game going to be supported by elite eve fanbois? No because they dont pay $$$$. If they all GTFO then there will be no $$$$, do you understand now?
As icy posted obove you 250, 000 people say otherwise..... when ccp puts micro transactions into dust they will make millions. When the player market is released ccp will make millions.
Noobs will always be around maybe not in such huge numbers but they will still DL dust and play it.
Chill out dust will be fine im sure ccp will find a way to help the noobs understand dust better, but even then they will still be stomped in pubs. Sp gap is always going to be around.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1075
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:58:00 -
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If no one plays Dust, the how did PRO get so big? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right. http://dustboard.com/globalAbout 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad. Their you go again using logic..... stop it. Your going to make peoples brains hurt icy. How many are still active? You really think 250,000 are still online and playing regularly thats cute. A FPS that has a regular base of active in the thousands doesnt last. sImply cause matchimaking will fail to find players and create full matches in the same region. People stick around because the new build was announced and people decided to eat the grind to have SP for it. Once this goes commercial on 5/14 the its a beta excuse goes out the window. Withi it any protections it might have, if content isn't added a quicker pace over the next 6 months much of the base falls. If the game doesnt find a way to get new players in and having fun without a burdensome grind or at least make the grind fun by reducing the severity of veteran pubstomp. Fact is the majority of players who have this undying faith in CCP and their vision happen to be people who play EVE or are simply so thirst travesing the desert that is the modern gaming industry they will drink the sand they believe to be water. However that is a small number at best and not entirely the type of player that CCP will want to sustain this game. Again if thats the mindset and type of player they wanted why isn't this game on PC?
ccp doesn't give two kittens if a bunch of softcore console gamers quit dust. this game will be geared towards people who don't QQ their little asses off on the forums. people who see the grand design behind what they do. people who do not want another pos shooter like cod or battlefield, or whatever else you want to throw in there.
in fact, ccp INTENDS to make this game too hard for the people who cry when they don't get exactly what they want in the 'next build'.
because those people are uneducated in the ways of the eve gods. the eve gods are firm, but fair. and if you have to deal with your favorite weapon being trash for 3 or six months, then deal with it or get a new weapon.
when life gives you lemons, you shut up and eat your damn lemons.
the more beta grinders that quit, the better the opportunity for the next class. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
202
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:00:00 -
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all those players that played a few games in the early beta and stopped are going to return to millions of SP, so we might see a larger sustained playerbase when it's released |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:02:00 -
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250k. I very much doubt that there's that many active players.
No way to get accurate numbers I suppose. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:06:00 -
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lmao
I DISTINCTLY remember seeing an interview with a CCP rep who said they wanted Dust to be as accessible as COD or BF.
But no, lets make the game really tough to get into so we'll make less money. It's the perfect business strategy.
There are some serious nuthuggers on this forum. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
485
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:12:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right. http://dustboard.com/globalAbout 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad.
If you wanted to be generous with the "active" player base you added two extra zeros. 2,500 is a realistic number. How else do you explain playing the same people, getting thrown on Asia and EU servers, and huge lag spikes?
The only thing this game has going for it is that it is free! |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1278
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:13:00 -
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250 K is a ballpark number, as we know, I'm exaggerating greatly and assuming that about 75% quit and 50% are alts.
250 k is a good number for a game to run. If PRO can get 150 guys on at one time out of 1000, that's pretty good. 1/10. 250k/10 = 25 000 people on at any time.
Again, I'm always assuming.
Any facts you care to bring up?
Also, I am agreeing with some of your points, and people are spouting bulls*** on both sides of the topic. |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1278
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:15:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Beast. I said 3 months ago, that Dust would fail if an update didn't come out in the next week. I said the same thing last year. Apparently, people care enough about a Beta to play it for about a year, more or less. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But something must've been done right. http://dustboard.com/globalAbout 2 million accounts made. Lets say 75% is gone, and 50% of the remainder are alts. Still about 250 000. Not bad. If you wanted to be generous with the "active" player base you added two extra zeros. 2,500 is a realistic number. How else do you explain playing the same people, getting thrown on Asia and EU servers, and huge lag spikes? The only thing this game has going for it is that it is free!
Ah, Zitro. Just the person.
You're probably the poster-child of this question.
Why are you still here?
It's an honest question, I genuinely want to know why you're still here when (according to you and others) CCP has done so much wrong. |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:17:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:lmao
I DISTINCTLY remember seeing an interview with a CCP rep who said they wanted Dust to be as accessible as COD or BF.
But no, lets make the game really tough to get into so we'll make less money. It's the perfect business strategy.
There are some serious nuthuggers on this forum.
I'm just gonna say this...You seem to not like the game, or even the idea of it. You've listed games you believe to be superior (BF 2142 or whatever the title is.) So why not...I dunno know...Play any of those?
Not telling you to leave or insulting you or anything, just curious... |
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