Over 500 is I have 10million SP and put complex mods on it. get the **** out of here idiot.

saw an assault with 700+ health through my scope yesterday. that is too damn high.

Over 500 is I have 10million SP and put complex mods on it. get the **** out of here idiot.

ur all butthurt cuz u want a dominant suit but u dont respond to the OP. 500 shields for that suit is way 2 high.

ur all butthurt cuz u want a dominant suit but u dont respond to the OP. 500 shields for that suit is way 2 high.

how in the mother of f*ck can you fit over 500 shields into a type II suit? if so i want to know.

its not hard, a guy from PSU.com has one. I was in his squad recently and was shocked to see it.

shield control level 5, 3 complex extenders.................................the sad part? he still has room for a complex damage mod.

The type II suit cant fit over 500 shields. only Vk1's and most ar players dont even use armor because it slows them down, so lets say thats over 620 hp.

the sad part? he still has room for a complex damage mod.

when i say type 2 I mean the whole family of variants. meaning the type II, the B series and the VK1.

keep in mind the movement penalty doesnt affect them as much because they are faster to begin with. they can still stack armor and be faster than anything but a scout or assault with speed mods. but guess who wins in a gunfight? the fast shield recharge just adds insult to injury.

its not hard, a guy from PSU.com has one. I was in his squad recently and was shocked to see it.

shield control level 5, 3 complex extenders.................................the sad part? he still has room for a complex damage mod.

we need to get this under control now by lowering the assault shields to the 185 range. Shields are dominant in this game and giving any assault suit this much power is horrible balance.

HMG does more DPS if you win a gunfight it's because you're BAD not because they're using OP stuffs.

when i say type 2 I mean the whole family of variants. meaning the type II, the B series and the VK1.

keep in mind the movement penalty doesnt affect them as much because they are faster to begin with. they can still stack armor and be faster than anything but a scout or assault with speed mods. but guess who wins in a gunfight? the fast shield recharge just adds insult to injury.

Sometimes armor is just better than shields (flux, lasers, ARs)

flux?

flux?

Sorry for the double post, but do you even know whet your talking about... LOL.

Firstly, Speed mods only effect sprint speed. Not movement.

Secondly, in a Gunfight as long as fire is sustained no, there will be no recharge.

225x1.25=281.25
2x complex shield extenders = 132
max shield you can fit on a type II suit = 413.25

add a 3rd complex on a B series
413.25+66=479.25

4th on aproto
479.25+66=545


so yes, a Proto suit, using pure proto tank, can break 500 shield HP, at the complete cost of any and all damage.

I don' think the problem is too much shields, I think it is too much armor. Type-II is shield based, their downside SHOULD be having zero, or very nearly zero, armor. That way they have the upside of having a high EHP and speed, but are fodder for anyone using flux, lasers, etc.

.....the Type 2 suit [meaning the type II, the b series and the VK1].....

Why is every dust bunny illiterate? All of you saying the type-II can't get 500 shields, even though he specifically said this beforehand.

Why is every dust bunny illiterate? All of you saying the type-II can't get 500 shields, even though he specifically said this beforehand.

You are drunk duster blog, go home.

413 shields on a maxed type-11. It takes 13 bullets from a militia ar to drop them, 1 flux, or a laser looking at your wrong. Not to mention a shotgun is a ohk.

You are drunk duster blog, go home.

413 shields on a maxed type-11. It takes 13 bullets from a militia ar to drop them, 1 flux, or a laser looking at your wrong. Not to mention a shotgun is a ohk.

that was not there when he made the thread, but if you paid close attention to the whole deal here you can see me objecting that you cant fit over 500 shields to a type II suit which i said it is total bs, and that is when he later claimed "meaning the type II, the b series and the VK1" he knew that he messed up. lol

atleast pretend to be smart. why would I give an example with 4 high slots for a suit that only has two? or did I edit that in too?

So here are some basic maths (just cause I want to be fair for once )

A type-II suit with lvl 5 Field mechanics and shield control:

225 x 1.25 + 105 x 1.25 = 412.5 EHP

A type-I suit:
125 x 1.25 + 175 x 1.25 = 375 EHP

The problem here is obvious, type 1 suits suck, buff them... along with everything else in the game.

Edit: If you give the type-I 130 shields and 200 armor it will have 412.5 EHP, just like the type-II. My 4th grade math teacher can suck it!

i'm sorry if some peoples secret fit got outted but its the truth.

lol DUSTERS blog reaching for hits.

I feel like its complex shield extenders that are the problem, not the base shields on b series assault suits.

Basic - 11, Enhanced - 22, Complex... 66? Why such a huge jump from enhanced to complex? And there is no stacking penalty for extenders either.

that still doesnt address the fact that those type 2 suits dont give up anything. they are fast and have high shields. also they shouldnt be within 200 points of a heavy in shields or armor. No suit should.

while shields remain this dominant that suit is redonkulous.

hopefully we'll see some changes in uprising.

I'm assuming when you say "type2 suit" you mean the proto vk1? Sure, when it's fitted for max HP it can probably have around 800ish HP. (including 4 complex shield extenders and a couple armor plates, leaving room for 1 repper)

But if you do that to a proto Heavy, (go for max HP) it'll have around 1300HP. So the Heavy still has around 500 more HP.

I think you're just exaggerating. You're probably comparing a proto assault and a std heavy.... not apples to apples.

Regarding "type2 suits vs type1 suits. There is definitely a difference. (type2 is better) But it's not THAT big of a difference. It's an extra 30HP, a little more speed, and a slightly faster shield regen. Like I said before, if you make the changes I mentioned, it would put both suits on more even ground.

also, the heavy suit has 3 high slots and 2 low on the vk.1 it definitely cant turn that into 1300 total h.

Perhaps 1200s? I know Heavies can get their HP over 1200.... just don't have the game on in front of me.

BTW, I think the type2 Heavy IS an improvement over the type1. I don't see where he gives up anything. Unless I misunderstood you....

I disagree. Ubershielding a Type II is actually a stupid and expensive thing to do, i find the suit suprisingly well balanced. CPU/PG wise its pretty crap so fitting stuff without the skills can be quite a pain. It wont really fit anything higher then Advanced weapons, but if you fit Advanced weapons the rest of your Modules will feel the CPU drain. So i prefer not too use Adv Weaps on type II and go for a 1x complex shield mod.complex dmg mod + Exile/assault rifle instead. This way the ISK drain will not be so intense and it will still put out allot of damage with the prof skills.

CPU/PG wise its pretty crap so fitting stuff without the skills can be quite a pain.

It wont really fit anything higher then Advanced weapons, but if you fit Advanced weapons the rest of your Modules will feel the CPU drain.

So i prefer not too use Adv Weaps on type II and go for a 1x complex shield mod.complex dmg mod + Exile/assault rifle instead. This way the ISK drain will not be so intense and it will still put out allot of damage with the prof skills.

60k? lol, mine is 35K and my weapon does more dmg. for only 1 shield extender. See my point?

Because you use a ADV gun that is worth 3x the amount of your suit.

when one suit has a clear advantage why would you use anything else? then everything else in the market just takes up space and there's no variety.

it boils down to the type II variants being faster and having faster and disproportionately higher shields than everyone else at every stage without giving up anything. i'm sorry if some peoples secret fit got outted but its the truth.

The assault type II suit:
AT MAXIMUM the Assault type II can have 413 shield HP. That's with Shield control level 5, and two complex shield extenders.
For my type II suit I like to fit a basic armor plate on so as to essentially add another "shield extender" (basic armor plate has 65hp) This along with level 5 mechanics brings the armor up to 196 armor HP.

The scrambler rifle would put this topic to rest once we get it.

? It costs less skillpoints to unlock, and less isk to buy. Ofcourse the type II will be a better suit.

If somebody adds mods in an efficient manner, they're OP.
I can't wait for the first person to whine about how Scout suits run too fast, and how they're too awesome with Catalizers hooked up.
Reward, Sacrifice.
Don't like somebody's style? Kill 'em. It's a game, you can do that. Can't kill 'em? Step up YOUR game, don't beg to ret.ard everyone else.

flux?

Dont really have a problem with type-II's but it buggs me that they have more CPU/PG then the type-I. To be perfectly honest they just need to buff the armor repair modules by 100%. So that the basic is 4HP/s, enhanced 6HP/s and complex 10HP/s. Most people have a issue with shield vs armor cause shields allow you to go back into battle much faster after you have beeing hit quite hard while armor regenerates painfully slow. Funny thing on vehicles is that armor repairs are beast and the most efficent reps in the game. But on the other hand CCP provided the community with allready alot of tools to help armor out. For example:
-repair tool
- armor repairing nanohives
Nano hives which repair armor are the following:
-compact nanohive
-k17/D Nanohive
-K-CR Triage nanohive
-W+¡yrkomi Triage nanohive

The compact is quite handy cause it gives ammo and armor (lvl 2), the K17/D is a hybrid like the compact but does a worse job but lasts longer and the K-CR/W+¡yrkomi triage nano hives are beasts cause they produce a very large nanite bubble and are only for repairing at a very good rate (around 50hp per boost).

lol dude. that's what Assaults did to EVERYONE else. lmao

they couldn't hang against niche game, and cried for everything to be controlled.

"Too many sniper perches!"
"Maps are too big!"
"Heavies are too hard to kill!"

You name it.

that still doesnt address the fact that those type 2 suits dont give up anything. they are fast and have high shields. also they shouldnt be within 200 points of a heavy in shields or armor. No suit should.

while shields remain this dominant that suit is redonkulous.

hopefully we'll see some changes in uprising.

lol dude. that's what Assaults did to EVERYONE else. lmao

they couldn't hang against niche game, and cried for everything to be controlled.

"Too many sniper perches!"
"Maps are too big!"
"Heavies are too hard to kill!"

You name it.

It is indeed overpowered, but for corp battles for instance, where everyone is using top notch weapons, it wouldn't be that bad. The problem is when you use that suit against pugs...then it's just uneven.

I say we take that extra shield and give it to the poor scout

flux grenades are not an argument, because a regular grenade pretty much does the same.

You obviously don't use the suit...

I can be inside a regular grenades radius at the outer edge of it and take moderate damage to my shields, i cannot be inside the ridiculous huge sized radius of a Flux grenade and keep any shields, they are all gone.

against militia grenades thrown by someone that does not know how to cook it.

now get an advanced grenade properly cooked into the face and your shields are gone too. problem? even a militia one properly cooked will leave a proto assault with small amount of shields left despite the damage penalty against shields.

If you're ANYWHERE AT ALL in the Flux radius, shields are gone. If you're near the edge of the MUCH SMALLER radius of even a Prototype grenade, a well-tanked suit can still have shields left.

Properly cooked or not, direct hit or not, wide enough to be a clean miss for a regular grenade or not, Flux Grenades eat shields.

No the shield are not too high

Stop trying to make everything easy to kill

Back when ther was a difference between milita/basic/adv and proto the game was better because ppl aimed to get that best suit instead of sticking around basic and being able to kill the proto guy because the suit got nerfed so its easier for you to kill him instead of it being about you and your skill and tactical advantage to kill him

I liked the hp/pg/cpu and slot difference between each suit, i hope that you whiners dont moan about the suit bonuses added to suits in uprising you have already dumbed this game down enough

problem is the other type II suits are on par with the type II variations in performance and all of them have a purpose. heavy if you are going full armor with a proto logi with proto armor repair and revive tool, scout if you want extra speed, logi if you want to have extra equipment slot. assault? oh look, alot less EHP, slower speed, less fittings... no thanks, pls rot in the sever assault type I. the type II has serious balance flaws.

what is your point again? that flux are great against shields? I think everyone knows that. also your argument is quite flawed, cause according to your logic I might aswell say, I point a laser against a drop suit for half a second, his shields are gone, I point my sniper against a scout suit he is gone, or even better I point my forge gun against any suit and the suit is gone... better remove everything from the game cause it kills people

and absolutely no one prevents an assault to use armor plates at all. also how often do you actually can use flux grenades without hitting yourself or with the target just sitting it out behind cover? quite situational isnt it?

because you cant fit proto HP and damage mods on proto suits and on regular stuff you easily can, right?

The point was that, against a shield-tanked suit, Flux Grenades are a solid counter, and regular grenades are NOT. You HAVE to land a PERFECT hit with a regular grenade just to crack the shields. With a Flux, just having the grenade in the right general vicinity is good enough.

And if you're catching yourself in the Flux area, you either suck (and wouldn't be able to land a well-cooked regular grenade anyway) or you're running a heavily armour-tanked suit that doesn't care about the tiny shield loss in comparison with your target losing 2/3 of their EHP instantly.

I'm not going to deny that you play well, but you're very bad at this "having a valid point" thing. You should work on that, since you obviously don't need to work on your gun game.

EDIT: Changed to "having a valid point" because it's more accurate.

Its easy to make a basic gank fit with a gek if you want

Its too eays now, sure proto may give you a bit of extra life not like in the old days where it assured you had a long life spam and were harder to take down because you earned that ****

Everything got a nerf to help players kill each other because it was too hard

lol so the due fire finally comes to the assault role, for it to burn justly.

karma is a kitten.

Assault shield defense should max at a even 400 HP. Not a drop more.
BUT...
I stated a long time before, that it's function needs to be more "adaptive" (in line with its role), and less "capacitive" (which is the Heavy's role).

Max out the Assault's shields at 400, and allow their shields to "adapt" (automatically and/or manually) to the type of weapons fire they are getting hit by or anticipate getting hit by.

50% increase in shield resistance to whatever type of weapon is hitting them, and can only adapt to one weapon type at a time.
Example: They know someone with a thale's has a solution on them. They can switch up to an anti-hybrid shield mode, and cut damage received by 50%. Or if they know an HMG is around the corner, they can switch to anti-kinetic shield mode. But if they are caught in the wrong defensive mode as weapon's fire comes in, they will take full damage until the suit attempts to adapt on its own, which could prove to be fatal.

if all the other type II suits would work the same by getting more HP, more speed and more fittings, then it wouldnt be a problem.

just because flux counters shields does not mean that type II assault balance isnt flawed.
1. everything has counters.
2. shields are part of everyones defense and important for everyone. the only suit that does not really care about getting hit by flux is a type I heavy cause the heavies majority of hp come from armor.
3. as already mentioned all other type II suits get something to specialize but have drawbacks. the type II assault does not have any drawback for having more HP, more fittings and more speed. the type II assault also leaves a huge gap in performance to the scout which is why all the scout & heavy players are actually unsatisfied. if all the other type II suits would work the same by getting more HP, more speed and more fittings, then it wouldnt be a problem.

because you cant fit proto HP and damage mods on proto suits and on regular stuff you easily can, right?

Its easy to make a basic gank fit with a gek if you want

Its too eays now, sure proto may give you a bit of extra life not like in the old days where it assured you had a long life spam and were harder to take down because you earned that ****

just because flux counters shields does not mean that type II assault balance isnt flawed.
1. everything has counters.
2. shields are part of everyones defense and important for everyone. the only suit that does not really care about getting hit by flux is a type I heavy cause the heavies majority of hp come from armor.
3. as already mentioned all other type II suits get something to specialize but have drawbacks. the type II assault does not have any drawback for having more HP, more fittings and more speed. the type II assault also leaves a huge gap in performance to the scout & heavy (esp. heavy at adv. and proto level) which is why all the scout & heavy players are actually unsatisfied. if all the other type II suits would work the same by getting more HP, more speed and more fittings, then it wouldnt be a problem.

as a heavy , i agree about this tread ,but if assault can get 500 or more shield , it unfair for heavies , for one they can run away and recharge while heavies can't run and slow recharge , like rabbit & turtle race *
i know 6/10 that every time i face assault , unlike scout they give a go with shotties, knifes, etc , when they got half the damage health like mine , they run away easy and come back fully charge health while mine is still recharging , most of the time, assault knew that i has to reload the hmg , they come at me at the right time, i bet all heavies knew that, most of us heavies has to hide or wait until it clear to reload the hmg,

ps as a heavy i want 700-800 shield and low armour like 300-400 . why not !

I think ccp should balance the suits , all of them

Maybe you should find a logi to hide behind you and rep you then you fool (or cower near a supply depot so you can swap out) rather than thinking you can take on the world with your ridiculous HMG!!!

funny you say that, i am mostly at ambush where there no supply depot and logi do come every now and then, i am talking about RELOADING the HMG , not HEALING

Dude, you need a lil loving but I'm sure May 6th is going to see a huge nerf hammer come and hit us all again in new and unexpected ways.

I really feel that at this point any nerf/buff threads are just too darn pointless, next build is going to be a different game.

flux grenades are not an argument, because a regular grenade pretty much does the same.

its not hard, a guy from PSU.com has one. I was in his squad recently and was shocked to see it.

shield control level 5, 3 complex extenders.................................the sad part? he still has room for a complex damage mod.

the question is, is it easier to buff all the other suits or add a downside to the type 2? thats easy, you modify one rather than change all the others. less time too.

GNN you obviously do not know what you're talking about.

Do the math and you will realize how stupid that example was.

Yes, it's easier to just nerf 1 thing than it is to buff everything else, but then a week later there's something else that is "too good", and then the next week, and the next week. Oh wait, that is what's been happening.

How about instead of trying to turn everything in the game to ****, you people instead work on bringing everything else up to par? Would it take longer? Yes. Would it lead towards better gameplay? Hell ****'n yes!

Scouts and heavies also need to be looked at, not just type-Is. Currently Type-II's and Logis are perfect, everything else sucks ass.

Dusters*, not GNN.

Dusters yet again shows their complete disillusionment with the game. Type II OP? wtf? Seriously???? The type II doesn't even have 3 friggin slots. Stupid title, stupid thread.

Nerf the most overused term in msg board history. its worse than hater........stop using it. the original swarms were a ohk to basically any infantry class. ccp changed them and made them lock on vs vehicles only. were they nerfed too? no, they were balanced properly. learn the difference.


Turn to ****? not sure i really even understand your point. better gamepay? I disagree. Its all relative as long as its balanced correctly. You could make bullets do 1pt of damage and make health for an assault 15 for all I care. as long as classes are separated correctly the values mean **** stop being so attached to them.

Wrong. the only type 2 suit that is too good is the assault. the logi, heavy and scout all give up something. if u cant see how unbalanced that is you dont belong in this conversation.

I find this thread kind of strange.

Do people who shield tank have too much shields? Well no, because that is their specialty. They obviously are using all Complex Shield Extenders. Shields not slowing you down like Armor.

Armor Plates give you a bigger HP boost than Shield Extenders, and can tank even higher. This leaves them room for DMG mods instead.

It is actually an interesting balance.

You can tank more hp with amror but most of the weapons do bonus on armor(except laser rifles and scrambler pistols). In the damage mods/armor combo,armor seems just a filler to make up for the lose of Hp.

I believe someone mentioned that one of the reasons armor tanking isn't good is because most weapons do more armor damage with the exception of lasers. Someone else mentioned how "ARs and shotguns" do more shield damage.
While some guns do more armor damage (smg, hmg, md) and others do more shield damage (laser) some weapons are hybrid guns that do EQUAL to both.(AR, SR, shotgun, and I believe pistols)

This is a topic that's easy to get passionate about.

It's not wise to propose a nerf or a rebalance, without a caveat.

The problem is the shield capacity with the Assault suit. Everyone with game balance in mind, knows that once you enter Proto, you become king of the battlefield, in particular when you are complimented with a full-auto AR.

We already know what needs to happen with the AR.
Someone proposed reducing the Assault's shield capacity to max out at 300 HP. I'm sorry, but that is just TOO LOW.
That would bring the Assault down into Scout A-Series - Scout vk0 range... that is not acceptable. If you bring their shields down too low, they will be insta-killed by every sniper sporting a Charge.

400 shield HP is a good cap, but as a caveat, I would like to add an Adapting Shield Feature. To compliment their versatility role. Allow Assaults to adapt their shields to whatever ammo is coming their way, and/or allow the suit to adjust itself after a certain damage threshold has been reached, cutting incoming damage to shields by 50%.

Good Assault players will still able to "tank" in a given situation, provided they exercise due foresight.

I think this is fair.

I hate when people give huge legit reasons to nerf something that doesn't need nerfing. The type II, B-series and VK dont need nerfing just because the player spent so much sp and time getting to a better suit. GTFO nerf blog!!!

Let's say we're in Uprising:

-Caldari Assault vk.1 still gets 500+ shields, decent movement speed and now gets a minimum of 25% extra shield recharge
-Minmatar Logistics vk.1 (my fit) still has a bigger hitbox, but gets 250 shields, 370 armor (or 430 with no rep module), 2 Complex damage mods, is carrying Triage Nanohives, and now has +5 armor rep from skills. Movement speed is 4.89 (or 4.85 with 4 basic plates) but the plates still give hidden initial movement speed penalties (acceleration for dropsuits).

Now tell me which one you think has better survivalbility.