So here are some basic maths (just cause I want to be fair for once )

A type-II suit with lvl 5 Field mechanics and shield control:

225 x 1.25 + 105 x 1.25 = 412.5 EHP

A type-I suit:
125 x 1.25 + 175 x 1.25 = 375 EHP

The problem here is obvious, type 1 suits suck, buff them... along with everything else in the game.

Edit: If you give the type-I 130 shields and 200 armor it will have 412.5 EHP, just like the type-II. My 4th grade math teacher can suck it!

i'm sorry if some peoples secret fit got outted but its the truth.

Perhaps 1200s? I know Heavies can get their HP over 1200.... just don't have the game on in front of me.

BTW, I think the type2 Heavy IS an improvement over the type1. I don't see where he gives up anything. Unless I misunderstood you....

I disagree. Ubershielding a Type II is actually a stupid and expensive thing to do, i find the suit suprisingly well balanced. CPU/PG wise its pretty crap so fitting stuff without the skills can be quite a pain. It wont really fit anything higher then Advanced weapons, but if you fit Advanced weapons the rest of your Modules will feel the CPU drain. So i prefer not too use Adv Weaps on type II and go for a 1x complex shield mod.complex dmg mod + Exile/assault rifle instead. This way the ISK drain will not be so intense and it will still put out allot of damage with the prof skills.

CPU/PG wise its pretty crap so fitting stuff without the skills can be quite a pain.

It wont really fit anything higher then Advanced weapons, but if you fit Advanced weapons the rest of your Modules will feel the CPU drain.

So i prefer not too use Adv Weaps on type II and go for a 1x complex shield mod.complex dmg mod + Exile/assault rifle instead. This way the ISK drain will not be so intense and it will still put out allot of damage with the prof skills.

60k? lol, mine is 35K and my weapon does more dmg. for only 1 shield extender. See my point?

Because you use a ADV gun that is worth 3x the amount of your suit.

The scrambler rifle would put this topic to rest once we get it.

? It costs less skillpoints to unlock, and less isk to buy. Ofcourse the type II will be a better suit.

the question is, is it easier to buff all the other suits or add a downside to the type 2? thats easy, you modify one rather than change all the others. less time too.

Nerf the most overused term in msg board history. its worse than hater........stop using it. the original swarms were a ohk to basically any infantry class. ccp changed them and made them lock on vs vehicles only. were they nerfed too? no, they were balanced properly. learn the difference.


Turn to ****? not sure i really even understand your point. better gamepay? I disagree. Its all relative as long as its balanced correctly. You could make bullets do 1pt of damage and make health for an assault 15 for all I care. as long as classes are separated correctly the values mean **** stop being so attached to them.

Wrong. the only type 2 suit that is too good is the assault. the logi, heavy and scout all give up something. if u cant see how unbalanced that is you dont belong in this conversation.

You can tank more hp with amror but most of the weapons do bonus on armor(except laser rifles and scrambler pistols). In the damage mods/armor combo,armor seems just a filler to make up for the lose of Hp.

I believe someone mentioned that one of the reasons armor tanking isn't good is because most weapons do more armor damage with the exception of lasers. Someone else mentioned how "ARs and shotguns" do more shield damage.
While some guns do more armor damage (smg, hmg, md) and others do more shield damage (laser) some weapons are hybrid guns that do EQUAL to both.(AR, SR, shotgun, and I believe pistols)