Yes, it's easier to just nerf 1 thing than it is to buff everything else, but then a week later there's something else that is "too good", and then the next week, and the next week. Oh wait, that is what's been happening.

How about instead of trying to turn everything in the game to ****, you people instead work on bringing everything else up to par? Would it take longer? Yes. Would it lead towards better gameplay? Hell ****'n yes!

Scouts and heavies also need to be looked at, not just type-Is. Currently Type-II's and Logis are perfect, everything else sucks ass.

Dusters*, not GNN.

Dusters yet again shows their complete disillusionment with the game. Type II OP? wtf? Seriously???? The type II doesn't even have 3 friggin slots. Stupid title, stupid thread.

Nerf the most overused term in msg board history. its worse than hater........stop using it. the original swarms were a ohk to basically any infantry class. ccp changed them and made them lock on vs vehicles only. were they nerfed too? no, they were balanced properly. learn the difference.


Turn to ****? not sure i really even understand your point. better gamepay? I disagree. Its all relative as long as its balanced correctly. You could make bullets do 1pt of damage and make health for an assault 15 for all I care. as long as classes are separated correctly the values mean **** stop being so attached to them.

Wrong. the only type 2 suit that is too good is the assault. the logi, heavy and scout all give up something. if u cant see how unbalanced that is you dont belong in this conversation.

I find this thread kind of strange.

Do people who shield tank have too much shields? Well no, because that is their specialty. They obviously are using all Complex Shield Extenders. Shields not slowing you down like Armor.

Armor Plates give you a bigger HP boost than Shield Extenders, and can tank even higher. This leaves them room for DMG mods instead.

It is actually an interesting balance.

You can tank more hp with amror but most of the weapons do bonus on armor(except laser rifles and scrambler pistols). In the damage mods/armor combo,armor seems just a filler to make up for the lose of Hp.

I believe someone mentioned that one of the reasons armor tanking isn't good is because most weapons do more armor damage with the exception of lasers. Someone else mentioned how "ARs and shotguns" do more shield damage.
While some guns do more armor damage (smg, hmg, md) and others do more shield damage (laser) some weapons are hybrid guns that do EQUAL to both.(AR, SR, shotgun, and I believe pistols)

This is a topic that's easy to get passionate about.

It's not wise to propose a nerf or a rebalance, without a caveat.

The problem is the shield capacity with the Assault suit. Everyone with game balance in mind, knows that once you enter Proto, you become king of the battlefield, in particular when you are complimented with a full-auto AR.

We already know what needs to happen with the AR.
Someone proposed reducing the Assault's shield capacity to max out at 300 HP. I'm sorry, but that is just TOO LOW.
That would bring the Assault down into Scout A-Series - Scout vk0 range... that is not acceptable. If you bring their shields down too low, they will be insta-killed by every sniper sporting a Charge.

400 shield HP is a good cap, but as a caveat, I would like to add an Adapting Shield Feature. To compliment their versatility role. Allow Assaults to adapt their shields to whatever ammo is coming their way, and/or allow the suit to adjust itself after a certain damage threshold has been reached, cutting incoming damage to shields by 50%.

Good Assault players will still able to "tank" in a given situation, provided they exercise due foresight.

I think this is fair.

I hate when people give huge legit reasons to nerf something that doesn't need nerfing. The type II, B-series and VK dont need nerfing just because the player spent so much sp and time getting to a better suit. GTFO nerf blog!!!

Let's say we're in Uprising:

-Caldari Assault vk.1 still gets 500+ shields, decent movement speed and now gets a minimum of 25% extra shield recharge
-Minmatar Logistics vk.1 (my fit) still has a bigger hitbox, but gets 250 shields, 370 armor (or 430 with no rep module), 2 Complex damage mods, is carrying Triage Nanohives, and now has +5 armor rep from skills. Movement speed is 4.89 (or 4.85 with 4 basic plates) but the plates still give hidden initial movement speed penalties (acceleration for dropsuits).

Now tell me which one you think has better survivalbility.