I apologize for the foul mouth. I am heavily medicated and have a loose tongue in the video.I have had a few players ask me how well it works with x4 complex dmg mods so I thought I would share my experience.Do any of you use x4 or do you try and stray from it due to penalties?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHr_mJn17xY&feature=youtu.be

It looks awesome against a full team with "new players". Why don't you try again against "old/good people", not like me of course.

good lord!
How many faces were melted that day?

jeeesus. kb/m btw? thanks for the link, was interesting to see.

DS3 :(

I found it interesting that when you noted the amount of randoms, your squad leader at the time (I think) said 'our combined SP [would] overcome that'. If we're acknowledging the distinct advantage SP gives over newbies, then I hope that new build cuts down that gap. I sometimes choose to play solo instead of squadding with corp mates to see how completely new players feel, and it is not good. It's worrying that face melting may provide great entertainment to us yet is a big problem in the debate over "player retention".

I don't envy CCP's task.

Developing a skill system that reflects a sense of progression whilst keeping the difference between newbies and veterans balanced so as to ensure people who join aren't instantly met by a wall of impenetrable pub stomping is hard. Solutions exist, but which one is the right one?

Everyone always picks on the laser rifle, it isn't broke, its just more user friendly because it allows you to auto correct instantly where as its harder to see bullet trails on ARs. I know people may not say that, but it really is just the aim guide and constant damage that makes that gun awesome.

I like the slowness of the game, I'm not 18 anymore with twitchy reflexs, I enjoy playing a game I don't have to be hyped up on 10 energy drinks and nerd rage just to get a positive K/D. Only thing that makes me kinda sad is the server based hit detection and how it can get laggy blocky shot detection, but thats probably my fault for playing on wireless lol.

Yup, totally not broken.

And when they take sharpshooter away from AR users you all will be crying more. I'm telling you, the player-base is going to have to spread out in terms of its weapons use. If 70% of users' optimal damage range is under 30m then YES the laser will be OP, but you shouldn't nerf the laser so that you can cater to the vanilla weapon choices of people.

I'm thinking about a sort of tactical-weapon use 101 for every weapon out there. David Cross' AR strafing video was quite helpful for AR users, but really not too valid for much else out there. There are equally great tactics for a lot of other weapons out there that people should know and will help to balance out what seems to be unfair advantages of these combinations.

Actually no, I could not care less about the sharpshooter thing.
I have sharpshooter level III and I'm doing just fine.

The weapon is broken, if you are watching this and think otherwise you probably want to check your eyes.

Actually no, I could not care less about the sharpshooter thing.
I have sharpshooter level III and I'm doing just fine.

The weapon is broken, if you are watching this and think otherwise you probably want to check your eyes.

I apologize for the foul mouth. I am heavily medicated and have a loose tongue in the video.I have had a few players ask me how well it works with x4 complex dmg mods so I thought I would share my experience.Do any of you use x4 or do you try and stray from it due to penalties?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHr_mJn17xY&feature=youtu.be

damage mods....x4 can't wait for 6x damage modders

What do you mean you have sharpshooter now? I don't think you get my point, the range of AR users is going to drop because (as far as I've heard) there will no longer be a sharpshooter skill. In exchange there will be a skill that reduces damage spread/kickback.

I've seen that supposedly there is a damage scaling OPness of the viziam that devs have confirmed. Okay. But you still haven't really dealt with my main assertions about the usefullness of the laser rifle. I see most of the kills are dudes idiotically running out of cover, simply not moving while being melted, trying to counter with the AR. You can't balance for stupid... Having a GEK/Duvolle trained on you for the same amount of time with damage mods would result in the same thing, just not at that distance.

Are you saying that you want AR to be essentially equal to the laser rifle? I'm open to suggestions as to your suggestions on what to fix. But so far you just crying "BROKE!" isn't really constructive. Map control issues are separate from weapon balance issues. Weapon balance issues are related to player skill choice issues-which also relate to map control issues.

Meh...watched it again and wanted to change my opinion.

But I really, still don't think this is about the laser rifle being broken. I think its the spawn system not recognizing the danger of a location when it can be safely attacked from long range.

Also, we have figured out that if you hit sprint while you spawn/revive you can more or less instantly move rather than having to dumbfreeze for a couple seconds.

Funny thing is that the OBS at 4:50 kind of did the other team a favor by cleaning out the spawn seed so that people wouldn't continue to get placed in a farmable area.

This game play was beyond boredom. However, it did point out a few major flaws in the game.

1. It showed how broken the Laser Rifle is.

2. It showed how broken map control is, when a camping squad is able to have a vantage points into two main spawns.

3. It showed how slow gameplay gets, when a dominating force decides to camp it.

Overall, this video pretty much shows what is wrong with most of the game. Abuse of a broken weapon with the abuse of a broken map design.

Hopefully, CCP is watching this video.

The AR range as far as I know isn't dropping, just the sharphooter skill won't increase the range anymore.
And just to make you understand, a laser touched me for a millisecond (It moved across my view, didn't even target me but the heavy near me) and it just removed 550hp in that moment.
The AR can't do that, you have to aim properly and put down around 10 bullets.

I don't want the AR to be like that, I want lasers to stop have ridiculous amounts of DPS.
OR make it so that you have to actually hold the laser on the enemy and only then the damage increases, instead of just the weapon builds up heat hence its now more powerful.

Actually no, I could not care less about the sharpshooter thing.
I have sharpshooter level III and I'm doing just fine.

The weapon is broken, if you are watching this and think otherwise you probably want to check your eyes.

And? Replace Viziam with any Proto level weapon + 4 complex mods and the results would be the same against that opposition.

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

If it was do easy friend,you would be using it 100% of the time.

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

My only point about sharpshooter is that users will 'experience' a range decrease if they are expecting their AR to feel like it did after Uprising hits. Yes range wont be decreased, but those with sharpshooter trained now won't have the same range.

I really like how CCP makes each weapon's tactical use very different. The damage distribution potential for laser weapons is back end loaded with a whole clip. My guess is that that 550 hp wasn't on the front end of the laser's cycle, also I'm going to continue to reserve judgement until they say that whatever viziam issue there currently is is claimed to be fixed.

As far as 10 bullets from an AR, 750 RPM means 12.5 rounds per second which adds up to around 400 damage each second. My guess is that the laser rifle can't do that kind of damage until the 3rd or 4th second of firing, and then the user enters the tradeoff of 'do I want to risk overheating in exchange for massive damage or not'.

What I'm hearing from you is that you want the laser rifle to work a tad more like the assault rifle in that the damage distribution cycle should be flatter and require the user to have to have significantly increased tracking skills. It seems to have been designed to be less of a tracking weapon and and a more forgiving 'sweeper'.

Also what do you think should be the trade off in damage increase of a weapon if they have more mechanics overheating/seizing/scaling damage to worry/think about? Is it fair for them to get a little more potential damage?

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

Not at all, I have yet to put a single point into ARs for the exact same reason.

The laser is also the opposite of my "rush 'n' crush" playstyle.

Lasers and ARs are more "camp 'n' stamp", way too boring for me, personally.

We are talking skill as you mentioned previously,if it was easy and required little skill such as the sniper rifle than yes,people would be using it all the time. I think the AR is broken so I use the LR. I am heavily skilled and proficent with both wepons.

All I see from "top" players these days is Viziams with stacked damage mods. Seriously, it's a laser show every game I go into that has a squad of halfway descent people. Lasers are quickly becoming the staple weapon over ARs because of their ease of use and extreme efficiency at range.

[quote=Beren Hurin]
You make some good points.
Keep the damage the same, but the max damage should be much lower than it is right now.
Also, you can't swipe with the AR, so the whole "400dps" point is moot.

All I have to say is that the laser is the ONLY weapon that rewards you for MISSING.

Mull that one over.

Disagree. You do more damage to a player if you don't miss. our damage does not increase if you miss.

All I have to say is that the laser is the ONLY weapon that rewards you for MISSING.

Mull that one over.

My whole unclear point on swiping vs RPM on AR was more that the average dps of a laser rifle over the life of a clip is probably pretty comparative, especially if you are burst firing the laser. Also, I never said that you could swipe the AR. I said the opposite, that it was more of a tracking weapon. Anyway, If you spend the entire clip without letting up you could probably exceep the DPS on an AR at the same level, but you are risking other things. On top of this lasers seem to eat ammo faster than ARs.

If you look at the video, its annoyingly difficult to see the HP of suits due the the laser's sights, but if we assume most suits you were killing had around 350+ HP I was counting about 2.5 to 3 seconds to kill most of them. That really isn't THAT amazing as far as DPS. I still think the main problem here was that people had their shields mostly gone before they could move.

Im not going to argue over ones personal dislikes going from one "point" to another. War is about finding unfair advantages,and if it was easy and required no skill,than as I said,everyone would be using it.

The only real downside to lazers, that ive seen, is that (at lease on tier 3 without damage mods) the time it takes to eat through armor tanked folks, combined with the fact you have a giant lazer pointing to the enemy, from you, means 2 things:

Other enemy soldiers will key in on you.

Allies will key in on your target.

Neither are inherently bad. Taking the attention of the enemy allows your team to flank them. Your allies helpiing you kill faster is nice, but since other guns damage armor faster, youll likely end up with an assist rather than a kill. Which could be a bit annoying and make you want to switch guns after a while.

Lmfao. You justify it that way, have a blast. A weapon with extreme range, no recoil, barely non existent overheat, and insanely high DPS at range....yea.....have fun with that.

You guys enjoy your thread on the king of camps, I for one will hold out that CCP fixes the weapon in Uprising.

Good day.

And I see you are new to Dust,welcome aboard!

And you must be new to Youtube for posting that video

Lmfao. You justify it that way, have a blast. A weapon with extreme range, no recoil, barely non existent overheat, and insanely high DPS at range....yea.....have fun with that.

You guys enjoy your thread on the king of camps, I for one will hold out that CCP fixes the weapon in Uprising.

Good day.

And you must be new to Youtube for posting that video

Lmfao. You justify it that way, have a blast. A weapon with extreme range, no recoil, barely non existent overheat, and insanely high DPS at range....yea.....have fun with that.

You guys enjoy your thread on the king of camps, I for one will hold out that CCP fixes the weapon in Uprising.

Good day.

You clearly have PERSONAL problems with the LR.

You're right. I PERSONALLY have a problem with a weapon doing insane damage just by swiping past an enemy halfway across the field. I thought in a FPS one is required to aim

And now I'll leave you be, sorry for the response

You're right. I PERSONALLY have a problem with a weapon doing insane damage just by swiping past an enemy halfway across the field. I thought in a FPS one is required to aim

Im not going to argue over ones personal dislikes going from one "point" to another. War is about finding unfair advantages,and if it was easy and required no skill,than as I said,everyone would be using it.

Militia shotgun one hitting a PROTO suit.

You've clearly never used a militia shotgun, either that, or you run the worst proto suits in DUST.

Yeah, My Vks are all inferior to yours but mine withstand a "milisecond" of LR DMG whereas apparently yours do not

You exaggerate everytime the LR is brought up but you are going to ignore the fact that any of the shottys will, in fact, one hit most suits in the game.

My experience tell me that the bonus from that 4th is so little that most often you'd be better off switching it for an extender or other module.

/c

....I'm a SHOTGUN SCOUT...the supposed counter to LR users, since I thrive where they're weakest. I know it's difficult to grasp, but it's actually possible to make ::gasp:: observations

I would like to think that the MD is at least on par with the LR as far as counters go. The ones who can find good cover and assault from it against the LR can deal some hurt. A lot of times when I see LR users they aren't by themselves, which makes attacking them up close more difficult.

This is the second LR thread I've commented on in a month (the other thread being my own, in which I literally was only talking about what I'm talking about here). Kettle, meet pot.

Shotguns require you to be up close and personal, right in the thick of things. You're vulnerable to focus fire at close range, grenades, mass drivers, HMGs, long range support, basically anything and everything since you have to stick your neck out to get kills.

Shotguns will only OHKO descent fit suits if you are literally right on top of the player. The only reason you can do this is because players using LRs and ARs tend to sit still and zoom, instead of watching their surroundings. A Proto suit takes 2 to 4 close range (close, but not literally on top of them) shots from a L4 shotgun (all I have atm), unless they're camping in a glass cannon fit.

I too have tested almost all weapons in my time with the beta (over a year). The main problem with the laser is how you can "charge it" and swing it around for kills. That's the problem. It takes little skill once you've maxed it because you can sweep past someone. If you had to keep the beam focused to achieve max damage, it would be alright. Instead, you can burn the ground, then swing past and bam, done.

I also find it comical how players seem to think if you provide feedback against a weapon, you have problems dealing with it....I'm a SHOTGUN SCOUT...the supposed counter to LR users, since I thrive where they're weakest. I know it's difficult to grasp, but it's actually possible to make ::gasp:: observations

That's a valid point, I have the same issue against LR users in squads. I counter them by staying out of sight usually, though I take pride in how sneaky I can be (and I'm not even remotely focused with SP, it's literally all over the place. So freaking grateful for this SP respec, I've learned my lesson lol. It'll be nice to have Prototype gear for a change)

Just warm it ip and swing it around....hmmmm ok. Going from one valid point to the next, and disregarding valid point once more much?

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

.warm it up and just swing it around.

This is the second LR thread I've commented on in a month (the other thread being my own, in which I literally was only talking about what I'm talking about here). Kettle, meet pot.

Shotguns require you to be up close and personal, right in the thick of things. You're vulnerable to focus fire at close range, grenades, mass drivers, HMGs, long range support, basically anything and everything since you have to stick your neck out to get kills.

Shotguns will only OHKO a badly fit lower tier suit unless you are literally right on top of a player. The only reason you can do this is because players using LRs and ARs tend to sit still and zoom, instead of watching their surroundings. A Proto suit takes 2 to 4 close range (close, but not literally on top of them) shots from a L4 shotgun (all I have atm), unless they're camping in a glass cannon fit.

I too have tested almost all weapons in my time with the beta (over a year). The main problem with the laser is how you can "charge it" and swing it around for kills. That's the problem. It takes little skill once you've maxed it because you can sweep past someone. If you had to keep the beam focused to achieve max damage, it would be alright. Instead, you can burn the ground, then swing past and bam, done.

That's....precisely the point I'm trying to make....you can warm it up...then swing it around...(as in, swipe back and forth over an enemy, instead of keeping it trained on them the entire time).

[You have went from one thing to the next, get skilled and proficient with the LR and not on the recieving end, than any points you make will be valid, this is how it works.

Does Chribba have knowledge that damage modiefier stacking is fixed?

So they don't multiply what's been multiplied before (yes I know even stacking penalised does that that bu you know what I mean)?

no of Damamods - damage:
0 - 1,00
1 - 1,10
2 - 1,21
3 - 1,331
4 - 1,4641


Source of fix?

I've stuck with my main point all the way through, that you can get to max damage by hitting the ground, and then swiping past an opponent. At one point I mention some of the LRs strengths such as its lack of recoil, noticeable heat build up (same issue with HMG), and it's extreme lethal range, but that was me just knee jerk reacting.

I've moved my question to a different thread in the hopes of receiving detailed answers, since I literally only have this ONE issue with LRs, as I continuously attempt to tell you

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

Really? You went from skill to easy to dmg to what now? Warm up time. Please go back through the thread and read, and to add it seems like a weak attempt at trolling.

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

All I see from "top" players these days is Viziams with stacked damage mods. Seriously, it's a laser show every game I go into that has a squad of halfway descent people. Lasers are quickly becoming the staple weapon over ARs because of their ease of use and extreme efficiency at range.

All I have to say is that the laser is the ONLY weapon that rewards you for MISSING.

I'm almost positive that the LR builds up heat damage if you shoot the ground. That's why you see people camping on top of nano hives, never burst firing, because the DPS builds to maximum and they just swipe back and forth cutting everything in half.

I see you did not read where I spent almost 2 million sp to have that range, or that I spent another what..million sp to have the viziam..or the how much to get weponary 5 ..and how much sp for a proto suit, or the 240k isk per death? You ignore all my points, you just have it set in your heart you are right just by "observing". Get skilled than debate..k?

BLAH..BLAH..more constructive stuff...BLAH BLAH

[...what i want to respond to...]
The video illustrates a problem in the spawning and map design much more so than a problem with the weapon.

And you seem to be missing the point that spending SP shouldn't justify a weapon doing the damage that the LR does at the range it does when building up damage off target.

I think the simple solution is to just ask...GM,DEV....is this how the LR was intended to be used? Is it broken? And I do understand my aim is not the best in the video. I jyst had stomach surgery and I have to play laying on my back while under the influence of narcotic pain medicene. Your input would be much appreciated, thanks!

You would understand if you was actually skilled in it,it is trash up close.

I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

So now its "squad suport" ?

And you seem to be missing the point that spending SP shouldn't justify a weapon doing the damage that the LR does at the range it does when building up damage off target.

So now its "squad suport" ?

Tell me why must all weapon types be bent to the old fashioned FPS perspective of 'my reticle must be directly over target'? That has yet to be justified... IMO that is not the only thing that justifies a skilled user and we all will have to live in a game where that is the case. There are many ways to make players find 'aiming/moving/firing/applying damage' fun and dynamic.

I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

Your meds are ruining your reading comprehension bro.

WITH squad support. You greatly reduce any chance of a close range attack, allowing you to deal increased damage at range because your missed shots are still benefiting you.

And what about tank "squad support"?

Your meds are ruining your reading comprehension bro.

WITH squad support. You greatly reduce any chance of a close range attack, allowing you to deal increased damage at range because your missed shots are still benefiting you.



I just fail to see why you're rewarded for missing, is all. I've never once seen a forge gun, rail gun, or charge sniper rifle swipe back and forth over someone for full damage.

I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

[And you clearly made a statement about "squad support" that was ignorant,and you blame it on meds? Not sure if I would want to be in your squad 0o

so by your logic, an LR user who knows his weakness and by having his squad support him covers up that weakness, that's a bad thing? that's like saying having a tank get supported by infantry is a bad thing, and thats a ******** viewpoint. In both cases we see people working together as a team to support each other and make the team more effective, nothing wrong there

I hope to God you're trolling me bro. YOU are the one who mentioned your meds...then you go to say that I said that the LR is squad support, which I did not. You misread what I wrote, and decided to jump on that. I was correcting you, mentioning that the narcotics you mentioned might be causing you to skip over things (supported by how many times you've skipped over the single point I've attempted to make over and over throughout this thread)



Just showcasing that the LRs only weakness is easily covered up by the same technique that allows its strength to be easily exploited (damage build up OFF target at range)

Than I was not the only one misreading your "squad support" statement. You trolled yourself.

I see you did not read where I spent almost 2 million sp to have that range, or that I spent another what..million sp to have the viziam..or the how much to get weponary 5 ..and how much sp for a proto suit, or the 240k isk per death? You ignore all my points, you just have it set in your heart you are right just by "observing". Get skilled than debate..k?

Dust fiend, my last advice that I can offer to you is to...Dont hate the player, hate the game. Go on irc and get your answers.

You again lol!!
The HMG is OP video, right??

Heavies are screwed.

Now its a laser rifle??

Then I guess the same results with 4X mods on an Ishukone SMG plus idiots is OP??

You are yet again misreading...holy crap, why am I still feeding you.

I said WITH SQUAD SUPPORT. You said that I said the LR IS SQUAD SUPPORT.

gbghg is responding to what I ACTUALLY SAID, where as you are still responding to what you THINK I SAID....

I just fail to see why you're rewarded for missing, is all. I've never once seen a forge gun, rail gun, or charge sniper rifle swipe back and forth over someone for full damage.

I want you to reword this idea/notion that you are 'rewarded for missing' because it isn't working for me. The single way you may be a little correct in that is that you are 'rewarded' by not alerting the player to your damage you are about to do to them until it is too late. Otherwise it is not 'rewarding' the laser user if they aren't hitting their target. If the laser user were to hit the target that he isn't currently, he WOULD kill them faster. That is simply not a reward. The damage DOES NOT GO UP just because you are NOT hitting them. It scales regardless.

Once again, breaking this down. There are discrete issues here. We have the 'sweeping' and the 'damage scaling'.

With damage scaling-

The laser rifle is NOT UNLIKE many other weapons in that it is not optimally effective the 'instant' you place the reticle over the target and fire. The time between 'press fire' and 'apply damage' is delayed. The management of that delay is where skill comes in. With AR fire. There is no delay. YOUR skill comes in response to the player's RESPONSE to your fire.

With 'sweeping'-

The sweeping technique is a function of the management of that forementioned 'delay'. That beam hitting the ground is wasted ammo. It is a step toward a 5 second burnout and additional reload time. It is time that you are advertising your location and the fact that you are pointed in a specific direction. The LR skill comes in forgiving a little bit of the difficulty in mitigating the target's response and trading it for mitigating a few more difficulties that the weapon mechanics themselves pose.

People who are saying you need to spec millions of skill points for the LR to be really good are very funny and fooling themselves...

You're rewarded because regardless of if you're hitting your opponent or not, you're always moving up to your maximum damage, which is incredibly high (the Viziam receives something like a 25% boost in DPs over its L3 version, unlike basically every other weapon in the game, though this applies to all versions of the LR)

Wasting ammo is a moot point because Nanohives, of which all but heavies can carry, and again, squad support (that shouldn't be considered in balance, since everyone can benefit from nanohives)

If someone shoots an Assault Rifle, I know where they're shooting me from. If someone shoots a sniper rifle, I have a descent idea of where they're shooting from (usually). If someone shoots a shotgun, I can hear where they're shooting from. If someone shoots a SMG, I can hear and see where it's coming from. If someone shoots a forge gun, swarm launcher, HMG, blaster installation, tank turret, etc etc, I know where it's coming from. Just because the laser is a little brighter and clearer doesn't suddenly mean it's the only weapon to suffer from this effect.

Lasers should build up damage on target, with the damage slowly lowering when off target. Basically, if you're on target all the time, you build up to max damage, and own. If your aim is meh, but you focus on one target, you'll keep fairly even DPS, slowly going up. If you hop from target to target, you will deal base damage, instead of dealing maximum damage across the board because you skilled up in lowering your overheat.

It's been stated by CCP wolfman over irc that the viziam's damage is too high and will be lowered in the next build and like i said in my earlier post "besides the amount of times where an AR can put you down in less than 2 seconds is ridiculous, the only times i've beaten them in the dps race is when i've preheated the beam before stepping out of cover." We need the current mechanics so we can compete with the high dps of weapons like the AR or sniper rifle, it's all very well saying that you should only build up damage when on target, but the problem is that staying on target will mean we'll have to stand in the open being the easiest possible target on the map for between 5-10 seconds to take down a higher tier suit, it would make lasers an almost useless weapon because you would be giving off a low DPS when you started firing, but you would instantly expose yourself to a high incoming DPS. the mechanics you're suggesting would make LR's incredibly difficult to use effectively.

Lasers should build up damage on target, with the damage slowly lowering when off target. Basically, if you're on target all the time, you build up to max damage, and own. If your aim is meh, but you focus on one target, you'll keep fairly even DPS, slowly going up...

Sorry man but I just think your requirement is arbitrary or if anything squeezing the LR into an AR paradigm 'just because'. If you want to see LR to only get a damage increase when it is on target then I want to see a penalty to AR when it isn't shooting on target. So lets trade...AR gets a 25% heat buildup when not on target and the LR can get reset when not on target. Then it's even. Both get penalties when not on target...

As for me an my mass driver I'll keep my splash damage when I don't exactly hit you

They do, it's called weapon spread

MDs are supposed to do splash damage, so that's fine.

Like I said in my previous post, perhaps the damage potential is too high, and that's what I actually have a problem with. I just have trouble wrapping my head around a weapon doing more damage the longer it's fired at the sky, but I also don't know **** about lasers.

I do know that top end damage is way too high right now, as apparently confirmed by CCP Wolfman in IRC.

I enjoy using the laser rifle I have no problems with being killed on the receiving end of it save one... A laser shouldn't slow you down when you are getting hit by it. It makes no sense that a very hot stream of light would stick to you like glue and reduce your speed. Unless it sliced your legs off, of course. If they change that small detail I'd be fine with it, just like I am fine with every weapon being as deadly as they can make it. It makes no sense to make weapons weaker.

But that got me thinking.. it would be pretty sweet to be able to laser some into pieces as their shield and armor flew off.

Honest question from ignorance...isn't there an HMG that gets more precise the longer you fire? Thereby doing more damage?

Wait...the laser slows people down?

All HMGs do this. They start off with a large spread that focuses as it's fired. I personally feel the HMG needs a tad more heat build up, but this is primarily balanced in the long run by just how bad and overpriced Prototype Heavy suits are. I'm quite curious to see all the changes to suits, weapons, and overall gameplay mechanics come Uprising.

...I just have trouble wrapping my head around a weapon doing more damage the longer it's fired at the sky...

...blah...blah...SCIENCE BITCHES...blah...blah...

So do you have trouble wrapping your head around the HMG?

I meant does the laser in the game slow people down?

I actually do, in terms of just how it functions. How does it shoot off to the sides when it starts, then magically get more accurate? It makes no sense.

Also, the HMGs accuracy is what increases. While technically upping the damage via more bullets landed, it doesn't magically make the weapon do more base damage. Unlike the LR, (which I have already admitted, I don't understand the physics of lasers) I just find it silly.

Firstly, Dust 514 is not even a twitch shooter. If your having trouble keeping up on this game, then maybe you should get checked out for ParkinsonGÇÖs.

Your whole reasoning on the laser rifle not being broken is auto correct... really?

Well then, imagine the beam of the laser getting more and more precise focusing the heat/damage of the laser onto a smaller and smaller spot. So the amount of photons fired is the same, but the area it is hitting on armor is getting smaller resulting in the ability to cut faster/deeper...? Does that work?

In an ordinary vacuum chamber, crisscrossed beams create what the Bell scientists call ``optical molasses.`` Certain atoms that ordinarily move at miles per second were brought down to speeds slower than a person walks, making it possible to see their motion with the unaided eye.

As I've said before, multiple times, and been backed up by other people, SP means squat next to player skill. SP will give you an edge over someone with the same skill level, but apart from that, if you're in a proto suit and you're truly god-awful at this game, you're not going to be magically good.

Teamwork is OP, skill is OP, SP is not.

I always like counter lasering you

Hey...I killed you once :) you guys have a tough squad,I would enjoy getting in on the LR squad sometime.

This game play was beyond boredom. However, it did point out a few major flaws in the game.

1. It showed how broken the Laser Rifle is.

2. It showed how broken map control is, when a camping squad is able to have a vantage points into two main spawns.

3. It showed how slow gameplay gets, when a dominating force decides to camp it.

Overall, this video pretty much shows what is wrong with most of the game. Abuse of a broken weapon with the abuse of a broken map design.

Hopefully, CCP is watching this video.

Hey Mr Lowrate. I seen you in a match earlier today, you were using a specialist shotgun. You kicked some red dot butt. I did good as well i think i came second, i don't think i died that match either.It was fun playing with you.

CCP is fixing the weapon a bit with the removal of the range bonus to sharpshooter.

Am I the only one to realize that if u put 4 of these mods with any weapon you'd have a similar effect?

Freedom Mass Driver + 4 complex damage mods = you'll die in one hit by SPLASH damage.

Actually the sharpshooter skill for LR is still going to add range bonus to the weapon, they even stated that the optimal range of the LR will increase according to your sharpshooter lvl (because it's not working properly right now) the Light Weapon Sharpshooter skill is still there and it will work the same way it's working right now according to the pictures of the skills I saw from a player in the singularity server.

But for the rest of the weapons (some of them) there will be an aditional sharpshooter that will increase accuracy instead of range, for example if you're using AR's you need to train the AR Sharpshooter because you might have a Light Weapon Sharpshooter at lvl 4 or 5, BUT without an AR Sharpshooter skill at a high level then it doesn't matter how much range your AR has because in the end you will have poor accuracy.

makes me glad that cloaking is coming so i hide from all of those nasty laser burns

Exactly my point...cloaking will be ridiculous

So basically it will be like %3 or %5 reduction in kick and recoil, it will actually work?

As I've said before, multiple times, and been backed up by other people, SP means squat next to player skill. SP will give you an edge over someone with the same skill level, but apart from that, if you're in a proto suit and you're truly god-awful at this game, you're not going to be magically good.

Teamwork is OP, skill is OP, SP is not.

Oh Man, Thanks for the video, now I know what I'll become after I finish up my goddamn Assault build. :D

Sniper beats the LAR at range every time. even in this video he gets dropped twice by a sniper.

I do that without the damage mods.

When I'm running one of my free Scout fittings.

I apologize for the foul mouth. I am heavily medicated and have a loose tongue in the video.I have had a few players ask me how well it works with x4 complex dmg mods so I thought I would share my experience.Do any of you use x4 or do you try and stray from it due to penalties?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHr_mJn17xY&feature=youtu.be