You're right. I PERSONALLY have a problem with a weapon doing insane damage just by swiping past an enemy halfway across the field. I thought in a FPS one is required to aim

And now I'll leave you be, sorry for the response

You're right. I PERSONALLY have a problem with a weapon doing insane damage just by swiping past an enemy halfway across the field. I thought in a FPS one is required to aim

Im not going to argue over ones personal dislikes going from one "point" to another. War is about finding unfair advantages,and if it was easy and required no skill,than as I said,everyone would be using it.

Militia shotgun one hitting a PROTO suit.

You've clearly never used a militia shotgun, either that, or you run the worst proto suits in DUST.

Yeah, My Vks are all inferior to yours but mine withstand a "milisecond" of LR DMG whereas apparently yours do not

You exaggerate everytime the LR is brought up but you are going to ignore the fact that any of the shottys will, in fact, one hit most suits in the game.

My experience tell me that the bonus from that 4th is so little that most often you'd be better off switching it for an extender or other module.

/c

....I'm a SHOTGUN SCOUT...the supposed counter to LR users, since I thrive where they're weakest. I know it's difficult to grasp, but it's actually possible to make ::gasp:: observations

I would like to think that the MD is at least on par with the LR as far as counters go. The ones who can find good cover and assault from it against the LR can deal some hurt. A lot of times when I see LR users they aren't by themselves, which makes attacking them up close more difficult.

This is the second LR thread I've commented on in a month (the other thread being my own, in which I literally was only talking about what I'm talking about here). Kettle, meet pot.

Shotguns require you to be up close and personal, right in the thick of things. You're vulnerable to focus fire at close range, grenades, mass drivers, HMGs, long range support, basically anything and everything since you have to stick your neck out to get kills.

Shotguns will only OHKO descent fit suits if you are literally right on top of the player. The only reason you can do this is because players using LRs and ARs tend to sit still and zoom, instead of watching their surroundings. A Proto suit takes 2 to 4 close range (close, but not literally on top of them) shots from a L4 shotgun (all I have atm), unless they're camping in a glass cannon fit.

I too have tested almost all weapons in my time with the beta (over a year). The main problem with the laser is how you can "charge it" and swing it around for kills. That's the problem. It takes little skill once you've maxed it because you can sweep past someone. If you had to keep the beam focused to achieve max damage, it would be alright. Instead, you can burn the ground, then swing past and bam, done.

I also find it comical how players seem to think if you provide feedback against a weapon, you have problems dealing with it....I'm a SHOTGUN SCOUT...the supposed counter to LR users, since I thrive where they're weakest. I know it's difficult to grasp, but it's actually possible to make ::gasp:: observations

That's a valid point, I have the same issue against LR users in squads. I counter them by staying out of sight usually, though I take pride in how sneaky I can be (and I'm not even remotely focused with SP, it's literally all over the place. So freaking grateful for this SP respec, I've learned my lesson lol. It'll be nice to have Prototype gear for a change)

Just warm it ip and swing it around....hmmmm ok. Going from one valid point to the next, and disregarding valid point once more much?

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

.warm it up and just swing it around.

This is the second LR thread I've commented on in a month (the other thread being my own, in which I literally was only talking about what I'm talking about here). Kettle, meet pot.

Shotguns require you to be up close and personal, right in the thick of things. You're vulnerable to focus fire at close range, grenades, mass drivers, HMGs, long range support, basically anything and everything since you have to stick your neck out to get kills.

Shotguns will only OHKO a badly fit lower tier suit unless you are literally right on top of a player. The only reason you can do this is because players using LRs and ARs tend to sit still and zoom, instead of watching their surroundings. A Proto suit takes 2 to 4 close range (close, but not literally on top of them) shots from a L4 shotgun (all I have atm), unless they're camping in a glass cannon fit.

I too have tested almost all weapons in my time with the beta (over a year). The main problem with the laser is how you can "charge it" and swing it around for kills. That's the problem. It takes little skill once you've maxed it because you can sweep past someone. If you had to keep the beam focused to achieve max damage, it would be alright. Instead, you can burn the ground, then swing past and bam, done.

That's....precisely the point I'm trying to make....you can warm it up...then swing it around...(as in, swipe back and forth over an enemy, instead of keeping it trained on them the entire time).

[You have went from one thing to the next, get skilled and proficient with the LR and not on the recieving end, than any points you make will be valid, this is how it works.

Does Chribba have knowledge that damage modiefier stacking is fixed?

So they don't multiply what's been multiplied before (yes I know even stacking penalised does that that bu you know what I mean)?

no of Damamods - damage:
0 - 1,00
1 - 1,10
2 - 1,21
3 - 1,331
4 - 1,4641


Source of fix?

I've stuck with my main point all the way through, that you can get to max damage by hitting the ground, and then swiping past an opponent. At one point I mention some of the LRs strengths such as its lack of recoil, noticeable heat build up (same issue with HMG), and it's extreme lethal range, but that was me just knee jerk reacting.

I've moved my question to a different thread in the hopes of receiving detailed answers, since I literally only have this ONE issue with LRs, as I continuously attempt to tell you

Ok, can some other LR specialists speak up on this point?

I've been under the impression that LRs build up damage regardless of if they're on target or not. I thought that's why I see Proto Laser users shooting the ground and things around you before blasting you for max damage.

Does anyone know the math or specifics on this? If someone can prove me wrong on this, then I suppose I'll withdraw that part of my argument (basically my only argument)

Really? You went from skill to easy to dmg to what now? Warm up time. Please go back through the thread and read, and to add it seems like a weak attempt at trolling.

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

All I see from "top" players these days is Viziams with stacked damage mods. Seriously, it's a laser show every game I go into that has a squad of halfway descent people. Lasers are quickly becoming the staple weapon over ARs because of their ease of use and extreme efficiency at range.

All I have to say is that the laser is the ONLY weapon that rewards you for MISSING.

I'm almost positive that the LR builds up heat damage if you shoot the ground. That's why you see people camping on top of nano hives, never burst firing, because the DPS builds to maximum and they just swipe back and forth cutting everything in half.

I see you did not read where I spent almost 2 million sp to have that range, or that I spent another what..million sp to have the viziam..or the how much to get weponary 5 ..and how much sp for a proto suit, or the 240k isk per death? You ignore all my points, you just have it set in your heart you are right just by "observing". Get skilled than debate..k?

BLAH..BLAH..more constructive stuff...BLAH BLAH

[...what i want to respond to...]
The video illustrates a problem in the spawning and map design much more so than a problem with the weapon.

And you seem to be missing the point that spending SP shouldn't justify a weapon doing the damage that the LR does at the range it does when building up damage off target.

I think the simple solution is to just ask...GM,DEV....is this how the LR was intended to be used? Is it broken? And I do understand my aim is not the best in the video. I jyst had stomach surgery and I have to play laying on my back while under the influence of narcotic pain medicene. Your input would be much appreciated, thanks!

You would understand if you was actually skilled in it,it is trash up close.