If it was do easy friend,you would be using it 100% of the time.

We are talking skill as you mentioned previously,if it was easy and required little skill such as the sniper rifle than yes,people would be using it all the time. I think the AR is broken so I use the LR. I am heavily skilled and proficent with both wepons.

Disagree. You do more damage to a player if you don't miss. our damage does not increase if you miss.

Im not going to argue over ones personal dislikes going from one "point" to another. War is about finding unfair advantages,and if it was easy and required no skill,than as I said,everyone would be using it.

You clearly have PERSONAL problems with the LR.

Militia shotgun one hitting a PROTO suit.

Yeah, My Vks are all inferior to yours but mine withstand a "milisecond" of LR DMG whereas apparently yours do not

You exaggerate everytime the LR is brought up but you are going to ignore the fact that any of the shottys will, in fact, one hit most suits in the game.

I would like to think that the MD is at least on par with the LR as far as counters go. The ones who can find good cover and assault from it against the LR can deal some hurt. A lot of times when I see LR users they aren't by themselves, which makes attacking them up close more difficult.

Just warm it ip and swing it around....hmmmm ok. Going from one valid point to the next, and disregarding valid point once more much?

.warm it up and just swing it around.

[You have went from one thing to the next, get skilled and proficient with the LR and not on the recieving end, than any points you make will be valid, this is how it works.

Really? You went from skill to easy to dmg to what now? Warm up time. Please go back through the thread and read, and to add it seems like a weak attempt at trolling.

I really hope they fix the LR in Uprising so that it requires skill to use

All I see from "top" players these days is Viziams with stacked damage mods. Seriously, it's a laser show every game I go into that has a squad of halfway descent people. Lasers are quickly becoming the staple weapon over ARs because of their ease of use and extreme efficiency at range.

All I have to say is that the laser is the ONLY weapon that rewards you for MISSING.

I'm almost positive that the LR builds up heat damage if you shoot the ground. That's why you see people camping on top of nano hives, never burst firing, because the DPS builds to maximum and they just swipe back and forth cutting everything in half.

I see you did not read where I spent almost 2 million sp to have that range, or that I spent another what..million sp to have the viziam..or the how much to get weponary 5 ..and how much sp for a proto suit, or the 240k isk per death? You ignore all my points, you just have it set in your heart you are right just by "observing". Get skilled than debate..k?

You would understand if you was actually skilled in it,it is trash up close.

So now its "squad suport" ?

Tell me why must all weapon types be bent to the old fashioned FPS perspective of 'my reticle must be directly over target'? That has yet to be justified... IMO that is not the only thing that justifies a skilled user and we all will have to live in a game where that is the case. There are many ways to make players find 'aiming/moving/firing/applying damage' fun and dynamic.

And what about tank "squad support"?

[And you clearly made a statement about "squad support" that was ignorant,and you blame it on meds? Not sure if I would want to be in your squad 0o

so by your logic, an LR user who knows his weakness and by having his squad support him covers up that weakness, that's a bad thing? that's like saying having a tank get supported by infantry is a bad thing, and thats a ******** viewpoint. In both cases we see people working together as a team to support each other and make the team more effective, nothing wrong there

Than I was not the only one misreading your "squad support" statement. You trolled yourself.

Dust fiend, my last advice that I can offer to you is to...Dont hate the player, hate the game. Go on irc and get your answers.

I want you to reword this idea/notion that you are 'rewarded for missing' because it isn't working for me. The single way you may be a little correct in that is that you are 'rewarded' by not alerting the player to your damage you are about to do to them until it is too late. Otherwise it is not 'rewarding' the laser user if they aren't hitting their target. If the laser user were to hit the target that he isn't currently, he WOULD kill them faster. That is simply not a reward. The damage DOES NOT GO UP just because you are NOT hitting them. It scales regardless.

Once again, breaking this down. There are discrete issues here. We have the 'sweeping' and the 'damage scaling'.

With damage scaling-

The laser rifle is NOT UNLIKE many other weapons in that it is not optimally effective the 'instant' you place the reticle over the target and fire. The time between 'press fire' and 'apply damage' is delayed. The management of that delay is where skill comes in. With AR fire. There is no delay. YOUR skill comes in response to the player's RESPONSE to your fire.

With 'sweeping'-

The sweeping technique is a function of the management of that forementioned 'delay'. That beam hitting the ground is wasted ammo. It is a step toward a 5 second burnout and additional reload time. It is time that you are advertising your location and the fact that you are pointed in a specific direction. The LR skill comes in forgiving a little bit of the difficulty in mitigating the target's response and trading it for mitigating a few more difficulties that the weapon mechanics themselves pose.

It's been stated by CCP wolfman over irc that the viziam's damage is too high and will be lowered in the next build and like i said in my earlier post "besides the amount of times where an AR can put you down in less than 2 seconds is ridiculous, the only times i've beaten them in the dps race is when i've preheated the beam before stepping out of cover." We need the current mechanics so we can compete with the high dps of weapons like the AR or sniper rifle, it's all very well saying that you should only build up damage when on target, but the problem is that staying on target will mean we'll have to stand in the open being the easiest possible target on the map for between 5-10 seconds to take down a higher tier suit, it would make lasers an almost useless weapon because you would be giving off a low DPS when you started firing, but you would instantly expose yourself to a high incoming DPS. the mechanics you're suggesting would make LR's incredibly difficult to use effectively.

Sorry man but I just think your requirement is arbitrary or if anything squeezing the LR into an AR paradigm 'just because'. If you want to see LR to only get a damage increase when it is on target then I want to see a penalty to AR when it isn't shooting on target. So lets trade...AR gets a 25% heat buildup when not on target and the LR can get reset when not on target. Then it's even. Both get penalties when not on target...

As for me an my mass driver I'll keep my splash damage when I don't exactly hit you

Honest question from ignorance...isn't there an HMG that gets more precise the longer you fire? Thereby doing more damage?

So do you have trouble wrapping your head around the HMG?

Well then, imagine the beam of the laser getting more and more precise focusing the heat/damage of the laser onto a smaller and smaller spot. So the amount of photons fired is the same, but the area it is hitting on armor is getting smaller resulting in the ability to cut faster/deeper...? Does that work?