I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

So now its "squad suport" ?

And you seem to be missing the point that spending SP shouldn't justify a weapon doing the damage that the LR does at the range it does when building up damage off target.

So now its "squad suport" ?

Tell me why must all weapon types be bent to the old fashioned FPS perspective of 'my reticle must be directly over target'? That has yet to be justified... IMO that is not the only thing that justifies a skilled user and we all will have to live in a game where that is the case. There are many ways to make players find 'aiming/moving/firing/applying damage' fun and dynamic.

I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

Your meds are ruining your reading comprehension bro.

WITH squad support. You greatly reduce any chance of a close range attack, allowing you to deal increased damage at range because your missed shots are still benefiting you.

And what about tank "squad support"?

Your meds are ruining your reading comprehension bro.

WITH squad support. You greatly reduce any chance of a close range attack, allowing you to deal increased damage at range because your missed shots are still benefiting you.



I just fail to see why you're rewarded for missing, is all. I've never once seen a forge gun, rail gun, or charge sniper rifle swipe back and forth over someone for full damage.

I know it's trash up close, but when you camp at range with it, with squad support, you eliminate its only weakness and greatly amplify its extreme strength (damage build up off target)

I don't need to eat hagus to know that it looks and sounds fugly

[And you clearly made a statement about "squad support" that was ignorant,and you blame it on meds? Not sure if I would want to be in your squad 0o

so by your logic, an LR user who knows his weakness and by having his squad support him covers up that weakness, that's a bad thing? that's like saying having a tank get supported by infantry is a bad thing, and thats a ******** viewpoint. In both cases we see people working together as a team to support each other and make the team more effective, nothing wrong there

I hope to God you're trolling me bro. YOU are the one who mentioned your meds...then you go to say that I said that the LR is squad support, which I did not. You misread what I wrote, and decided to jump on that. I was correcting you, mentioning that the narcotics you mentioned might be causing you to skip over things (supported by how many times you've skipped over the single point I've attempted to make over and over throughout this thread)



Just showcasing that the LRs only weakness is easily covered up by the same technique that allows its strength to be easily exploited (damage build up OFF target at range)

Than I was not the only one misreading your "squad support" statement. You trolled yourself.

I see you did not read where I spent almost 2 million sp to have that range, or that I spent another what..million sp to have the viziam..or the how much to get weponary 5 ..and how much sp for a proto suit, or the 240k isk per death? You ignore all my points, you just have it set in your heart you are right just by "observing". Get skilled than debate..k?

Dust fiend, my last advice that I can offer to you is to...Dont hate the player, hate the game. Go on irc and get your answers.

You again lol!!
The HMG is OP video, right??

Heavies are screwed.

Now its a laser rifle??

Then I guess the same results with 4X mods on an Ishukone SMG plus idiots is OP??

You are yet again misreading...holy crap, why am I still feeding you.

I said WITH SQUAD SUPPORT. You said that I said the LR IS SQUAD SUPPORT.

gbghg is responding to what I ACTUALLY SAID, where as you are still responding to what you THINK I SAID....

I just fail to see why you're rewarded for missing, is all. I've never once seen a forge gun, rail gun, or charge sniper rifle swipe back and forth over someone for full damage.

I want you to reword this idea/notion that you are 'rewarded for missing' because it isn't working for me. The single way you may be a little correct in that is that you are 'rewarded' by not alerting the player to your damage you are about to do to them until it is too late. Otherwise it is not 'rewarding' the laser user if they aren't hitting their target. If the laser user were to hit the target that he isn't currently, he WOULD kill them faster. That is simply not a reward. The damage DOES NOT GO UP just because you are NOT hitting them. It scales regardless.

Once again, breaking this down. There are discrete issues here. We have the 'sweeping' and the 'damage scaling'.

With damage scaling-

The laser rifle is NOT UNLIKE many other weapons in that it is not optimally effective the 'instant' you place the reticle over the target and fire. The time between 'press fire' and 'apply damage' is delayed. The management of that delay is where skill comes in. With AR fire. There is no delay. YOUR skill comes in response to the player's RESPONSE to your fire.

With 'sweeping'-

The sweeping technique is a function of the management of that forementioned 'delay'. That beam hitting the ground is wasted ammo. It is a step toward a 5 second burnout and additional reload time. It is time that you are advertising your location and the fact that you are pointed in a specific direction. The LR skill comes in forgiving a little bit of the difficulty in mitigating the target's response and trading it for mitigating a few more difficulties that the weapon mechanics themselves pose.

People who are saying you need to spec millions of skill points for the LR to be really good are very funny and fooling themselves...

You're rewarded because regardless of if you're hitting your opponent or not, you're always moving up to your maximum damage, which is incredibly high (the Viziam receives something like a 25% boost in DPs over its L3 version, unlike basically every other weapon in the game, though this applies to all versions of the LR)

Wasting ammo is a moot point because Nanohives, of which all but heavies can carry, and again, squad support (that shouldn't be considered in balance, since everyone can benefit from nanohives)

If someone shoots an Assault Rifle, I know where they're shooting me from. If someone shoots a sniper rifle, I have a descent idea of where they're shooting from (usually). If someone shoots a shotgun, I can hear where they're shooting from. If someone shoots a SMG, I can hear and see where it's coming from. If someone shoots a forge gun, swarm launcher, HMG, blaster installation, tank turret, etc etc, I know where it's coming from. Just because the laser is a little brighter and clearer doesn't suddenly mean it's the only weapon to suffer from this effect.

Lasers should build up damage on target, with the damage slowly lowering when off target. Basically, if you're on target all the time, you build up to max damage, and own. If your aim is meh, but you focus on one target, you'll keep fairly even DPS, slowly going up. If you hop from target to target, you will deal base damage, instead of dealing maximum damage across the board because you skilled up in lowering your overheat.

It's been stated by CCP wolfman over irc that the viziam's damage is too high and will be lowered in the next build and like i said in my earlier post "besides the amount of times where an AR can put you down in less than 2 seconds is ridiculous, the only times i've beaten them in the dps race is when i've preheated the beam before stepping out of cover." We need the current mechanics so we can compete with the high dps of weapons like the AR or sniper rifle, it's all very well saying that you should only build up damage when on target, but the problem is that staying on target will mean we'll have to stand in the open being the easiest possible target on the map for between 5-10 seconds to take down a higher tier suit, it would make lasers an almost useless weapon because you would be giving off a low DPS when you started firing, but you would instantly expose yourself to a high incoming DPS. the mechanics you're suggesting would make LR's incredibly difficult to use effectively.

Lasers should build up damage on target, with the damage slowly lowering when off target. Basically, if you're on target all the time, you build up to max damage, and own. If your aim is meh, but you focus on one target, you'll keep fairly even DPS, slowly going up...

Sorry man but I just think your requirement is arbitrary or if anything squeezing the LR into an AR paradigm 'just because'. If you want to see LR to only get a damage increase when it is on target then I want to see a penalty to AR when it isn't shooting on target. So lets trade...AR gets a 25% heat buildup when not on target and the LR can get reset when not on target. Then it's even. Both get penalties when not on target...

As for me an my mass driver I'll keep my splash damage when I don't exactly hit you

They do, it's called weapon spread

MDs are supposed to do splash damage, so that's fine.

Like I said in my previous post, perhaps the damage potential is too high, and that's what I actually have a problem with. I just have trouble wrapping my head around a weapon doing more damage the longer it's fired at the sky, but I also don't know **** about lasers.

I do know that top end damage is way too high right now, as apparently confirmed by CCP Wolfman in IRC.

I enjoy using the laser rifle I have no problems with being killed on the receiving end of it save one... A laser shouldn't slow you down when you are getting hit by it. It makes no sense that a very hot stream of light would stick to you like glue and reduce your speed. Unless it sliced your legs off, of course. If they change that small detail I'd be fine with it, just like I am fine with every weapon being as deadly as they can make it. It makes no sense to make weapons weaker.

But that got me thinking.. it would be pretty sweet to be able to laser some into pieces as their shield and armor flew off.

Honest question from ignorance...isn't there an HMG that gets more precise the longer you fire? Thereby doing more damage?