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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:30:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:out of experiment today i rolled a new alt and after 4-5 rounds of blind frustration that no matter what i did i was not going to kill anything above a basic player, i want back to old character and notice that because i dont play nearly as much as a i used too. im now getting face panned because i don't have the leet gear required to compete. My skill no longer matters at all.
and im starting to worry that the reason i dont see many newb corps in the scoreboards anymore is that anyone new gets facerolled in minutes, and just goes to pick something else up. their are three heavy hitters coming out in the next few months and I know one has already taken a large hit on the vet playerbase because i saw them all running around in it. Put simply unlike in EvE if your a new guy in dust or player who simply does not have the time to keep up. You will lose end off no question.
and before the trolls common here going HTFU. In EvE you have other things to do if your on a bad roll. in Dust thier is no other option than lose, and that will bleep players like no tomorrow, Every other shooter out their has things in place if you cant compleat in dust the vets and newbs are throw together and surprise surprise.
i dont really know how to make my point other than Dust is building it self up for a legacy issue that has plaged EvE. Vets will remain godlike and newbs will never ever be able to catch up, this gap is becoming wider and wider every month and simply don't see how in the current gameplay this can be fixed, my key worry is that 5 month in, myself someone who is been hear from the start can no longer gain any enjoyment due to constant frustrating not enjoyable fights match after match to point i just quit beucase i can tell after 3 minutes if im going to win or lose.
fix the game progression before you kill off your own game.
put another way, on other beta forums i see nothing but people looking forward to its release, on here i still see nothing but problems and new patch is completely untested and already had has holes poked in it. In my honest view this game needs to go back to drawing board and work out what type of game it wants to be because right now its failing to even do the basics right
I feel that is EXACTLY why in Dust when everything is commercially released YOU HAVE to reset all stats one more time. This game is NOT player friendly by any means. If you fall behind it really can effect your future on this game. I had to wait till open beta to start playing. Closed beta was just too hard for me. I honestly think CCP will realize just how hard this game really is for the new player and will be forced to give one last stat whipe for one last attempt to increase population of this game. IF resetting stats is out of the question you could always do Tier based as well no higher than militia,standard, and have Proto only modes. This idea sounds good on paper but if you cut up the population in so many divides you might as well have a dead game.
In the long run would be much simpler and better for the game's lifespan in the long run to just give everybody one last stat wipe when the game commercially releases. That way they can say they did everything in their power to get most people to try to play the commercially released version of this game. More people will be more open to starting when everybody else is starting from scratch rather than when everybody has the best gear. Like you said you get smacked pretty hard rather you have skill or not if you run into pub stompers. Even to this day I catch people in Enforcer and arbiter build so you will be able to fight some people but a team with a corp that pub stomps no matter how endless your skill is you are done.
I have been playing shooters for awhile and got a pretty good amount of experience and aim. Even than going up against proto dmg mod players I will be crushed in my ScoutA/Exile suit with no mods. IF I care that much and really wanna just kill them back at the risk of higher cost suits I can easily do so on most of these pubby allstars. P2W is exactly that in this game. I seen P2W where it gives you slight advantage but still requires skill. This game however P2W gives a HUGE advantage over opponents. I seen many players that I used to crush and see them go negative every single game, now that they got Aur Proto with Killswitches they can carry their own quite good. Could they have just gotten better? Of course but when they aren't using this gear they get slapped and forced to put it on to make it a fight is exactly my point the gear can increase your skill level 1-2 levels.
BluedotBad,Bad,Decent,Prettygood,KILLER Is how I normally have my skills ranked in my own head. If you are bluedotbad depending on just how bad you are you can improve up to bad or decent with aur proto and killswitches(or your respected weapon choice proto) If you are decent you can bump up to pretty good or even KILLER. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:42:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Reseting stats now or a year from now makes NO difference other then your telling CCP that there game plan is broken. What does it matter if we're a head already - a year from now we'll be 10 times further a long when new people just start out. If CCP does a reset after CLEARLY stating there will be none there will be problems.
I'm totally against a reset as it kills the point CCP is trying to make.
Reset is not so bad...You will still kill and get all ya boosters back and just have to do it one more time. Taking a small disadvantage for giving you more victims is not so bad. This game WILL NOT last 10 years if it's all just the veterans who are playing it lol. Open your mind man, look past 5 ft in front of you. IF they don't reset they can do the tier idea as I said BUT I think cutting the population up that many divides will feel like the game is dead. You don't wanna play the exact same people every single game that is when you know it's dead and Destiny will finish it off or any other game that has potential maybe Confrontation2 with real budget and time frame. IF you reset at least you are doing everything to reach out to gamers and build your community. Either way I will get my kills, I rather enjoyed the beginning of the game and slapping everybody out the way it was fun. Even now the game isn't bad I don't AFK farm I like playing it. So either way I am fine with, I am simply posting ideas out there so the game lasts and not dies. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:35:00 -
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Lol, I love this whole CCP has to stick to their word junk... What Company has 100% stuck to their word... If they were soo perfect where are they today? The Government lies look at them they are still up and going. Let's not hold them to their word it never works. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:42:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Lol, I love this whole CCP has to stick to their word junk... What Company has 100% stuck to their word... If they were soo perfect where are they today? The Government lies look at them they are still up and going. Let's not hold them to their word it never works. Cool - let's just not trust them at all. Yea, that's the kind of company I want to give my money to. Can you stop posting now? You're just being conflictive without constructive points.
Um if you want to not trust a company because they do something that is YOUR stupidity. Things always change there is nobody out there that tells you one thing and delivers on their word 100% circumstances change always. Perhaps get your head out the fairy tales and live a little life.
That was mean I am sorry. All I am saying is the person who made this thread is telling the truth there is a huge curve and to fix that you want players all on the same level ESPECIALLY day1 of your commercial release it's releasing games 101. There hasn't been much if any games that give beta testers such a HUGE advantage over commercial released players. That game would not be successful if this scares you let's play a game of FUDGE OFF..You go first... |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:51:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Lol, I love this whole CCP has to stick to their word junk... What Company has 100% stuck to their word... If they were soo perfect where are they today? The Government lies look at them they are still up and going. Let's not hold them to their word it never works. Cool - let's just not trust them at all. Yea, that's the kind of company I want to give my money to. Can you stop posting now? You're just being conflictive without constructive points. Um if you want to not trust a company because they do something that is YOUR stupidity. Things always change there is nobody out there that tells you one thing and delivers on their word 100% circumstances change always. Perhaps get your head out the fairy tales and live a little life. That was mean I am sorry. All I am saying is the person who made this thread is telling the truth there is a huge curve and to fix that you want players all on the same level ESPECIALLY day1 of your commercial release it's releasing games 101. There hasn't been much if any games that give beta testers such a HUGE advantage over commercial released players. That game would not be successful if this scares you let's play a game of FUDGE OFF..You go first... You definitely have no idea what you're talking about and are probably ignorant of all the legal problems CCP is facing right now because they say one thing then do another... But hey - maybe Bethesda turned this into a trend like Kain did to AFK farming. Who needs to trust there companies word anymore?
LOL! CCP is facing legal issues huh? For a BETA? Please just SHUT THE HEEEEEEELL UUUUUUUP!!! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:00:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:What a lot of people do not seem to get is that if things do not change soon with this game it will not go far. A lot of people who I know think that the SP is the end all be all. That may not be the case but that perception is not helping this game at all.
The IGN boards were mentioned earlier and there was a lot of truth in that comment. Many people are not thrilled with this game. I did what I could to introduce it to my friends on PSN. Many of them started the game but all but a couple still even play it.
Vets, let's be honest. None of us are here because we find this game thrilling - it may be fun to play still because of the community/friends/fun drama, but it got dull and repetitive back in November. We're still here because we're looking to prepare for the future that this game promises. If this was all there is to it - just shooting each other - I'd quit right now and never look back. I'm here for the META and nothing but. That and the RTS element we were promised then ignored.
So YOU and the "vets" should be rewarded for AFK farming? anyways wipe no wipe either way is fine. Let's get back to this dumb CCP is facing LEGAL issues because they haven't 100% delivered on their words for a damn BETA lol you are clearly making crap up. You can't sue a company for not making their BETA version to your standards. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:49:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:What a lot of people do not seem to get is that if things do not change soon with this game it will not go far. A lot of people who I know think that the SP is the end all be all. That may not be the case but that perception is not helping this game at all.
The IGN boards were mentioned earlier and there was a lot of truth in that comment. Many people are not thrilled with this game. I did what I could to introduce it to my friends on PSN. Many of them started the game but all but a couple still even play it.
Vets, let's be honest. None of us are here because we find this game thrilling - it may be fun to play still because of the community/friends/fun drama, but it got dull and repetitive back in November. We're still here because we're looking to prepare for the future that this game promises. If this was all there is to it - just shooting each other - I'd quit right now and never look back. I'm here for the META and nothing but. That and the RTS element we were promised then ignored. So YOU and the "vets" should be rewarded for AFK farming? anyways wipe no wipe either way is fine. Let's get back to this dumb CCP is facing LEGAL issues because they haven't 100% delivered on their words for a damn BETA lol you are clearly making crap up. You can't sue a company for not making their BETA version to your standards. Your a glutton for punishment :\ Early merc packs said there'd be refunds for commercial launch or some such. Commercial launch means official release - CCP says it means Open Beta. America terminology disagrees. That's a major legal issue and anyone could take it up and sue them for infringement. That's a PERFECT example of CCP saying one thing then doing another. A thing NONE of us wants in our company.
Again you are shining with flying colors in the art of stupidity OPEN BETA IS NOT Commercial Release. BETA is pre release product. Commercial Release is the final product release for the general public. Yes the OPEN Beta is released to the general public but it is still a BETA.
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:53:00 -
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Again I say...got a link?!?! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:11:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Not really i role militia fits all day everyday and seem to be still getting a high k/d but also this wont be much of a problem when the whole high sec and null sec come into play
I know you from DCUO I am xJenovax |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:13:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Laheon wrote:Not true... I started again a couple of weeks ago after taking a break for 7 months. I'd effectively not played since the middle of closed beta. I came back, and true, I went 46/70 in my first few games, but after that I came back and I'm currently hovering at about 1.1 KDR. Around that, anyway, I'm not near my PS3 so I can't check the stats.
So having gone away for 6 months (not having played any shooter whatsoever), coming back to the game with only 500k SP, with my favourite character starting off in the wrong profession (arbiter instead of enforcer) I still, within a week, started going positive on every game. I usually get over 1.5k WP on skirmish, normally above 600 on ambush, and that's with 1.1m SP.
It's not particularly SP that counts; it helps, true, but it's not everything. Situational awareness and teamwork are much better at determining how well you do. If you want to lone wolf it, then fine, be prepared to have a bad kdr and be ready to QQ. But don't make it simply about SP - higher SP simply gives you an advantage, not an "I win" button. You cannot simply come to a conclusion on this topic based on your own skill level and success, not everybody is as good as you nor do people play the game as often. Fact is, no NEW casual player can pick up this game and have even a small remote sense of fun because of the matchmaking.
This is why I am those people's voice. They are struggling I am not. I am trying to speak up for those that are behind. Those who can't keep up with SP at the moment. Those who came late.
This is not about ME. My Opinions are not about me. I can clearly hold my own in this game, wipe or no wipe won't hurt me at all I am only trying to be a opinion and a voice heard for the blue berries that aren't as good as me. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:15:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Nstomper wrote:Not really i role militia fits all day everyday and seem to be still getting a high k/d but also this wont be much of a problem when the whole high sec and null sec come into play
I know you from DCUO I am xJenovax Im sorry im not that nstomper you know from dcuo , i met that guy a while ago on C.A.M ( come at me ) suicideslums.enjin.com and we basically got things covered my old name on here was nutt stomper and i had to change it
Ah cool. I used to go to suicide slums all the time. |
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