Prove me wrong CCP

More video tutorials! Less forum posting!

BTW I will try to have a new one up by Friday

well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have.

Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic.

If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons

Dust is negative 180 days more or less. Also COD has some horrendous game breaking bugs on console on day 1 like wall hackers, infinite ammo hacks, infinite drop crates and few others. Fun as they where they did sorta ruined the game.

I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.

Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.

In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.

I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.

After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine.

I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.

Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.

In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.

I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.

After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine.

I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp.

If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content.

Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this.

I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp.

If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content.

Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this.

Maybe people like you need to quit the beta then. Its obviously not healthy for you. Then the simple fact you're trying to play this game as a gamer and not a tester is not helping the game development, telling me to play more? How about you test more? I am testing more than you are at least. Right now I am investigating loss of modules when you get revived and seeing if its possible to lose modules outside the battlefield.

Go ahead ***** and whine about balance issues, thats something you have access and I wont for years with the skill points the way the are. I am tracking down bugs and stomping them.

I do community work where I can becuase I am away from my ps3 most of the day and its the only thing I can do while away. If it means answering question in local on how to play, commenting on live streams on helping out the player figure the game out, pointing players to where they can join corps, point them on helping file petitions and where to file and how to file them, submitting bug reports, answering player questions on the forums, brining off site news to this site when the community devs miss out a bit.

I would like to play more but I have college to attend to and things to do in real life that need not concern you either scrub.

Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online?

3-6 months is fine with me...quality takes time. They've come a long way and are still pushing forward better than any other FPS out there. They are fully supporting Dust unlike most other vendors - you think EA will give this much attention to Black Ops 2 (or any of their other titles) ....insert laugh here.... Dust is dreaming big and that amount of dreams takes time to build. Enjoy this and salute CCP for doing something we've been asking for quite some time - full support.

3-6 months is fine with me...quality takes time. They've come a long way and are still pushing forward better than any other FPS out there. They are fully supporting Dust unlike most other vendors - you think EA will give this much attention to Black Ops 2 (or any of their other titles) ....insert laugh here.... Dust is dreaming big and that amount of dreams takes time to build. Enjoy this and salute CCP for doing something we've been asking for quite some time - full support.

Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online?

Becuase people like beers think this is the final version and are trying to sell it as such.

Thats like trying to sell a car without interior built into yet or hasnt been painted and calling both of those features atrocious.

You're wrong.

It's not a beta, "most" companies dont take peoples money in a beta. If it was a beta, they would refund our aurum on release and reset the SP (which they said they would do until it was "changed"). The program is available to everyone to download, there will not be ANY SP resets, sure sounds like a soft release to me.

If i'm not mistaken the closed beta testers made multiple threads and attempts on irc to let CCP know this game was not ready for open beta. Think I'm wrong? Look at all the "is this it?", "Cant take much more", "wheres the content" posts that multiple open beta testers have been posting.

Doesn't matter what you say Ironwolf, you are and always will defend CCP. I would like to know what it will take to open your eyes to the fact your company is letting you down. Even NOVA posted about the turtle's pace of content release and I thought he was CCPs no.1 fan... apparently he is no.2.

It's technically a beta according to CCP. Eve Online is also in a beta even after ten years.

You're wrong.

It's not a beta, "most" companies dont take peoples money in a beta. If it was a beta, they would refund our aurum on release and reset the SP (which they said they would do until it was "changed"). The program is available to everyone to download, there will not be ANY SP resets, sure sounds like a soft release to me.

If i'm not mistaken the closed beta testers made multiple threads and attempts on irc to let CCP know this game was not ready for open beta. Think I'm wrong? Look at all the "is this it?", "Cant take much more", "wheres the content" posts that multiple open beta testers have been posting.

Doesn't matter what you say Ironwolf you will always defend CCP. I would like to know what it will take to open your eyes to the fact your company is letting you down. Even NOVA posted about the turtle's pace of content release and I thought he was CCPs no.1 fan... apparently he is no.2.

Consumers/Fans are ultimately the ones that decide if the game is a beta or retail. Companies can say their product is a beta until they are blue in the face just to cover up the lack of progress.

Ive been in this thing for a year, I've seen the snail's pace of development. I've seen the over nerfs/under nerfs/lack of nerfs and the non-extistent content patches. The game is addictive, otherwise I wouldnt have played it for this long, but when is the lack of progress enough?

Making excuses for the pace of development is ridiculous, CCP is a well known company and until previously a highly regarded developer. Gamers all have a touch of ADD, if this game doesnt improve quickly that ADD is going to kick in and they will lose alot of their fan base to the new and shiny game. Destiny, Defiance, whatever the game is it would hold more hope than what I've seen this past year.

Made Excuses

There have been a rather increasing majority of games that go from beta into live without any refunds or resets. Most notorious of such, free to play web browser games and its becomming a very common practice on PC games as well as a 'reward' for beta testers by giving them a head start from those who join after full launch. There have been worse fiascos such as STO's 500$ sub for life which is now a free to play game. As for worse beta's going about? FFXIV which has just re-entered beta after 2 years of being launched and taking money. (though majority of it they where not charging but also no refunds either)

Arguably I agree game is not ready for public, however we have this inconvient thing called we're on a live server now, with 500k other paying players who can talk to us email us and listen to us in our chat channels. NDA though after that is impossible to hold back. Also CCP needs more stress testers and opened up further for it.

I am asking you guys to be patient I am more than asking for you guys to belive that what we have now is not final. If you think what we have now is final for launch build you're going to be mistaken. There are thousands upon thousands of missing planned features and there are a few hundred featuers missing for the launch build.

I may have my high hopes of a mid march build but they're probably going to get crushed again, however its been mostly hinted at there will be a new build by fan fest.

There may come a day where complaints about TOO MANY featuers will drown out our petty complaints about not enough stuff.

Don't see the point of debating this any further, sorry to derail thread Reg. Back to you.

Don't see the point of debating this any further, sorry to derail thread Reg. Back to you.

What works in the PC market doesn't always translate well in the console market. That is what CCP is failing to realize. Like CCP failing to realize that console gamers view betas as demos. I've said this many times. I personally have friends that tried DUST, and one of them is a huge FPS fan.

Dude tried it for 2 days, said it was garbage, and moved on. The game wasn't ready for OB, cuz like i said above, beta = demo for console gamers.

PC Market =/= Console market

^ CCP needs to understand this

@Lance

Do not insult my intelligence. I'm also a console player and I view betas as betas, not as demos. But sadly you are correct that a lot of console players view betas as demos. Those kind of players are wrong and misguided.

I didn't mean to pool up all the console gamers in there when I generalized it...my bad.

I meant most console gamers think betas are demos cuz of games like BF, KZ, Crysis etc. In reality they were more like demos than an actual beta.

What works in the PC market doesn't always translate well in the console market. That is what CCP is failing to realize. Like CCP failing to realize that console gamers view betas as demos. I've said this many times. I personally have friends that tried DUST, and one of them is a huge FPS fan.

Dude tried it for 2 days, said it was garbage, and moved on. The game wasn't ready for OB, cuz like i said above, beta = demo for console gamers.

PC Market =/= Console market

^ CCP needs to understand this

Maybe people like you need to quit the beta then. Its obviously not healthy for you. Then the simple fact you're trying to play this game as a gamer and not a tester is not helping the game development, telling me to play more? How about you test more? I am testing more than you are at least. Right now I am investigating loss of modules when you get revived and seeing if its possible to lose modules outside the battlefield.

Go ahead ***** and whine about balance issues, thats something you have access and I wont for years with the skill points the way the are. I am tracking down bugs and stomping them.

I do community work where I can becuase I am away from my ps3 most of the day and its the only thing I can do while away. If it means answering question in local on how to play, commenting on live streams on helping out the player figure the game out, pointing players to where they can join corps, point them on helping file petitions and where to file and how to file them, submitting bug reports, answering player questions on the forums, brining off site news to this site when the community devs miss out a bit.

I would like to play more but I have college to attend to and things to do in real life that need not concern you either scrub.

Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online?

Listen up *****. CCP may call this game a beta but as long as they take my money its a ******* REAL GAME. Only a nieve brainwashed fanboi like yourself can't see that.

There are a lot of people that contrbute to this community not just your self fanboi. Don't expect some sort of "oh he looks for bugs, we should listen to him" bullshit to ride.

All you ever ******* do is blindly defend ccp. Stop trying to get a job with them and play the game for what it is and tell the truth. I have high expectations for the next build. If ccp fails then I and many other players wont care because we will be playing something else.

Then you will have a new batch of players to say "O well it was just released. What do you expect?" Then a year later "Game is only a year old. Eve was bad still 1 year in and look how far it has come"

My prediction is that the next build is going to blow our socks or what ever the dropsuit equivalant of a sox is off.

Listen up *****. CCP may call this game a beta but as long as they take my money its a ******* REAL GAME. Only a nieve brainwashed fanboi like yourself can't see that.

There are a lot of people that contrbute to this community not just your self fanboi. Don't expect some sort of "oh he looks for bugs, we should listen to him" bullshit to ride.

All you ever ******* do is blindly defend ccp. Stop trying to get a job with them and play the game for what it is and tell the truth. I have high expectations for the next build. If ccp fails then I and many other players wont care because we will be playing something else.

Then you will have a new batch of players to say "O well it was just released. What do you expect?" Then a year later "Game is only a year old. Eve was bad still 1 year in and look how far it has come"

Agreed. Let's also not forget halo has some bugs that are apparent in multiplayer that should have been fixed almost a decade ago yet they are still there. How often do you see your Ghost get glitch-propelled out of the map and see your body fly off into the netherworld? What about seeing your corpse dance like a zombie?

Just a heads up, there have been plenty of unreleased games that cost money. Remember that last NFS demo that cost like 20 bucks? Or Dissidia 012: Duodiecium Prologus? And how about the Planetside 2 beta last year? This scene look familiar? And the money you spent here was voluntary, not necessary for you to get to play. If you regret your purchases, that's your fault for spending your money on an unfinished product, not CCP's.

Also, you are getting far to excited over this. Let it play out. If you want to leave, then leave. No one is twisting your arm here. Leave and come back when you feel it's lived up to your expectations if it ever does, but don't blast others for having faith in CCP just because you feel you were let down. YOU are the one keeping you here, go play COD since you feel it's so "epic from the start". Go play Planetside 2. Play BF. Hell, play ANYTHING ELSE, but unless you are going to be constructive, quit mucking up the forum with pointless whining about how bad the game is and how slow it's progressing even though you spent money on it. That does absolutely nothing to help things along here. You want it to progress faster? Maybe quit starting arguments like this so we can have constructive conversations without getting distracted by this kind of BS.

I contribute constructively all the time. Check my threads before you open your mouth kid

If you pay ******* attention to any or all of IWS posts he is the one that shows up and bashes people that create threads. Its not the other way around. If someone has issue with CCP he swoops in as super CCP fanboi to say "Its just a beta". How is that constructive? It's not if you are being honest.

So its not me that starts **** with iws and is CCP fanboi-ness. He sucks as this game and spends his free time in an academic circle jerk theory crafing dust **** no one cares about. I'm just here to call him out on it.


The reason I mention "paying for beta" is CCP themselves said (and I paraphrase as i dont have quote on my pc) that "no one should pay for a beta". So CCP assured us we would get aurum refunds until go live. Devs on irc told us "its not a offical release" or "it's not full release". When we moved to TQ there was no aurum discussion or notice from CCP. All they said was no more resets. Resets always had to do with sp never aurum. Once ccp got called on it what did they do? no public statement or dust forum post. They simply changed the wording of purchase agreement after the fact.

I contribute constructively all the time. Check my threads before you open your mouth kid

If you pay ******* attention to any or all of IWS posts he is the one that shows up and bashes people that create threads. Its not the other way around. If someone has issue with CCP he swoops in as super CCP fanboi to say "Its just a beta". How is that constructive? It's not if you are being honest.

So its not me that starts **** with iws and is CCP fanboi-ness. He sucks as this game and spends his free time in an academic circle jerk theory crafing dust **** no one cares about. I'm just here to call him out on it.


The reason I mention "paying for beta" is CCP themselves said (and I paraphrase as i dont have quote on my pc) that "no one should pay for a beta". So CCP assured us we would get aurum refunds until go live. Devs on irc told us "its not a offical release" or "it's not full release". When we moved to TQ there was no aurum discussion or notice from CCP. All they said was no more resets. Resets always had to do with sp never aurum. Once ccp got called on it what did they do? no public statement or dust forum post. They simply changed the wording of purchase agreement after the fact.

well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have.

I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress.

Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update.

CoD is priced cheaper! Assumingyou only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact.

CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact.

CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact.

My prediction is catastrophic let down. I'm basing my opinion on the releases of the past year and yours is based on dreams.

CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact.

Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level.

Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute.

That's funny.

So far, I've spent a total of $0.00 on DUST while still having full access to it's content.

Is CoD still cheaper?

BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it.

My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs.

What the hell are you even smoking?

Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model.

Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model.

Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model.

In the GNN Live Stream, CCP stated that between each build we would have to wait approximately 3 to 6 months. Personally, I find this rather discouraging. I feel that if the next build is mediocre then I will have to come to the daunting conclusion that I will have to wait 3-6 months for some real improvements. These new build are either going to make or break the game.

Now before I get picked a part by the masses, let me first explain that the above comes from my experiences of playing Dust over the last year. I'm a Vet of Vets you could say. I witnessed the Insta pop Sleek AV's that would kill everyone in a 25m radius and the dumb-fire swarm launchers from hell. I remember the great Dancing Ritual we would partake in 1v1s. Moreover, before my very eyes I saw the Rise of The God Tanks. I raged at the dreaded Space Tamsen (Breach AR) and C4s from space (REs). I was here for the Second Coming of Tanks with Missiles. Cringed when the drop-ship + Missile turret became a AC130. In all, Progress has been made, but at a very slow pace.

Now I'm not saying I know more about Dust then anyone else. I am just making a personal deduction on my past experiences regarding the rate of progress

My argument is this,

Given the past progression of each new build, I feel very discouraged that I will have to wait longer now for what I believe will be the same rate of progress.

Argue all you want on what Dust can become, but remember this, Merit is based on what has been done not what can be done.

That being said, based on my experience with DUST I do not feel very optimistic to this 3-6 month wait.

Prove me wrong CCP

I will let you have that feeling but all I am asking for is some understanding that game development is not instant.

Except any F2P player can be just as good, or even better than a P2P player. The only difference between the two is that one can get his/her hands on stuff faster, so there isn't really a difference.

So your argument sort of falls flat on its face.

It doesn't matter if the game is balanced. As a non-paying player you are considered content for the paying customer. It's that simple. Someone who doesn't make a business transaction is not a customer.

BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it.

DUST is released. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Talk is cheap and frankly that's all i heard about this game pretty much. Ive done my best to put on my best face for the escapist feed but you can hear it in there voices that the impression this game is giving is weak.


Now that said this is make or break for the current player population, maybe not the game but definitely this player population.

That said this base is the primary PSN community of fpser and live streams and content producers. If they go this game will likely hobble on along with a revolving door of 1-2 week cycle new players and thats about it.

So here this works now, 4.2.13 is the release date of Defiance, a game that former CCP devs have worked on. I've seen gameplay from a PC friend during beta test, i can tell you it plays well. Its not graphically astonishing by any means but compared to Dust in its current form its better. The game will attract a lot of players just because of the idea that it will influence a tv show and the show will influence the game.

It has both PVP and PVE and coop and MMO all ready to go. It has XP boosters that you can get in special editions which suggest you can buy those in market. Additionally it has DLC slated to come this year to expand the content.

All this will be out 4.2.13. So if this next build isn't "game" changing you will see a lot migrate over to that while they wait on GTA V, Last of Us, and a host of other games "cough" Destiny "cough" to keep us busy.

Yes maybe Dust will survive without us but you will never have the FPS talent to do the things EVE pilots really want us to do soooo.

Balls in your court CCP... now get err done or face the possibility of some very unhappy investors(I mean the corporate ones, not us).

Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic.

If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons

Version 0.7 =/= Version 1.0

I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year.

60 FPS
customizable guns
better hit detection than DUST
recoil
solid SP experience
timely patches
DLC
League play
FFA
fairly balanced match making
split screen
CO-OP
customization
file share

While it may be a finished and polished game it's still ****

While it may be a finished and polished game it's still ****

you must not be playing COD right then.

Yes, you have had plenty of constructive posts over the last several months. You are also contributing to threads that do nothing to progress the game. Discussing how bad a beta is doesn't do a thing to improve it. To improve the game, all you can do is post constructive posts and wait. If you don't want to wait, that's not CCP's fault.

IWS does pop up to remind people it's a beta quite often. Because people keep making threads like this that do nothing to try to improve it. Threads like this draw people away from threads that are actually attempting to submit ideas to improve the beta. It is distracting away from people actually trying to fix things. It may not be constructive when IWS posts that it is a beta, but at least he only does it when a thread is derailing into a pit of "this game isn't as good as it's supposed to be, QQ, QQ, QQ"

CCP has been bad at alerting us to changes that they make, but continuing to complain about it weeks and months after it was done doesn't help anything.

If you want the game to be good, don't QQ about it. Try to fix it with constructive posts. Every QQ post you put up is one more distraction from the constructive posts you have put up. You want the game to get better? Quit making people waste their time by responding to your whining when they could be coming up with ideas to fix existing issues.

I don't play COD at all, its a simple fact that COD is essentially the same game every year with some cosmetic differences,I personally prefer games with more emphasis on teamplay and vehicle combat like battlefield. I will admit though that black ops 2 is an improvement on the previous games.

60 FPS
customizable guns
better hit detection than DUST
recoil
solid SP experience
timely patches
DLC
League play
FFA
fairly balanced match making
split screen
CO-OP
customization
file share

COD might be the same game every year, but in terms of features and overall gameplay it's still leaps and bounds better than DUST. It's probably the most accessible shooter on the market. It caters to players of all skill level. Which is something this game will never be able to do.

I played MW2, I hated it. Though I mostly hated it because I sucked so much, I suck at twitch shooters . Game is still crap though.

You call it crap because you don't know how to play it properly.

60 FPS
customizable guns
better hit detection than DUST
recoil
solid SP experience
timely patches
DLC
League play
FFA
fairly balanced match making
split screen
CO-OP
customization
file share

You call it crap because you don't know how to play it properly.

I suck at twitch shooters

Which stream where you on?... so far the guys I've been wing manning for has been rather positive.

Also CCP is not a public company still, while there are share holders there only real main investors are eve online customers who so far seemingly want to see this game fail very badly and CCP is doing their best to ignore them.

IWS reallly dude stop running PR damage control. Yea they werent outright verbalizing their displeasure but you must not understand vocal tonality because you could hear it every now and again. The fact that so much has to be explained has got them a bit frustrated.

I will give you this they like many others skip the tutorials i am definitely going to tell them to spend a bit of time streaming that since its helpful.

But really this just sad, i get you're eager defense of Dust but its getting a bit desperate no?

IWS reallly dude stop running PR damage control. Yea they werent outright verbalizing their displeasure but you must not understand vocal tonality because you could hear it every now and again. The fact that so much has to be explained has got them a bit frustrated.

I will give you this they like many others skip the tutorials i am definitely going to tell them to spend a bit of time streaming that since its helpful.

But really this just sad, i get you're eager defense of Dust but its getting a bit desperate no?

They guy I wingmanned for was a semi decent sniper, and mini-monster with the hmg, he was still new to the game we talked him though on how to fit a caldari assault suit after he upgraded his skills, which we also had to walk him though on how to do. the guy had about of dozen starter fits probably given to him by the devs.

He was using the easiest classes in the game. It's not hard to 2 shot people with the sniper, and mow people down with an HMG.

Listen at around 100:00 in the ign podcast. Just as David Reid exits, the interviewers say their real opinions:

"Game has missed it's window" <--- what window?

"They tried to do too much" <--- on the contrary, some of us are saying they haven't done enough.

"End of ps3 life cycle " <--- like that really matters. Not a lot of us will dump our PS3s just because a new one came out. What are we, Apple fanatics?

Now I'm just sad

He was using the easiest classes in the game. It's not hard to 2 shot people with the sniper, and mow people down with an HMG.

The 2012 window (remember the joint marketing with the bundle in new PS3s?)

This is just saying they spread themselves too thin promising the sky and the moon and what they delivered is an incoherent mess. Think about it - if you picked up DUST and had seen no marketing video's hyping the persistent universe with EVE, what would the current DUST look like to you? A generic, tiny lobby shooter.

It's hard to have steady growth when the install base is on steady decline. They have to go native PS4 year one or the game has no chance. Also, upgrading a system every decade is hardly Apple level "upgraditis" syndrome.

They have to go native PS4 year one or the game has no chance. Also, upgrading a system every decade is hardly Apple level "upgraditis" syndrome.

Firestorm Zulu, Log onto eve, use doltan maps to locate a few FW planets, check planetary sovereignty.

Or watch this video it tells you how to pick planets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQwqINItxPg

As for David Reid not saying anything about the PS4 that's for a later date when plans are made clearer.

Another marketing dev did mention 10 year plan goes beyond the life of the ps3. However that question was more in response to PC port possibility.

I'm not an eve player and I'm not giving anymore money to this dev until I see something meaningful on the ps3. That's great eve players have a meaningful game but we don't even have the structure for one here on ps3 yet

These new build are either going to make or break the game.

Not this again.

Unless I'm very much mistaken the 3-6 months quoted is in reference to post release expansion content, not beta content updates.

Not this again.

Yes, we've actually operated on a 3 months per build the past couple builds, so the number is accurate. HOWEVER(!!! important !!!) a new build is not the same as new content, as CCP can push data to the client, even update parts of the python code, between builds.

E.g. game modes, items, maps, sounds, textures, menu items, etc, can all be updated at any time.

Um, haven't people been saying this for the entire length of the beta?

From my personal experience:
I'm playing for the cap every week and that's it... Not going to buy more Merc packs until I really see some new stuff...
GAGAH, Maurus and Z mile: Brazilian guys and my friends all left the game because of the lack of updates...
Why I still play? The idea behind all this game is AMAZING!
But I must admit, the game needs LOTS of work and I'm afraid that the DEV team isn't big enough to make all the changes needed (They are making some miracles tbh....) .

Today the released a new video for dropsuit and I said to myself "Get ready to see the new dropsuits here :D" Then after I saw, what a let down.......... The same stuff repeated over and over again!
I want drones, I want my Amarrian Dropsuit, I want battles for my own land, I want MOARRRRR!!!!
Meanwhile I will play GoW Ascencion, and if this game don't update, gonna play Defiance ...

Art team is the bottle neck on that, the dev blog is all written up, its waiting on screen shots still.

I understand, still had a huge disappointment... I was really hoping to see more info on the new dropsuits in the video...

I know I would like to see where the slow boat is going. I am more interested in the FW blog but last time I bothered the author he stated not everything was set in stone yet, which meant coding or art hasn't even started, however with foxfour rambling about its assumed already done and being worked on and cannot be spoken about yet, so exploratory process is already done and green-lit for final project. The devs have been saying soon without the tms more frequently on the irc channel as well. Which further means they have a very good idea when they're going to get done. Just it is still liable to change and not to be announced until the concrete hardens.

lolblogs
those are awesome for gettin expecatations up
yall remember those other awesome blogs that explained wonderful things? what ever happened to those.................

lolblogs
those are awesome for gettin expecatations up
yall remember those other awesome blogs that explained wonderful things? what ever happened to those.................

Oh they're real, IA would kill though.

Sorry dude, one forum warrior interjecting your comeback to a majorly distributed podcast hardly makes me feel better. You can dilludw yourself all day but the fact remains that when you leave the safety of the fanboy forums, everyone is calling this game underdeveloped and just simply bad.

Why don't you roll with your corp then?

If you go lone wolf like myself... You have to pay that price of not being able to rely on anyone, this is why I can probably mow though a squad without support at times.

This is also what makes me a very dangerous team player when I am squadded up.

I think Regnum said it better than I ever could Ironwolf...
And for those that need a summary in video of Ironwolfs past posts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

The gist of every complaint about the lack of updates ever.

Do I sense a feeling of jealousy?
Do I sense a notion of ignorance as well?
Do you realize that I mostly test the game, write down problems and submit bug reports while they're fresh on my mind?
Do you realize that I take testing priorities over gaming priorities?
Do you realize that as much as I would love to play the game, due to real life priorities which makes playing the game even possible have to tended to?

So lets break this down...

Last kills states reset was Jan 10th, there have been 55 regular days since then.
Of which only 16 of those are weekends which I normally don't play so that reduces the number of days to
39 Days

I get one hour much less on a business day give or take to play dust 514. While I would like to play dust much longer I have things to do as mentioned earlier.

Matches are give or take 20 minutes apart with down time between for restocks, skill upgrades, logging bugs, issues, stats, thoughts on weapons used and trying to recall any abnormalities of that fight if any, shopping new items and the sorts of breaks plus the spin up to the next match. I also check posts between matches to make sure what I experience is not already logged or unique on the forums this takes time as well as people don't catalog their bug naming conventions.

So that makes it about 48 kills a day if it where to be spread out on days I can or could play and well there are times I have less than an hour to play in. So there are and have to be days I do well over 48 kills in less than an hour to make for days I have missed during the business days.

Now you want to talk about team work? what about the logistics with only 500 kills since reset? yet he has more WP than you and I combined? is he a scrub?

Or what about that guy with 4000 kills but 0.25 win loss ratio? you call these guys scrubs all the time but according to your newest statement he's a big boy?

Or how about that ash-lands skirmish mode is the only one tracking kills for a few days and took sometime to fix? Oh you're too busy e-peen stroking your latestunphased kdr was during that time probably.

The point is I don't play at all
I TEST the beta.

Not this again.

Unless I'm very much mistaken the 3-6 months quoted is in reference to post release expansion content, not beta content updates.

Chicken came first if you believe in evolution.
The Egg came first if you believe in creation.
The Chicken exists if you just believe.
The Chicken doesn't exist if you choose not to believe.
In Schroeder's vision if you close a refrigerator door does the eggs exist in the refrigerator still in one piece?

Also Energy power from chicken manure alone is extraordinary inefficient use of energy due to the higher feeding requirements to generate the manure in the first place, luckily unlike ethanol you can eat a chicken and had the chicken not been edible I would almost call it an unethical use of the limited land/water/food.

Arguably still the nuclear power plant per foot and per input energy is by far the most efficient and cost effective energy source. Everything else just about is border-lining close into the negatives.

Finally Germany had plans to invade America but it would have been though Greenland and the Atlantic Ocean not the pacific. Japan attacking America was partially America's own fault, after reprimanding the Japanese on the extraordinarily poor treatment of Chinese people during the war and taking away scrap metal sales an oil, and if Admiral Yamoto went back for a for a third air strike to take out the repair yards and oil fields and fully used the extent of his submarine fleet as the Germans did. WW2 in the Pacific would have been far bloodier and much more difficult as the last of the key critical to the war carriers would have been sunk by the subs and running on fumes by the time they got to California.

Luckily Mexico didn't join the axis powers and Germany, Italy and japan where not that great of a bunch of allies, and ultimately The Furor was an idiot commander and should never had done his general's jobs.

But hey if you want to relive WW2, you should probably move to Greece, I hear the golden dawn party is gaining strength after all those austerity measures had children of David robbing the people of their money again

FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

You can't test beta unless you play beta. I've seen you play and you are so bad your not good enough to be called a scrub. Unless you are giving game feedback from a bad players point of veiw I don't get what real contributions you make to the game. Well, except free kills to the other team

Lets talk team work.

I'm a logi with more then 4k kills, 5kdr, 4+ w/l ratio, and lots of war points. I also will squad with anyone and I am not an squad elitiest (I do die a lot and swear about it). I think I proved Regnums point just fine.

If someone wants to have a constructive discussion about combat mechanics would they pick me or you? I would win by default because you would be to busy theory crafting in the irc circle jerk channel instead of playing the damn game.

@ Iron Wolf

What are you trying to do here I'am all for people discussing openly about this subject. However, you have said the same thing ten times in different ways. It is helping no one and can arguably be considered SPAM.

Furthermore, in your argument against me you use the examples that BF3 and COD have long update times. Firstly, time as never been a issue. All I said is that if their builds are like the past, then its going to be very discouraging waiting 3-6 months for something new. Secondly, your right BF3 do release their updates late about 3-5 months. However, DICE has proven that each update it worth the wait. Whereas, CCP has proven nothing. Their updates usually consist of couple new things, and half of them are broken. Lastly, was it not you said we cannot compare DUST to a finished game, yet here you're comparing.

Sense I'am here Iron Wolf, Lets talk about you. Your the type of player who would rather sit on the sidelines holding a sign saying, "I <3 CCP No Matter What", then actually play the game. In my opinion, your feedback is worthless, unneeded, and ultimately hurts more then helps. Your the type that ruin games. The type that would rather blindly follow, even if it was over a cliff. I would rather have one person who respectfully challenges and pushes the Devs then then a hundred Iron Wolfs.

Now now, before someone starts spamming that little Flag. Let me just show you what facts and points, that have lead up to this conclusion of Iron Wolf:

1.) Iron Wolf Saber Total Kill sense last reset [1857]
It has almost been two months sense the last update, and you telling me you have less the 2000 kills.You have more likes then kills! Its ironic, because it looks like you stopped playing.... a long time ago. Your telling Vets how they should think when it comes to Dust, yet you don't even play it. The Vets our dealing with the now, well you lurk on IRC for a pat on the back.

2.) You Solo????


Your a solo player in a team game. This only further proves how little you know about the game. This game is designed around the squad. It is possible to solo play, but why would you. You're play the most simplistic part of Dust, which is a solo player in Pub-matches. However, once again you know more then the Vets that Corp battle and Specialize their squads to be more effective.

3.) You hardly Corp Battle

Recon on Fire proved that. Tell me the last time you corp battle a real corp this reset. CB's is the future of DUST, yet have you ever experienced more then 10??? Talk about the great schemes of CCP, yet your not here in the game testing the platform for Fraction War.

In sum, you hardly play anymore. When you do play, it is by yourself. My problem is that you make it seem like you understand all our problems and have experienced them yourself. That cannot be farther from the truth. Your not a vet. Your casual solo player who blindly follows the word of CCP. In my opinion, your words hold no shard of credibility and are, in reality, words of another new player who does really understand the game.

Next time you want to talk with the big boys. I suggest you stop lurking in IRC, and play the damn Game.

And that entities you an opinion over a casual gamer who's gear behind and having to deal with scubs with prototype gear?

Let me counter that your opinion is less valid because you have a formulated an idea of 'how things should be.'

Also the way you're pointing out your own arrogance and unwelcoming tone on how your pro club is its own special circle jerk as you like to call it is far more exclusive and much more entitled than any other 'club' in the game and that your opinion matters more than anyone else including the scrubs the new guys the casuals the freebies or payers or the very cannon fodder in your own squad, because I have never particularly recall anyone special in your squads. and unlike Regnum I have seen you twice since reset.

Hey guys. Old time beta tester here.. left last summer when the game started going down hill. I thought I would come back to see how the game is progressing, and this thread pretty much sums things up for me. Nice to see some of you old timers still here.. beers, noc, cyn.. had a blast playing with you guys back in the day.

I once had great expectations for this game, but lost faith in CCP's ability to deliver.. I'm amazed you guys have hung in there this long.. LOL

Guess I'll download the game to see what's new, but I'm not very optimistic from what I'm reading here..

Hey guys. Old time beta tester here.. left last summer when the game started going down hill. I thought I would come back to see how the game is progressing, and this thread pretty much sums things up for me. Nice to see some of you old timers still here.. beers, noc, cyn.. had a blast playing with you guys back in the day.

I once had great expectations for this game, but lost faith in CCP's ability to deliver.. I'm amazed you guys have hung in there this long.. LOL

Guess I'll download the game to see what's new, but I'm not very optimistic from what I'm reading here..

I think Regnum said it better than I ever could Ironwolf...

And for those that need a summary in video of Ironwolfs past posts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

So you claim to represent the low skill low sp point of veiw in dust? Fair enough then I'll let you have that. As for my tone please take as me laughing at you, not with you. I am embarrassed for you and that fact that you have to defend your CCP fanboi every time you post. You can't even constructively discuss anything that doesn't paint ccp in a good light. I have no problem saying when CCP is awesome and when they fail. It's never personal as I'd still buy them a few beers if I could.

All fps games if done properly are scaled to skill and balance at the top, not the bottom. This game will fail if ccp says "we should listen to the casual scrub player who would rather do pve then pvp. That will make dust better." When you play at the limits of the game you see things differently and how they impact play. dust has to balance gear and vehicles for corp battles not public play. Why? Thats the part of dust that matters. Thats where we interact with EvE.

I am part of a club, but its one for people that are honest regarding the current state of dust. Its a big club too.

This is probably posted somewhere, but are any more wipes intended in the foreseeable future?

This is probably posted somewhere, but are any more wipes intended in the foreseeable future?

So much anger in this thread...

Well, you guys convinced me. I quit, I'll see you all again (Once/If) the game (Beta) ever gets good.

Which should be...SoonTM.

I think its very legitimate to question CCPs ability to deliver this game.

The current pace of innovation and feature deployment (vs pieinthesky dreams about what this game might do) is really really slow.

Good Hunting see you on the flip side, remember we're always free to join back up and passive sp unspent pool will be waiting for you when you get back so at least don't delete your characters.

@ Iron Wolf

What are you trying to do here I'am all for people discussing openly about this subject. However, you have said the same thing ten times in different ways. It is helping no one and can arguably be considered SPAM.

Furthermore, in your argument against me you use the examples that BF3 and COD have long update times. Firstly, time as never been a issue. All I said is that if their builds are like the past, then its going to be very discouraging waiting 3-6 months for something new. Secondly, your right BF3 do release their updates late about 3-5 months. However, DICE has proven that each update it worth the wait. Whereas, CCP has proven nothing. Their updates usually consist of couple new things, and half of them are broken. Lastly, was it not you said we cannot compare DUST to a finished game, yet here you're comparing.

Sense I'am here Iron Wolf, Lets talk about you. Your the type of player who would rather sit on the sidelines holding a sign saying, "I <3 CCP No Matter What", then actually play the game. In my opinion, your feedback is worthless, unneeded, and ultimately hurts more then helps. Your the type that ruin games. The type that would rather blindly follow, even if it was over a cliff. I would rather have one person who respectfully challenges and pushes the Devs then then a hundred Iron Wolfs.

Now now, before someone starts spamming that little Flag. Let me just show you what facts and points, that have lead up to this conclusion of Iron Wolf:

1.) Iron Wolf Saber Total Kill sense last reset [1857]
It has almost been two months sense the last update, and you telling me you have less the 2000 kills.You have more likes then kills! Its ironic, because it looks like you stopped playing.... a long time ago. Your telling Vets how they should think when it comes to Dust, yet you don't even play it. The Vets our dealing with the now, well you lurk on IRC for a pat on the back.

2.) You Solo????


Your a solo player in a team game. This only further proves how little you know about the game. This game is designed around the squad. It is possible to solo play, but why would you. You're play the most simplistic part of Dust, which is a solo player in Pub-matches. However, once again you know more then the Vets that Corp battle and Specialize their squads to be more effective.

3.) You hardly Corp Battle

Recon on Fire proved that. Tell me the last time you corp battle a real corp this reset. CB's is the future of DUST, yet have you ever experienced more then 10??? Talk about the great schemes of CCP, yet your not here in the game testing the platform for Fraction War.

In sum, you hardly play anymore. When you do play, it is by yourself. My problem is that you make it seem like you understand all our problems and have experienced them yourself. That cannot be farther from the truth. Your not a vet. Your casual solo player who blindly follows the word of CCP. In my opinion, your words hold no shard of credibility and are, in reality, words of another new player who does really understand the game.

Next time you want to talk with the big boys. I suggest you stop lurking in IRC, and play the damn Game.

I'll be back, I doubted their ability when EvE first started too, and now look at it. I'm sure they'll do this right but one can only hope.

Not sure what to say - on both sides really, 3-6 months is a long time for FPS players as they are not used to the MMO aspects of updates, at the same time, CCP needs time to develop :)

there's only one way to solve this.... FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

So you claim to represent the low skill low sp point of veiw in dust? Fair enough then I'll let you have that. As for my tone please take as me laughing at you, not with you. I am embarrassed for you and that fact that you have to defend your CCP fanboi every time you post. You can't even constructively discuss anything that doesn't paint ccp in a good light. I have no problem saying when CCP is awesome and when they fail. It's never personal as I'd still buy them a few beers if I could.

All fps games if done properly are scaled to skill and balance at the top, not the bottom. This game will fail if ccp says "we should listen to the casual scrub player who would rather do pve then pvp. That will make dust better." When you play at the limits of the game you see things differently and how they impact play. dust has to balance gear and vehicles for corp battles not public play. Why? Thats the part of dust that matters. Thats where we interact with EvE.

I am part of a club, but its one for people that are honest regarding the current state of dust. Its a big club too.

The need for such a lengthy self explanation is ridiculous. I have IRL stuff too. Stop using it as a crutch. There are many major things wrong with this game. Please stop defending the lack of communication between CCP and its community on any real plans.

There are too many excuses and not enough results. We don't demand the herculean here, just that CCP interacts with us and is willing to take the idiocy of a few people who get butt hurt that a deadline isn't met. If they were just open with us it would be 10x better. What other dev promises features but then doesn't attempt to explain them in the least, especially during alpha where feedback is huge?

The game needs more frequent and substantial updates, and thats in terms of communications as well as content.

Now you see? THAT is an (almost) completely constructive post, and one that should be put up as a new thread. Bickering here among ourselves isn't helping, but this post could be a GREAT thread. It could even be the start for a series of threads.

The first thread could be all about why we should balance the game towards corp battles and how to adjust pub matches to cope with the changes made towards this end.

Then you could follow with a series of threads about specific things and how they could be better changed to be properly balanced for corp battles. Tanks, missiles, dropsuits, weapons, passive skill scaling, the works.

You have it in you Beers, you've done this plenty in the past. Your trolling instincts just get in the way sometimes. Why don't you start the series, and we can all congregate there to discuss fixing this thing instead of wasting time with all of this back and forth bickering? I know you want this game to succeed, otherwise you wouldn't attack it so harshly when it goes off course. I'll join you there in that thread to harass you the whole way through if you like.

1 Asks a pointed question, makes destructive statement.
2 Insults, attempts shame but its an insult.
3 Another personal attack, a baseless accusation
4 fails to see the point of all my posting which means he has a stereotype complex.
5 A totally useless oxymoron lack of sentiment statement.
6 Also a likely lie if they ever met in a professional environment.

1 Makes another baseless fact the number of shooter games with top to bottom balancing is few and far between. Also just further concretes the evidence that he doesn't care as much about newer player experiences/frustations and not believing any encouragement to make it seem possible to get to the 'top.'
2 Makes an ignorant statement on how ccp decides features. Also doesnt seem to understand how ccp is planning pve.
3 States that End game is the only game.
4 Also thinks the game needs to hinge on a feature that was brought in as a last-thought mostly test bed for up and coming center piece FW fights in which Conquest mode will be based off of.
5 Makes an arrogant statement on how the game should run from his point of view, discounting meta, market, territory, wars, and numerous other features that would improve the game far more than just corp battle+

Yeah I agree its sounds really constructive

no one says you have to grind sp

I think its very legitimate to question CCPs ability to deliver this game.

The current pace of innovation and feature deployment (vs pieinthesky dreams about what this game might do) is really really slow.

The fanbois are not helping ccp figure this out sooner rather then later.

and it's going to come out looking like Sloth.