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WE LOVE ReGnUM
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:50:00 -
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In the GNN Live Stream, CCP stated that between each build we would have to wait approximately 3 to 6 months. Personally, I find this rather discouraging. I feel that if the next build is mediocre then I will have to come to the daunting conclusion that I will have to wait 3-6 months for some real improvements. These new build are either going to make or break the game.
Now before I get picked a part by the masses, let me first explain that the above comes from my experiences of playing Dust over the last year. I'm a Vet of Vets you could say. I witnessed the Insta pop Sleek AV's that would kill everyone in a 25m radius and the dumb-fire swarm launchers from hell. I remember the great Dancing Ritual we would partake in 1v1s. Moreover, before my very eyes I saw the Rise of The God Tanks. I raged at the dreaded Space Tamsen (Breach AR) and C4s from space (REs). I was here for the Second Coming of Tanks with Missiles. Cringed when the drop-ship + Missile turret became a AC130. In all, Progress has been made, but at a very slow pace.
Now I'm not saying I know more about Dust then anyone else. I am just making a personal deduction on my past experiences regarding the rate of progress
My argument is this,
Given the past progression of each new build, I feel very discouraged that I will have to wait longer now for what I believe will be the same rate of progress.
Argue all you want on what Dust can become, but remember this, Merit is based on what has been done not what can be done.
That being said, based on my experience with DUST I do not feel very optimistic to this 3-6 month wait.
Prove me wrong CCP
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Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:55:00 -
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More video tutorials! Less forum posting! |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:56:00 -
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WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote:Prove me wrong CCP
CCP already stated it will take ~7 years to max your skillz, you have much grinding to do!!!! In that time there should be 14 releases or so With your optimistic release schedule we should have a new map or 2, a new weapon and maybe some more suits to play in |
Soraya Xel
Gentlemen's Foreign Legion Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:56:00 -
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Honestly it's probably quite difficult to deploy to a PS3 any faster. Because Sony. |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:56:00 -
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Not this again.
Unless I'm very much mistaken the 3-6 months quoted is in reference to post release expansion content, not beta content updates. |
WE LOVE ReGnUM
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:57:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:More video tutorials! Less forum posting!
But I Hate editing and Commentary ...don't force me
BTW I will try to have a new one up by Friday |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:07:00 -
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WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote:BTW I will try to have a new one up by Friday Ok, good. I was worried you would say Soon TM.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:17:00 -
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well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:24:00 -
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If I remember right they said 3-6 months between major releases, with smaller updates and patches in between them. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have.
Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic.
If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:34:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons
Dust is negative 180 days more or less. Also COD has some horrendous game breaking bugs on console on day 1 like wall hackers, infinite ammo hacks, infinite drop crates and few others. Fun as they where they did sorta ruined the game. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
701
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons Dust is negative 180 days more or less. Also COD has some horrendous game breaking bugs on console on day 1 like wall hackers, infinite ammo hacks, infinite drop crates and few others. Fun as they where they did sorta ruined the game.
As much as I hate CoD, I won't compare DUST to CoD though. DUST is more similar to BF...and tbh I've been having more fun on BF3 these days than DUST.
Yeah it's a completed game and what not, but the fun factor is what I'm looking at. DUST is just about getting my SP/ISK and log off till next week, rinse and repeat. Wait to hear about what AUR stuff CCP has to release, and wait to hear "SOONGäó" on the next update... which is becoming a stale joke to say the least.
I understand the points that people make, and these days my opinion leans more on Regnum and Beer's pov.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2967
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:11:00 -
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I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:24:00 -
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It seems like CCP is trying to coordinate the DUST expansions with the Eve expansions which have traditionally been deployed every six month anyways for the past ten years. Besides, at least you won't get charged up the nose for extra content like how halo, cod, and others. |
Disposable Meatbag
Inertial Defense Systems
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:36:00 -
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I'm ready for some actual game instead of this pointless SP farming on the same 4 maps. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
701
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine.
Hey, nothing beats crunch time and deadlines like taking holidays almost back to back lol
Again, I see your point, but you're not seeing other people's points. We're supposed to be "beta testing"... testing what exactly? Been testing this same exact stuff for how many months now? Same old maps...they even brought back old maps. Same 2 game modes...so at this point, what exactly are we testing besides out patience?
People want a reason play other than SP and ISK. CCP said this coming build is suppose to be good...well I for one hope it is. |
WE LOVE ReGnUM
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:54:00 -
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I thought I made my argument clear. I guess not. I don't care how long the expansions/ patches take I just want them to have a great deal of progress in each one However, base on my previous experiences regarding this game I have been more angry then happy with the builds. I do not like the idea of waiting 3-6 months for a new build . To go, oh they added a new gun and a suit, but the rest of game is still broken, and in general the game has seen no progress. Maybe in the next 3-6 months they make it better.
All I am saying, is that I don't want the next build to be a buzzkill and have to come conclusion that I will have to wait at least 3 months.
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Firestorm Zulu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:24:00 -
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I agree with Everyone except wolf. I've come to accept that the new build won't come until a few days before fanfest and maybe even after. That back to back holiday thing made me laugh. I share redrums sentiments, The previous builds have improved things marginally. The only reason people can talk about how far this game has come since last years pre fanfest build is by the utter terrible quality of that build. Just watch the tourney footage from fanfest, it's awful.
If this game doesn't make a big step in the right direction with the new release, I'm not sure i could stomach it for another half year. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine.
I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp.
If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content.
Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this. |
Firestorm Zulu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:43:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine. I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp. If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content. Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:53:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine. I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp. If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content. Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this.
Maybe people like you need to quit the beta then. Its obviously not healthy for you. Then the simple fact you're trying to play this game as a gamer and not a tester is not helping the game development, telling me to play more? How about you test more? I am testing more than you are at least. Right now I am investigating loss of modules when you get revived and seeing if its possible to lose modules outside the battlefield.
Go ahead ***** and whine about balance issues, thats something you have access and I wont for years with the skill points the way the are. I am tracking down bugs and stomping them.
I do community work where I can becuase I am away from my ps3 most of the day and its the only thing I can do while away. If it means answering question in local on how to play, commenting on live streams on helping out the player figure the game out, pointing players to where they can join corps, point them on helping file petitions and where to file and how to file them, submitting bug reports, answering player questions on the forums, brining off site news to this site when the community devs miss out a bit.
I would like to play more but I have college to attend to and things to do in real life that need not concern you either scrub.
Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online? |
Robert Brady III
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:59:00 -
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I think the biggest issue is the complete lack of things to do other then grind SP. Grinding ISK is pretty meaningless, as the majority of us have more then we will need with the current build. Waiting 3-6 months wouldn't be a big deal if there were actual things to do or fight for. Corp Battles are the only thing you can do other than SP farm, and more often than not, in my experience at least, they are extremely unsatisfying. If there is not a decent amount of content in the next build, that will at least entertain us for 3-6 months, then I am sure Dust will be in an extremely bad spot. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
702
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine. I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp. If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content. Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this. Maybe people like you need to quit the beta then. Its obviously not healthy for you. Then the simple fact you're trying to play this game as a gamer and not a tester is not helping the game development, telling me to play more? How about you test more? I am testing more than you are at least. Right now I am investigating loss of modules when you get revived and seeing if its possible to lose modules outside the battlefield. Go ahead ***** and whine about balance issues, thats something you have access and I wont for years with the skill points the way the are. I am tracking down bugs and stomping them. I do community work where I can becuase I am away from my ps3 most of the day and its the only thing I can do while away. If it means answering question in local on how to play, commenting on live streams on helping out the player figure the game out, pointing players to where they can join corps, point them on helping file petitions and where to file and how to file them, submitting bug reports, answering player questions on the forums, brining off site news to this site when the community devs miss out a bit. I would like to play more but I have college to attend to and things to do in real life that need not concern you either scrub. Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online?
why you hef to be mad...it's only a game.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2971
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:07:00 -
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Becuase people like beers think this is the final version and are trying to sell it as such.
Thats like trying to sell a car without interior built into yet or hasnt been painted and calling both of those features atrocious. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
177
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:19:00 -
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EVE has an expansion every 6 months, yet I have seen new ships introduced in content patches in between. |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:45:00 -
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3-6 months is fine with me...quality takes time. They've come a long way and are still pushing forward better than any other FPS out there. They are fully supporting Dust unlike most other vendors - you think EA will give this much attention to Black Ops 2 (or any of their other titles) ....insert laugh here.... Dust is dreaming big and that amount of dreams takes time to build. Enjoy this and salute CCP for doing something we've been asking for quite some time - full support. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1631
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:52:00 -
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Cade Orion wrote:3-6 months is fine with me...quality takes time. They've come a long way and are still pushing forward better than any other FPS out there. They are fully supporting Dust unlike most other vendors - you think EA will give this much attention to Black Ops 2 (or any of their other titles) ....insert laugh here.... Dust is dreaming big and that amount of dreams takes time to build. Enjoy this and salute CCP for doing something we've been asking for quite some time - full support.
I despise EA games. That company likes to bribe IGN for good PR for their crappy games. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
525
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:57:00 -
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Cade Orion wrote:3-6 months is fine with me...quality takes time. They've come a long way and are still pushing forward better than any other FPS out there. They are fully supporting Dust unlike most other vendors - you think EA will give this much attention to Black Ops 2 (or any of their other titles) ....insert laugh here.... Dust is dreaming big and that amount of dreams takes time to build. Enjoy this and salute CCP for doing something we've been asking for quite some time - full support. As the saying goes "patience is a virtue" |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
680
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online?
You're wrong.
It's not a beta, "most" companies dont take peoples money in a beta. If it was a beta, they would refund our aurum on release and reset the SP (which they said they would do until it was "changed"). The program is available to everyone to download, there will not be ANY SP resets, sure sounds like a soft release to me.
If i'm not mistaken the closed beta testers made multiple threads and attempts on irc to let CCP know this game was not ready for open beta. Think I'm wrong? Look at all the "is this it?", "Cant take much more", "wheres the content" posts that multiple open beta testers have been posting.
Doesn't matter what you say Ironwolf, you are and always will defend CCP. I would like to know what it will take to open your eyes to the fact your company is letting you down. Even NOVA posted about the turtle's pace of content release and I thought he was CCPs no.1 fan... apparently he is no.2.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
852
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Becuase people like beers think this is the final version and are trying to sell it as such.
Thats like trying to sell a car without interior built into yet or hasnt been painted and calling both of those features atrocious.
this analogy only works if the interior-less car has been sitting on the showroom floor for 3 months with a little "beta" sticker on the window next to the price tag. |
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