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SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:06:00 -
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Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:09:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update.
CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:12:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. CoD is priced cheaper! Assumingyou only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:14:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact. Yes, you are correct. Cod is cheaper assuming you spend more on dust.
On the other hand, if you spend more on COD, then dust is cheaper.
The mind boggles. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:14:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact.
I don't do multiplayer on cod anymore. I rent the game for single player and buy it second hand for multiplayer to max level once and thats about it now a days.
Also lately i been feeling they should just make a call of zombies game, after all it seems they put far more effort into that game than the main one. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:15:00 -
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Firestorm Zulu wrote:Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:My prediction is that the next build is going to blow our socks or what ever the dropsuit equivalant of a sox is off. My prediction is catastrophic let down. I'm basing my opinion on the releases of the past year and yours is based on dreams.
I will let you have that feeling but all I am asking for is some understanding that game development is not instant. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:16:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact. That's funny.
So far, I've spent a total of $0.00 on DUST while still having full access to it's content.
Is CoD still cheaper? |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
274
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:19:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute. BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:20:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hey, they put out each update without making you buy the game. CoD puts out and update and pretends its a new game and makes you buy it every update. CoD is priced cheaper! Assuming you only buy a merc pack every month, and you buy CoD with "Elite" or "Season Pass", you actually spent more on DUST. A LOT more in fact. That's funny. So far, I've spent a total of $0.00 on DUST while still having full access to it's content. Is CoD still cheaper?
My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:21:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute. BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it.
DUST is released. Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:23:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs. What the hell are you even smoking? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:27:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs. What the hell are you even smoking?
Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2979
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:32:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs. What the hell are you even smoking? Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model.
Cheapest COD out of box will ever be to players 60 usd Cheapest Dust out of box will ever be to players 0 usd |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1056
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:36:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:My assumption is the "paying" customer is going to have every perk plugged in. That means the 30 day active, 4 7 day passives, and a 30 day UVT. If you purchase those things with ISK in the future, someone else merely paid for you. My assumption is not arbitrary, it is the "subscribed" player before even touching early access and vanity items. People who pay nothing and don't trade for AUR items can be seen as player controlled NPCs. What the hell are you even smoking? Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model.
I've payed for nothing but UVT, and I think you know as well as I do that it's easy to mow down guys with nothing AUR bought. Ishukone SMG -> All. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
478
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:37:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model. Except any F2P player can be just as good, or even better than a P2P player. The only difference between the two is that one can get his/her hands on stuff faster, so there isn't really a difference.
So your argument sort of falls flat on its face. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2358
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:40:00 -
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WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote:In the GNN Live Stream, CCP stated that between each build we would have to wait approximately 3 to 6 months. Personally, I find this rather discouraging. I feel that if the next build is mediocre then I will have to come to the daunting conclusion that I will have to wait 3-6 months for some real improvements. These new build are either going to make or break the game. Now before I get picked a part by the masses, let me first explain that the above comes from my experiences of playing Dust over the last year. I'm a Vet of Vets you could say. I witnessed the Insta pop Sleek AV's that would kill everyone in a 25m radius and the dumb-fire swarm launchers from hell. I remember the great Dancing Ritual we would partake in 1v1s. Moreover, before my very eyes I saw the Rise of The God Tanks. I raged at the dreaded Space Tamsen (Breach AR) and C4s from space (REs). I was here for the Second Coming of Tanks with Missiles. Cringed when the drop-ship + Missile turret became a AC130. In all, Progress has been made, but at a very slow pace. Now I'm not saying I know more about Dust then anyone else. I am just making a personal deduction on my past experiences regarding the rate of progress My argument is this, Given the past progression of each new build, I feel very discouraged that I will have to wait longer now for what I believe will be the same rate of progress. Argue all you want on what Dust can become, but remember this, Merit is based on what has been done not what can be done. That being said, based on my experience with DUST I do not feel very optimistic to this 3-6 month wait. Prove me wrong CCP
+1 agree with u Reg and dont feel optimistic considering the slow pace of things. Its been all talk about how they wanna do this an that but nothing to show for it which makes CCP atm like every other game dev i get annoyed by who hype u up and fail to deliver on expectations
hoping they prove me wrong tho but we'll see
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Firestorm Zulu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Firestorm Zulu wrote:Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:My prediction is that the next build is going to blow our socks or what ever the dropsuit equivalant of a sox is off. My prediction is catastrophic let down. I'm basing my opinion on the releases of the past year and yours is based on dreams. I will let you have that feeling but all I am asking for is some understanding that game development is not instant. I admire your fortitude. I sincerely hope that CCP recognizes the positive spin you attempt to put on this game. Unfortunately , this ain't my first rodeo, CCP is just another developer to me. I've watched a lot of games nose dive bc of the arrogance or lack of resources while failing to deliver the game the promise. Yes they say it will go for 10 years , but for the scale of this game, CCP hads hyped it in kind and its looking more and more like an inevitable let down with every passing day.
This game is a couple of months away from a straight up boycott at the current pace. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:31:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model. Except any F2P player can be just as good, or even better than a P2P player. The only difference between the two is that one can get his/her hands on stuff faster, so there isn't really a difference. So your argument sort of falls flat on its face.
It doesn't matter if the game is balanced. As a non-paying player you are considered content for the paying customer. It's that simple. Someone who doesn't make a business transaction is not a customer. |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:46:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Non paying customers are content for the paying customers. Welcome to the F2P business model. Except any F2P player can be just as good, or even better than a P2P player. The only difference between the two is that one can get his/her hands on stuff faster, so there isn't really a difference. So your argument sort of falls flat on its face. It doesn't matter if the game is balanced. As a non-paying player you are considered content for the paying customer. It's that simple. Someone who doesn't make a business transaction is not a customer.
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
301
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:00:00 -
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Talk is cheap and frankly that's all i heard about this game pretty much. Ive done my best to put on my best face for the escapist feed but you can hear it in there voices that the impression this game is giving is weak.
Now that said this is make or break for the current player population, maybe not the game but definitely this player population.
That said this base is the primary PSN community of fpser and live streams and content producers. If they go this game will likely hobble on along with a revolving door of 1-2 week cycle new players and thats about it.
So here this works now, 4.2.13 is the release date of Defiance, a game that former CCP devs have worked on. I've seen gameplay from a PC friend during beta test, i can tell you it plays well. Its not graphically astonishing by any means but compared to Dust in its current form its better. The game will attract a lot of players just because of the idea that it will influence a tv show and the show will influence the game.
It has both PVP and PVE and coop and MMO all ready to go. It has XP boosters that you can get in special editions which suggest you can buy those in market. Additionally it has DLC slated to come this year to expand the content.
All this will be out 4.2.13. So if this next build isn't "game" changing you will see a lot migrate over to that while they wait on GTA V, Last of Us, and a host of other games "cough" Destiny "cough" to keep us busy.
Yes maybe Dust will survive without us but you will never have the FPS talent to do the things EVE pilots really want us to do soooo.
Balls in your court CCP... now get err done or face the possibility of some very unhappy investors(I mean the corporate ones, not us). |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
323
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:13:00 -
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I look forward to seeing the new content... when it comes. In the meantime I'll be enjoying the sunshine :D |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2984
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:14:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute. BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it.
Guess what? All those maps modes and the sort where already built by launch day. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2984
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:15:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute. BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it. DUST is released. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Version 0.7 =/= Version 1.0 |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2984
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:16:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Talk is cheap and frankly that's all i heard about this game pretty much. Ive done my best to put on my best face for the escapist feed but you can hear it in there voices that the impression this game is giving is weak.
Now that said this is make or break for the current player population, maybe not the game but definitely this player population.
That said this base is the primary PSN community of fpser and live streams and content producers. If they go this game will likely hobble on along with a revolving door of 1-2 week cycle new players and thats about it.
So here this works now, 4.2.13 is the release date of Defiance, a game that former CCP devs have worked on. I've seen gameplay from a PC friend during beta test, i can tell you it plays well. Its not graphically astonishing by any means but compared to Dust in its current form its better. The game will attract a lot of players just because of the idea that it will influence a tv show and the show will influence the game.
It has both PVP and PVE and coop and MMO all ready to go. It has XP boosters that you can get in special editions which suggest you can buy those in market. Additionally it has DLC slated to come this year to expand the content.
All this will be out 4.2.13. So if this next build isn't "game" changing you will see a lot migrate over to that while they wait on GTA V, Last of Us, and a host of other games "cough" Destiny "cough" to keep us busy.
Yes maybe Dust will survive without us but you will never have the FPS talent to do the things EVE pilots really want us to do soooo.
Balls in your court CCP... now get err done or face the possibility of some very unhappy investors(I mean the corporate ones, not us).
Which stream where you on?... so far the guys I've been wing manning for has been rather positive.
Also CCP is not a public company still, while there are share holders there only real main investors are eve online customers who so far seemingly want to see this game fail very badly and CCP is doing their best to ignore them. |
John Xulu
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:35:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons
I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
854
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute. BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it. DUST is released. Sorry to burst your bubble. Version 0.7 =/= Version 1.0
they can name it "Version .00243" or "Version 42", but it doesn't change the fact that the game has for all intents and purposes been released. You're leaning on a technicality as an excuse. |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
57
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:47:00 -
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John Xulu wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year.
60 FPS customizable guns better hit detection than DUST recoil solid SP experience timely patches DLC League play FFA fairly balanced match making split screen CO-OP customization file share |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
530
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:48:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:John Xulu wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year. 60 FPS customizable guns better hit detection than DUST recoil solid SP experience timely patches DLC League play FFA fairly balanced match making split screen CO-OP customization file share While it may be a finished and polished game it's still **** |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
57
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:50:00 -
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gbghg wrote:ImperfectFan514 wrote:John Xulu wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year. 60 FPS customizable guns better hit detection than DUST recoil solid SP experience timely patches DLC League play FFA fairly balanced match making split screen CO-OP customization file share While it may be a finished and polished game it's still ****
you must not be playing COD right then. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:57:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:gbghg wrote:ImperfectFan514 wrote:John Xulu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Its offical you should never post again fanboi. COD is epic from day one. Dust has been nothing but trash over the last year. the rate of improvement is a joke. The content and game play is nothing more then tragic. If dust isn't an entirely new game and fast there wont be any left in dust but goons I'll admit Dust hasn't been good so far. But since when is CoD epic? That game is a terrible rehash every year. 60 FPS customizable guns better hit detection than DUST recoil solid SP experience timely patches DLC League play FFA fairly balanced match making split screen CO-OP customization file share While it may be a finished and polished game it's still ****
you must not be playing COD right then. [/quote]
No it is ****. It's basically the lowest of the low, meant to appease to the lowest common denominator.
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