The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

I do agree that it's an "instakill" button.There should be a timer or something like that rather than the 1 sec "sound of panic" that can't be avoided.Right now there's no way to avoid an OB.

This ^

It should be a 3 seconds warning so you have "half" of a chance to run away. Also re-spawning as a the OB starts, sucks big time. You see that 1sec to re-spawn count down, as you seen the OB starting... horrible feeling.

And the tactical strikes that an EVE buddy can call in are slower to drop in then the Precision strike. (Because the person in EVE needs to click a button when the person in Dust selects where he/she wants it dropped in. While if a Precision strike is dropped its almost instantaneous.)

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

They're not exactly free you know.

That's true, you have to put a TON of skill points in Orbital Bombardments, pay millions of isk, and spend a lot of time building them up...


oh wait, no you don't!

That's true, you have to put a TON of skill points in Orbital Bombardments, pay millions of isk, and spend a lot of time building them up...


oh wait, no you don't!

well on average a squad can lose up to 1.2 million isk before they get a strike authorized.

Now that most people arent in squads in pub matches, you may see less of the OB Strike

Boy, I bet there's some awesomely thorough statistical analysis backing that statement up.

If its an orbital strike from eve online players some ships may be up to just as much as well if they're blown up en-route.

That's is like saying veldspar is free in eve online just because you mine it. (in reality mining is an isk sink.)

Boy, I bet there's some awesomely thorough statistical analysis backing that statement up.

lol. Before OB's, everyone was amazed at the E3 presentation. Everyone wanted OB's in game.

then when us testers finally got to call them in, people cried they were too easy to earn (they were)

Now people (mostly tankers/vehicle ppl no doubt) want them nerfed/removed.

my feelings on this matter: The default strike is weak enough that it poses no serious threat to good vehicle pilots/smart players. honestly, most maps have several areas that provide cover from OB. that said, the OB collision detection is kinda broken. It should collide with tall buildings, to eradicate those pesky Snipicus nests high atop buildings/rooftops.

That sound means get under something. Works 9/10 timea

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

I thought EVE ships cost a lot of isk. More than a mil or two. Either way, that's not free! The EVE ships cost money, the NPC orbital strikes do not.



I don't play EVE. When I heard people talking about mining, I thought they had to go around and find minerals, and spend some time doing it. I had no idea that they were setting up mines, and had a constant stream of Veldspar deposited to their account. o.o

Skilled tankers already dominate matches they are in, unless the other team has competent AV. This almost sounds like you are asking to have free range for pubstomps. Think the PS should be kept, but lower the damage a little bit. I've survived PS's with a gunnlogi before, so I know that its not impossible.

Ive survived 6 on foot yet the tank next to me blows up..not everytime but 6 times thats a bit weird to me..lag has something to dowith it?

Ther is no warning

Take MAG and the sensor shell for APCs, incoming sensor shell and it maybe gave you 5seconds to move that **** ASAP or you lost it, same with the strafe, tower of green smoke 5sec it hits GTFO outta the way

I would at least like 5secs warning either by sound or a 5seconds light show aswell showing where it will hit

I would like to note, that on the 4 object map (can't think of the name right now) that OBs go through the buildings that cover objectives C and D. I witnessed it a few days ago, and then last night in a queue sync match. Hollow roof? Not much to hide under.

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

Has anyone considered the effects OBs will have once friendly fire is put in? They maybe awsome now but not so much when its your guys getting fragged also. That itself will tone them down plus give some warning.

HEY WHY DID THEY JUST RUN AWAY?

I DUNNO MAYBE WE SCARED THEM?

(OB alert sound)

OH **** THAT'S WHY! RUN!

(Dead) fin

lol. Before OB's, everyone was amazed at the E3 presentation. Everyone wanted OB's in game.

then when us testers finally got to call them in, people cried they were too easy to earn (they were)

Now people (mostly tankers/vehicle ppl no doubt) want them nerfed/removed.

my feelings on this matter: The default strike is weak enough that it poses no serious threat to good vehicle pilots/smart players. honestly, most maps have several areas that provide cover from OB. that said, the OB collision detection is kinda broken. It should collide with tall buildings, to eradicate those pesky Snipicus nests high atop buildings/rooftops.

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

Yeah, it's broken on that particular map right now. The roofs used to protect you, but for some reason they don't any longer. Other roofs do, but not those two. I remember running to hide underneath and cheering because I made it only to die and scream, WHAAAT?!?!?! RARGH. I am assuming it's a bug and not WAD.

I'd much rather see a nerf on the Mass Driver splash damage radius.


Orbital Strikes, while fatal, are usually a one-per-squad thing. (Two or three if you're in a good one)

From my experience; people lose more tanks to Demolitionists' mines, swarm launchers, and forge guns than they do to Orbitals.

There is nothing wrong with the mechanic as is.

Warbarge Precession Strikes are free. How much SP did you have to invest to use it? How much isk did it cost to put that warbarge up there to drop the rain?

The PS is just a get rid of tank button for all you jackrabits that didn't put SP into AV. It is completely unbalanced and a broken mechanic. Not to mention that it eliminates the need for an EVE pilot to support you (The only link dust and eve have)

If they keep this broken mechanic it needs to get smacked by the nerf bat, because why buy the cow if your getting the milk for free?

It's a weapon shot from orbit, how does it make sense that tanks should be able to survive them? yes you don't have to put sp into calling them in, because it wouldn't make a huge amount of sense to put in a skill that everyone will skill up to max as quickly as they can, and then we will be in the same situation we are now except we've all wasted a load of sp to get back to the exact same spot. and it's my understanding that instant battles take place in hi sec and concord has a thing about people shooting planets so npc warbarge strikes are the only things we can get.

Make it a SP sink then, Flyingconejo had a good idea for it. And how is the npc different then a person shooting a planet?

By that logic we shouldn't even have Precision Strikes in pubbies, (I would be fine with that)

Basically what you are saying is I didn't spec into AV and I don't want to lose my crutch.

What I'm saying is that I've put a minimal amount of sp into AV so I do some damage and I can easily lose my dropship to a couple of swarms or forge gun hit, so watching tankers qq about dying after being shot from space doesn't hold much weight.

And before you say anything else I know that you're acting incredibly biased towards your vehicles, we all do it to some extent.

At least when I get killed by a forge I know the guy at least had to aim and out play me. Swarms with their LOL lock on are a no skill weapon but atleast someone had to put SP into to be effective. The Free PS is a no skill no SP broken game mechanic and needs to be looked at.

And I commend you for still flying dropships after the only turret that could effectively protect them was nerfed into oblivion.

Warbarge Precession Strikes are free. How much SP did you have to invest to use it? How much isk did it cost to put that warbarge up there to drop the rain?

The PS is just a get rid of tank button for all you jackrabits that didn't put SP into AV. It is completely unbalanced and a broken mechanic. Not to mention that it eliminates the need for an EVE pilot to support you (The only link dust and eve have)

If they keep this broken mechanic it needs to get smacked by the nerf bat, because why buy the cow if your getting the milk for free?

Your problem with OB's are it's AV capabilities? And you want a nerf for that!? Lmao Sounds to me like you're just butthurt because you've gotten your tank taken out 1 too many times by teams that are good enough to actually earn an OB. We should total nerf the OB's because they shouldn't be able to take out HAV's right All my of AV is militia/starter grade, pretty free right, should that be nerfed too?

The only issue with OB's is that they come a little too frequently. Like I said earlier, I would like to see a 3000 WP requirement instead of our current 2500. Or like someone else mentioned, increase the WP needed to use every consecutive OB by 500.

Your problem with OB's are it's AV capabilities? And you want a nerf for that!? Lmao Sounds to me like you're just butthurt because you've gotten your tank taken out 1 too many times by teams that are good enough to actually earn an OB. We should total nerf the OB's because they shouldn't be able to take out HAV's right All my of AV is militia/starter grade, pretty free right, should that be nerfed too?

The only issue with OB's is that they come a little too frequently. Like I said earlier, I would like to see a 3000 WP requirement instead of our current 2500. Or like someone else mentioned, increase the WP needed to use every consecutive OB by 500.

That's the problem, you said by teams that were good enough to earn them. Anyone can get an OB, it's the easiest thing to do, I can get them solo. They are way to easy to get.

When squaded up we earn 3-5 OB's a game...

All I hear from you is please don't take away my get rid of tank button, because I didn't spec into AV

You should have to spec into the ability to call in a Free OB

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

Which is why I'm calling for a WP increase to call them in, I said 500 but even a 1000 WP Increase to 3500 per OB would be acceptable in my book.

If you want to go the increase each OB Called in by 500 WP. Make it so that it applies to the whole team. For example-

Squad 1 and 2 have both earned 3000 WP and are ready to call in an OB.
Squad 1 calls in OB.
Squad 2 loses current OB and must now earn another 500 WP to call in OB.
Squad 1 now needs to earn 4000 WP to call in their next OB.

Hope that made sense.

It's not free...2500 WP needs to be accumulated before its awarded. But I'm sure you knew that.....

Again your issue with OB'sare it's AV capabilities. Sorry but that's not even an issue. OB's should be more than capable of taking out tanks. OB's are meant to take out everything in it's proximity on the ground, your tank is nothing special to be excused from this mechanic. Even if they did make it a skill to call in OB's, every squad leader would obviously be skilled in it and you'd be right back here again QQing in another thread because your tanks will still be taken out.

I get what you mean, but the problem with that is that it would make it harder for squads of new players to call in OB's. for example

squad 1 is made up of experenced players from a good corp
squad 2 is made up of new players who have made their own corp and are just starting out
now squad 1 knows all the tricks to maximise wp gain and go down far less than squad 2 due to their equipment and skill
squad 1 hits the first orbital and calls it in squad 2 have just earned 1000wp
now under your system squad 2 needs to earn even more wp, that system would just mean that only the top squad on a team would get to call OB's in and it would make it much harder for new players to use one of dust's coolest mechanics.

Its a matter of ISK and SP compared to something you get for free. A FREE precision strike is a "get rid of tank button" for everyone that qq's about tanks because they don't spec into AV.

There should be some sort of risk to have orbitals. Right now there is no such risk. If a guy in EVE is dropping the rain he is risking his ship. With the FREE precision strikes there is no risk involved. Hence its a broken game mechanic

How much SP did you have to invest into OB's???? How much ISK did you spend on the OB???

sounds pretty FREE to me....

I see your point. Lets take my above solution and take it a step further then, each squad is allowed only 1 OB per certain amount of time. The more squads that are on a team, the more time each squad has to wait before being able to call in another OB.

get what you mean, but the problem with that is that it would make it harder for squads of new players to call in OB's. for example

squad 1 is made up of experenced players from a good corp
squad 2 is made up of new players who have made their own corp and are just starting out
now squad 1 knows all the tricks to maximise wp gain and go down far less than squad 2 due to their equipment and skill
squad 1 hits the first orbital and calls it in squad 2 have just earned 1000wp
now under your system squad 2 needs to earn even more wp, that system would just mean that only the top squad on a team would get to call OB's in and it would make it much harder for new players to use one of dust's coolest mechanics.

I see your point. Lets take my above solution and take it a step further then, each squad is allowed only 1 OB per certain amount of time. The more squads that are on a team, the more time each squad has to wait before being able to call in another OB.

But you might end up with squads competing to see who could call in their OB's first.

I have to say i did like your system it seemed practical and meant there was still a chance of multiple OB's but it's much harder.

What if you applied the same system along squad lines but with a larger increase, say squad 1 earns 2500wp and call in a OB they now have to earn another 3500wp to get another OB so you would need a total of 6000wp to call in two OB.

This would mean that squad 2 could still call in an OB for 2500wp but if they wanted a second they would also have to get another 3500wp.

Well each time you lose a clone one the way to that 2500 points, the time it takes, each clone your team loses a clone is a cost. It costs effort and involves risk and both are rewarded with OB. Pretty simple economics mate.

To the OP and those that think getting PS is easy or you can do it solo :

that is probably true ... for YOU, but you are also probably a highly skilled player playing on a squad with other highly skilled players.

If you look to the AVERAGE level player they make about 750 WP per game, for a total of 3000 WP per squad so a squad of AVERAGE players will just earn 1 PS near the end of the match. Hardly a game breaking threat.

If you run up against a squad making 2-3 PS's in a match, they most likely are very coordinated and high level players and deserve the extra strkies and you shouldn't cry about them because your TEAM was outplayed by them.

The PS fired from the warbarge eliminates the need to have an EVE buddy dropping the rain. (The only working link between EVE and Dust ATM)

I feel like this strike shouldn't be available and if you want to drop a strike in you need somebody in orbit.

Or if you want to keep your anti-social strike it needs to be nerfed. It is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to effective for a free strike.

There is nothing wrong with the mechanic as is when it's an actual player in eve using ammo that cost money because someone had to build it. With minerals someone else mined in an asteroid belt.

Right now, OB is only available in FW. Since pub matches don't have a known planet and district, there is no way to call in EVE help.

Also, from what I've heard, EVE OBs are much more potent than War Barge strikes.

So... No.

You shouldn't call in tanks if you're afraid they'll get blown up.

I think the free ones should be EMP strikes, not hybrid.

Also, from what I've heard, EVE OBs are much more potent than War Barge strikes.

NO

What the author of this post does not elude to is that he is a tanker and likes to pown infantry on ambush maps.

He never plays ambush, and I am 99% sure that if precision strikes were completely removed from ambush and every other mechanic left the same, he would still never play it.

If you're infantry, OMS is a better option. You have depots and structures that give you a chance to deal with HAVs, even if you haven't skilled up your AV.

NO

What the author of this post does not elude to is that he is a tanker and likes to pown infantry on ambush maps.So if by chance he actually gets an effective squad on the other team(if they are smart)they will undoubtedly target his tank.He just doesnt like the risk that involves so he asking for a nerf.

Ambush is gay, I never play that COD game mode. I rock a railgun in skirmish for the most part.

And way to post on an alt.....

It's true, he bitches like mad when we say "let's play ambush," lol.