I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again?

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.

This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick.

Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.

This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick.

million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?

You forgot meh LR.

How rude.

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?

le LR is just stupid against me fatboi just point and proceed to kill my everything

Have you actually tried shooting the GEK at a distance?

Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.

I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.

I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus.

I am the official heavy cooker.

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

H'mm I could have sworn you needed to invest skill points to use them, is their a militia variant I missed somewhere?

million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?

*claims it takes no true skill to use*
*posts video playing with skill against people without*

You didn't make your point.

million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?

Because assault & AR are the standard of FPS.

I do think that playing heavy requires skill, playing any role requires some degree of skill. I won't admit that it's a difficult role to play however, it's not hard to stay within areas where your HMG is effective as it has quite the range and accuracy. It also isn't that difficult to stay alive without a logi after you get into a type II suit, after I got my alt into a type II I was having massive lols.. Nice sprinting speed, many assaults could never get away from me; though maybe I'm just good at cutting corners.

Most people are going to flock to what they're most used to when checking out a new game. There's a lot to learn and Dust is different than a lot of shooters, so why not pick a gun and suit that fits a familiar play style at least while you figure the game out? I think that's pretty logical reasoning, it's why I went and specialized into AR. It's the staple weapon of shooters, jack of all trades, capable of all but not the best at any.

IDK, my 2 cents.

And you make no point either. I am playing with whom they put me in the round with jackwad

you can start a new character and need to play around 10-15 rounds to farm the isk, and that is enough to get you in the Type II and have the HMG. I say 10-15 rounds for players familar with the game, may be slightly more for newer players.

Because assault & AR are the standard of FPS.

I do think that playing heavy requires skill, playing any role requires some degree of skill. I won't admit that it's a difficult role to play however, it's not hard to stay within areas where your HMG is effective as it has quite the range and accuracy. It also isn't that difficult to stay alive without a logi after you get into a type II suit, after I got my alt into a type II I was having massive lols.. Nice sprinting speed, many assaults could never get away from me; though maybe I'm just good at cutting corners.

Most people are going to flock to what they're most used to when checking out a new game. There's a lot to learn and Dust is different than a lot of shooters, so why not pick a gun and suit that fits a familiar play style at least while you figure the game out? I think that's pretty logical reasoning, it's why I went and specialized into AR. It's the staple weapon of shooters, jack of all trades, capable of all but not the best at any.

Being able to kill 8 people in a timely manner without having to reload is awesome, walking tank with a gun that has good range & kills insanely quickly? Pffft. Sheesh, I gotta stop thinking about it.. making me want to play my heavy.

IDK, my 2 cents.

million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?

The Skinweave heavy has 488 armor, not 600. Then add 100 shields.

It only has one low slot, so good luck getting it's armor back up without a logi backing you.

Not to mention it's lame walk and sprint speed.

Everyone knows Skinweave heavies are easy kills.

Or I can take those points and invest in assault rifles, or anything else really, and some damage modifiers. There, heavies dead

I play a heavy, it's nowhere near as easy as you claim it is. My suits also cost a lot more than everybody else's, so they better offer some damn good protection.

Actually my favorite point, out of all the players I run across the fewest suits I see are heavies.

This game isn't about killing. Obviously Heavies job is to hold their ground and kill, so they will be more powerful at killing than everyone else. This isn't overpowered, it's by design. If you run across a heavy your best bet is to run, their speed and tracking is horrible. I've managed to be caught in their line of fire and run away and survive several times. They can't chase you and their radars can't track you, use it to your advantage. Stop playing it like every other shooter where everyone has the same speed and hitpoints and every weapon is supposed to stand toe to toe with every other weapon.



Heavy may not be one of the most challenging roles to play decently, but still requires some skill if you are holding down a base to never give it up, or if you are charging with a squad to prioritize targets on the spot to keep your buddies alive. Also keep this in mind, if you are a heavy and your team doesn't have most the null cannons, there's no much you can do about it directly. You are too slow and too detectable to try and lone wolf capture them all back. Heavies become very dependent on the team for Skirmish at least.

I've seen Heavies with Gek Assaults.

Heavies are only a problem for people who don't play as a squad.

Lets play together and not argue, you have your X amount of SP heavy, and I will break out Pimp Hand Strong my ALT heavy that has 700k sp, and we will compare on some ambush rounds, I am down with that. We can argue and debate till we are blue in the face, and still will not agree.

DING DING..........

heavies can run in a squad too.

heavies can run in a squad too.

heavies can run in a squad too.

My point wasn't about isk/skill costs, it's that other builds can counter heavies. Instead they decide to get within their range and try to out-damage them, of course they're going to die. Get out of their range and snipe them, or close the distance and blast them with a shotgun, but don't stand right in front of their HMG's.

= The good heavies that are known, i never saw any of them struggle at the end of a build like they claim happens, always good strong numbers. Perhaps later on it is not as easy to rip people to shreds and others are able to deal damage to you.

I enjoy the heavy, and enjoy the POWER and OP that it is, and take advatage of it everytime I play with it.

What numbers have you seen, that you haven't seen from a guy running assault? A sh*tty player in heavy armor is still a sh*tty player. A good player in heavy armor will probably get flanked by a good player in assault/scout/logistics. Any heavy will still get over run by swarms, if they don't have any support.

there is good and bad people behind either weapon, why stray from my main point?

the only point I was ever making that keeps going over everybodies heads is that you can get into this build from the get go and wreck people, either it be new bros, or old bros. When I say op, it is in the sense that it is to powerfull to start out with.

You can get into any build off the get go.


I run strictly Heavy tho most of the time I use FG I do use the HMG, Just to see if I was as "OP" as everyone says I been using my Logi assualt Starter Fit. I feel like a ******* SUPER HERO, I can run at insane speeds, I can even JUMP OVER RAILS! and my scores at the end of the game are almost the same as running my Type 1 Heavy.

Ok I might have a few more deathes then normal but thats my own fault ( charging HMGs head on ) The Range and Accuracy of the AR is awesome compared to the HMG.

You can get into any build off the get go.


I run strictly Heavy tho most of the time I use FG I do use the HMG, Just to see if I was as "OP" as everyone says I been using my Logi assualt Starter Fit. I feel like a ******* SUPER HERO, I can run at insane speeds, I can even JUMP OVER RAILS! and my scores at the end of the game are almost the same as running my Type 1 Heavy.

Ok I might have a few more deathes then normal but thats my own fault ( charging HMGs head on ) The Range and Accuracy of the AR is awesome compared to the HMG.

try the type II heavy, you can get that from the start, it can almost jump over rails, and dominates the Type 1,but that is just prefrence...imo

try the type II heavy, you can get that from the start, it can almost jump over rails, and dominates the Type 1,but that is just prefrence...imo

try the type II heavy, you can get that from the start, it can almost jump over rails, and dominates the Type 1,but that is just prefrence...imo

Today I took on 3 new berries in heavies solo with my heavy. A bad player is still a bad player and TBH if you're dying super easily to all heavies you need to reevaluate your build and your tactics.

I've seen Heavies with Gek Assaults.

it only takes one time trying to learn(not able to jump rails) , i still like being able to run neck and neck with assault players though.

the only point I was ever making that keeps going over everybodies heads is that you can get into this build from the get go and wreck people, either it be new bros, or old bros. When I say op, it is in the sense that it is to powerfull to start out with.

Are Heavies strong? Yes they are. However, I just consider it as the universe making up for all the times I get placed with a terrible team in Skirmish and I'm the only thing standing in the way of our team getting steamrolled.

There are plenty of things I don't enjoy facing: snipers, laser rifles, assault rifle users with the common sense to stay out of range, mass drivers, grenades, shotgun scouts sneaking up behind me...and of course, people who earned enough WP slaughtering the rest of my team to get an Orbital Strike.

If you consider Heavies OP, it's likely that you also try to put screws in with a hammer.

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

Low Rate Hitman:

You bring your Type II heavy suit and HMG and in about three weeks when I finish skilling other skills I will bring a SCOUT suit, three damage mods and a SIDEARM.

Deal??

Since the heavy is so "OP" and takes no skill.

I remember doing a SCOUT SMG build last build and going mano a mano versus heavies HMG.

HMG 16 per bullet at 2000 rpm
SMG 23 per bullet at 1000 rpm aprox.

But its more with three damage mods.
Oh did I mention HEAVIES are blind and SLOOOOOOW to turn??

zzzziiiipppppp from the Ishukone SMG to the heavies back and the heavy goes to the respawn.

HMG 16 per bullet at 2000 rpm
SMG 23 per bullet at 1000 rpm aprox.

But its more with three damage mods.
Oh did I mention HEAVIES are blind and SLOOOOOOW to turn??

how do you again have the advantage here? SMG does not even have half the range, is less accurate and deals 40% less dps than the HMG.

oh and btw heavies turning slow is a nice rumour and most players already discovered the options and increased sensitivity or they just use a mouse... turning problems fixed.

Talk about beating the dead horse.

Imo people complaining about heavies being op is just as dumb as heavies complaining that a good AR user took them out at range.

Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.

Jeez we all aren't even running full proto suits yet.

Also, I lol at the people saying that, in a Type II Heavy, they can keep up with an Assualt suit by 'cutting corners', ever tried jumping over those rails that plague all CQC maps?

TLDR: Learn to pick your fights.

We have a winner!!

Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.

oh look, this "argument" again

99% of fights happen inside of 20m, which btw is the range of the SMG with alot of SP in the sharpshooter skills. HMG has 40 meter range which obviously is plenty. additionally, the heavy can just refuse to fight against his odds, you do not have to expose yourself. the game is objective based thus the heavy can sit in his comfort zone as long as he wants together with his logibro next to him.

Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:

Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy

Step two. Aim with any weapon

Step three. Shoot

Step four. Repeat as necessary

Refuse to fight against his odds?

If you're bringing 2+ guys he can't run away since your faster than him.

Get a sniper/laser in position with view over the objective the heavy is at.

Nade him before moving in for the kill.

Bring your own heavy.

Flank him with a shotgun scout and 2-shot him.

How can he refuse to get in these situations, if he's defending an objective?

Saying that 99% of the fights happen within 20 meters is only because you let it happen that way.

Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:

Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy

Step two. Aim with any weapon

Step three. Shoot

Step four. Repeat as necessary

Yeah, so get one in your freaking squad. You wouldn't build a raiding party with 3 Thieves and a Cleric, and a football team doesn't have 11 Quarterbacks on offense.

If you want, get in a heavy suit, grab 3 more guys in heavy suits, and run around like that for awhile. Sure, you'll mow down pubbies running lonewolf, but let's see what happens when you run into a squad running a diverse and tactical strike team. You'll win that fight ONCE, and then lose over and over and over again until you figure out heavies aren't so OP after all.

step 5, because you followed the horrible advice of this player you die to 550 dps with 40 meter optimal range cause he forgot to mention to abuse cover so the heavy cannot build up accuracy with continous fire


oh look this again, people are out of arguments and start to use phantasmic hypothetical game scenarios that never happen ingame.

heavy has cover and friends too.

buff heavy cause he cannot defeat a whole squad alone! trolltastic

if you want to convince someone better start to rethink your arguments.

protip: you can defeat heavies by using cover and grenades/explosives. mass driver is great because you can pop out of cover, lob a projectile and hide again. THIS is how you fight heavies, pop out of cover, shot and hide. you do not want to let them build up accuracy by constant shooting.

Really JACK??
Have you ever played as a HEAVY with HMG??

Did you forget its 8 LOOONG seconds to RELOAD??
Did you forget its TEN SECONDS when it overheats??

DEATH is the condition that is visited on the heavy in either of these situations.

We only have 100 shields and when fully depleted ( thats 4 AR bullets ) it takes almost 15sec before they start to regenarate


And again these HMG that are "Shooting to far" are being used by people who have specd solely into HMG and/or using the Assualt HMG ( wich has more range then regular )

so, in your scenario the heavy not only fights alone against a squad without any cover but also starts without ammo, no sidearm, has to reload and his weapon magically overheats for some reason before he could fire a single bullet?

well then its time to buff the heavy cause he is really useless in such a scenario... go buff heavies!

The HEAVY HMG starts off screwed with AR users at 70M distance or after killing one the rest of the orange dots show up and kill the heavy.

Go play Skirmish when redlined or regular Ambush Jack.
Try it as a HEAVY.

why do you repeat the same nonsense over and over? why would the heavy expose himself in the open? and killing a single assault suit does not make the heavy run out of ammo for a reload....

again, you should rethink your "arguments" and stop forging some made up stories.

why do you repeat the same nonsense over and over? why would the heavy expose himself in the open? and killing a single assault suit does not make the heavy run out of ammo for a reload....

again, you should rethink your "arguments" and stop forging some made up stories.

The way I see it, this game is kind of like rock-paper-scissors. There is a counter to every loadout. Problem is that 99% of players are using scissors (AR), and they are complaining that they are being beaten by rock (hmg). Then there is the whole sp thing. Some of the new players seem frustrated that they can't go toe to toe with a more decked out merc. This is New Eden, you're not supposed to be destroying everyone day 1.

Hopefully, once corp battles begin for real, the people with high sp will go to where the higher rewards can be found, letting the new players practice in the play pen, aka pub matches.

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What an uninformed question that of why a heavy exposes itself.
The response is that to get from A to B the heavy has no option but to SLOOOOWLY try to get there and many times it DIES.


YOU only play as an ASSAULT.
Your viewpoint is that of an AR user wanting everything else nerfed.

I play as a HEAVY to find out the best ways to KILL them once I am playing SCOUT.
Its that simple.

And I am done debateing with someone who lacks the capacity to understand that slow travel "speed"...bah!! is a problem and a disadvantage for heavies.

You can strafe around them faster than they can turn in the faster suits.

Herp derp, wibble wobble

Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.

I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.

I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus.

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

as already mentioned millions of times, this is simply not true and just a rumour spread by people with no clue. using a mouse or increasing sensitivity in the options fixes the turning speed.

so, in your scenario the heavy not only fights alone against a squad without any cover but also starts without ammo, no sidearm, has to reload and his weapon magically overheats for some reason before he could fire a single bullet?

well then its time to buff the heavy cause he is really useless in such a scenario... go buff heavies!

oh look, this "argument" again

99% of fights happen inside of 20m and this is promoted by map design. 20m is the range of the SMG with alot of SP in the sharpshooter skills btw too. HMG has 40 meter range which obviously is plenty with the current map design. additionally, the heavy can just refuse to fight against his odds, you do not have to expose yourself ever. the game is objective based thus the heavy can sit in his comfort zone as long as he wants together with his logibro next to him and he can simply use a vehicle if he needs to move somewhere else.

not suggesting to nerf the heavy but all the "arguments" ever brought against a nerf are simply not true or not well thought out

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

Just killed three heavies with an SMG and I noticed this thread.....LOL!!!
Now when I see a heavy I think its either someone getting rid of salvaged HMGs for LOLs or if its a newbie then I think poor kitten must be new.

I see dead heavies!!!!
And imagine all the poor newberries reading all the QQ about heavies threads and then deciding on going heavy and then discovering three results:

(pick one).
Dead heavy.
Dead heavy.
Dead heavy.


Just got my "B" series Scout suit and am trying to decide if proto Scout or level up my Assault suits??

lol because most of us new players that picked up this game stuck to what we new best. Plus, I actually like EARNING my kills

lol, GEK 38 earning kills?

The AR is probably the easiest weapon to use in the game.

Proto scout! That's what I'd to with!

Screw assault.... It's too.... Normal!

Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.

I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.

I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus.

Just killed three heavies with an SMG and I noticed this thread.....LOL!!!
Now when I see a heavy I think its either someone getting rid of salvaged HMGs for LOLs or if its a newbie then I think poor kitten must be new.

I see dead heavies!!!!
And imagine all the poor newberries reading all the QQ about heavies threads and then deciding on going heavy and then discovering three results:

(pick one).
Dead heavy.
Dead heavy.
Dead heavy.


Just got my "B" series Scout suit and am trying to decide if proto Scout or level up my Assault suits??

I did not know we was still talking about a video that was made at the start of a build. Where do I start? hmmm... If you happened to watch any of my follow up videos you would see that what made this op AT THE TIME, is that it was, the start of a build. And i have shown many many many many people how to start off in this build and have been thanked many of times with them saying... I am glad i started over and watched your "How to" get in the type II heavy with HMG due to it being so much easier. I am not going to just smear a class nor did I, I simply said this is easy and takes no skill.

I broke that old Pimp Hand Strong class out the other day, it has 700k sp going up heavys with 6 million sp and I was getting laid to rest....

The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG

http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ

Cause bunny hopping around in lag + a completely ****** frame rate takes so much more skill amirite

The problem I have with that is no one bothered to tell those folks who invested millions of sp into the heavy class this:

Its not worth it to go beyond heavy suit level one and HMG level one.
Instead those folks saw videos like yours and went yeah!! and they invested heavily into the lol! heavy class.

And now they discover that they are kittened and need to spend two months of sp into logi, assault or scout classes.

How much better if you had started off your videos with a WARNING that the heavy class was for two weeks at best.

2 Words "Breach Shotgun" :)