HMG 16 per bullet at 2000 rpm
SMG 23 per bullet at 1000 rpm aprox.

But its more with three damage mods.
Oh did I mention HEAVIES are blind and SLOOOOOOW to turn??

how do you again have the advantage here? SMG does not even have half the range, is less accurate and deals 40% less dps than the HMG.

oh and btw heavies turning slow is a nice rumour and most players already discovered the options and increased sensitivity or they just use a mouse... turning problems fixed.

Talk about beating the dead horse.

Imo people complaining about heavies being op is just as dumb as heavies complaining that a good AR user took them out at range.

Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.

Jeez we all aren't even running full proto suits yet.

Also, I lol at the people saying that, in a Type II Heavy, they can keep up with an Assualt suit by 'cutting corners', ever tried jumping over those rails that plague all CQC maps?

TLDR: Learn to pick your fights.

We have a winner!!

Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.

oh look, this "argument" again

99% of fights happen inside of 20m, which btw is the range of the SMG with alot of SP in the sharpshooter skills. HMG has 40 meter range which obviously is plenty. additionally, the heavy can just refuse to fight against his odds, you do not have to expose yourself. the game is objective based thus the heavy can sit in his comfort zone as long as he wants together with his logibro next to him.

Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:

Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy

Step two. Aim with any weapon

Step three. Shoot

Step four. Repeat as necessary

Refuse to fight against his odds?

If you're bringing 2+ guys he can't run away since your faster than him.

Get a sniper/laser in position with view over the objective the heavy is at.

Nade him before moving in for the kill.

Bring your own heavy.

Flank him with a shotgun scout and 2-shot him.

How can he refuse to get in these situations, if he's defending an objective?

Saying that 99% of the fights happen within 20 meters is only because you let it happen that way.

Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:

Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy

Step two. Aim with any weapon

Step three. Shoot

Step four. Repeat as necessary

Yeah, so get one in your freaking squad. You wouldn't build a raiding party with 3 Thieves and a Cleric, and a football team doesn't have 11 Quarterbacks on offense.

If you want, get in a heavy suit, grab 3 more guys in heavy suits, and run around like that for awhile. Sure, you'll mow down pubbies running lonewolf, but let's see what happens when you run into a squad running a diverse and tactical strike team. You'll win that fight ONCE, and then lose over and over and over again until you figure out heavies aren't so OP after all.

step 5, because you followed the horrible advice of this player you die to 550 dps with 40 meter optimal range cause he forgot to mention to abuse cover so the heavy cannot build up accuracy with continous fire


oh look this again, people are out of arguments and start to use phantasmic hypothetical game scenarios that never happen ingame.

heavy has cover and friends too.

buff heavy cause he cannot defeat a whole squad alone! trolltastic

if you want to convince someone better start to rethink your arguments.

protip: you can defeat heavies by using cover and grenades/explosives. mass driver is great because you can pop out of cover, lob a projectile and hide again. THIS is how you fight heavies, pop out of cover, shot and hide. you do not want to let them build up accuracy by constant shooting.

Really JACK??
Have you ever played as a HEAVY with HMG??

Did you forget its 8 LOOONG seconds to RELOAD??
Did you forget its TEN SECONDS when it overheats??

DEATH is the condition that is visited on the heavy in either of these situations.

We only have 100 shields and when fully depleted ( thats 4 AR bullets ) it takes almost 15sec before they start to regenarate


And again these HMG that are "Shooting to far" are being used by people who have specd solely into HMG and/or using the Assualt HMG ( wich has more range then regular )

so, in your scenario the heavy not only fights alone against a squad without any cover but also starts without ammo, no sidearm, has to reload and his weapon magically overheats for some reason before he could fire a single bullet?

well then its time to buff the heavy cause he is really useless in such a scenario... go buff heavies!

The HEAVY HMG starts off screwed with AR users at 70M distance or after killing one the rest of the orange dots show up and kill the heavy.

Go play Skirmish when redlined or regular Ambush Jack.
Try it as a HEAVY.

why do you repeat the same nonsense over and over? why would the heavy expose himself in the open? and killing a single assault suit does not make the heavy run out of ammo for a reload....

again, you should rethink your "arguments" and stop forging some made up stories.

why do you repeat the same nonsense over and over? why would the heavy expose himself in the open? and killing a single assault suit does not make the heavy run out of ammo for a reload....

again, you should rethink your "arguments" and stop forging some made up stories.

The way I see it, this game is kind of like rock-paper-scissors. There is a counter to every loadout. Problem is that 99% of players are using scissors (AR), and they are complaining that they are being beaten by rock (hmg). Then there is the whole sp thing. Some of the new players seem frustrated that they can't go toe to toe with a more decked out merc. This is New Eden, you're not supposed to be destroying everyone day 1.

Hopefully, once corp battles begin for real, the people with high sp will go to where the higher rewards can be found, letting the new players practice in the play pen, aka pub matches.

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What an uninformed question that of why a heavy exposes itself.
The response is that to get from A to B the heavy has no option but to SLOOOOWLY try to get there and many times it DIES.


YOU only play as an ASSAULT.
Your viewpoint is that of an AR user wanting everything else nerfed.

I play as a HEAVY to find out the best ways to KILL them once I am playing SCOUT.
Its that simple.

And I am done debateing with someone who lacks the capacity to understand that slow travel "speed"...bah!! is a problem and a disadvantage for heavies.

You can strafe around them faster than they can turn in the faster suits.

Herp derp, wibble wobble