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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 10:58:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ Low Rate Hitman:
You bring your Type II heavy suit and HMG and in about three weeks when I finish skilling other skills I will bring a SCOUT suit, three damage mods and a SIDEARM.
Deal??
Since the heavy is so "OP" and takes no skill.
I remember doing a SCOUT SMG build last build and going mano a mano versus heavies HMG.
HMG 16 per bullet at 2000 rpm SMG 23 per bullet at 1000 rpm aprox.
But its more with three damage mods. Oh did I mention HEAVIES are blind and SLOOOOOOW to turn??
zzzziiiipppppp from the Ishukone SMG to the heavies back and the heavy goes to the respawn.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 11:27:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: HMG 16 per bullet at 2000 rpm SMG 23 per bullet at 1000 rpm aprox.
But its more with three damage mods. Oh did I mention HEAVIES are blind and SLOOOOOOW to turn??
how do you again have the advantage here? SMG does not even have half the range, is less accurate and deals 40% less dps than the HMG. oh and btw heavies turning slow is a nice rumour and most players already discovered the options and increased sensitivity or they just use a mouse... turning problems fixed.
By playing a HEAVY I see these two hidden nerfs: HMG with full clip and NO overheat in 1 out of five times just refuses to fire...LOL that sucks when it does that.
An AR or SMG shooting at a heavy HMG forces the HMG bullet stream to FALTER down to 400 RPM INSTEAD of the ADVERTISED 2000 RPM.
Video in a few weeks so you can SEE what I am talking about.
1000 RPM SMG versus 400 RPM HMG equals DEAD heavy. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 12:41:00 -
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Jal R wrote:Talk about beating the dead horse.
Imo people complaining about heavies being op is just as dumb as heavies complaining that a good AR user took them out at range.
Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.
Jeez we all aren't even running full proto suits yet.
Also, I lol at the people saying that, in a Type II Heavy, they can keep up with an Assualt suit by 'cutting corners', ever tried jumping over those rails that plague all CQC maps?
TLDR: Learn to pick your fights.
Yeah I know. But folks play for a few rounds versus scrubs and they think its OP until a better equipped scout kills them with a sidearm SMG then you never hear about those QQ.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 13:54:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:
Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy
Step two. Aim with any weapon
Step three. Shoot
Step four. Repeat as necessary
The LOL version: Place remote explosive around corner and get a heavy HMG to follow and BOOOOM!!!! Died as a heavy many times to that.
And my fav is faceing an AR user with a gek-38 dual damage mods and I am dead a few seconds later....sigh. Where is that invincibility I ask.
And wait!! theres the mass-holes that kill me no problem.
Anywho my SP points are going into a better scout suit then maybe a pilot or commander suit.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:04:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Ultimate guide to killing a heavy:
Step one. Put 25 meters or so between you and said heavy
Step two. Aim with any weapon
Step three. Shoot
Step four. Repeat as necessary step 5, because you followed the horrible advice of this player you die to 550 dps with 40 meter optimal range cause he forgot to mention to abuse cover so the heavy cannot build up accuracy with continous fire Bendtner92 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Jal R wrote: Don't go trying to say that because of the extra hp a heavy is stronger than the other suits. Once the bad AR users learn to keep a fair distance to heavies and ADS them to get headshots, you'll realise the only real niche of a HMG heavy is in CQC or against low SP nubs that stand still or against those that can't aim.
oh look, this "argument" again 99% of fights happen inside of 20m, which btw is the range of the SMG with alot of SP in the sharpshooter skills. HMG has 40 meter range which obviously is plenty. additionally, the heavy can just refuse to fight against his odds, you do not have to expose yourself. the game is objective based thus the heavy can sit in his comfort zone as long as he wants together with his logibro next to him. Refuse to fight against his odds? If you're bringing 2+ guys he can't run away since your faster than him. Get a sniper/laser in position with view over the objective the heavy is at. Nade him before moving in for the kill. Bring your own heavy. Flank him with a shotgun scout and 2-shot him. How can he refuse to get in these situations, if he's defending an objective? Saying that 99% of the fights happen within 20 meters is only because you let it happen that way. oh look this again, people are out of arguments and start to use phantasmic hypothetical game scenarios that never happen ingame. heavy has cover and friends too. buff heavy cause he cannot defeat a whole squad alone! trolltastic if you want to convince someone better start to rethink your arguments. protip: you can defeat heavies by using cover and grenades/explosives. mass driver is great because you can pop out of cover, lob a projectile and hide again. THIS is how you fight heavies, pop out of cover, shot and hide. you do not want to let them build up accuracy by constant shooting.
Really JACK?? Have you ever played as a HEAVY with HMG??
Did you forget its 8 LOOONG seconds to RELOAD?? Did you forget its TEN SECONDS when it overheats??
DEATH is the condition that is visited on the heavy in either of these situations. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:21:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Really JACK?? Have you ever played as a HEAVY with HMG??
Did you forget its 8 LOOONG seconds to RELOAD?? Did you forget its TEN SECONDS when it overheats??
DEATH is the condition that is visited on the heavy in either of these situations.
so, in your scenario the heavy not only fights alone against a squad without any cover but also starts without ammo, no sidearm, has to reload and his weapon magically overheats for some reason before he could fire a single bullet? well then its time to buff the heavy cause he is really useless in such a scenario... go buff heavies!
The HEAVY HMG starts off screwed with AR users at 70M distance or after killing one the rest of the orange dots show up and kill the heavy.
Go play Skirmish when redlined or regular Ambush Jack. Try it as a HEAVY.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:44:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Really JACK?? Have you ever played as a HEAVY with HMG??
Did you forget its 8 LOOONG seconds to RELOAD?? Did you forget its TEN SECONDS when it overheats??
DEATH is the condition that is visited on the heavy in either of these situations.
so, in your scenario the heavy not only fights alone against a squad without any cover but also starts without ammo, no sidearm, has to reload and his weapon magically overheats for some reason before he could fire a single bullet? well then its time to buff the heavy cause he is really useless in such a scenario... go buff heavies! The HEAVY HMG starts off screwed with AR users at 70M distance or after killing one the rest of the orange dots show up and kill the heavy. Go play Skirmish when redlined or regular Ambush Jack. Try it as a HEAVY. why do you repeat the same nonsense over and over? why would the heavy expose himself in the open? and killing a single assault suit does not make the heavy run out of ammo for a reload.... again, you should rethink your "arguments" and stop forging some made up stories.
What an uninformed question that of why a heavy exposes itself. The response is that to get from A to B the heavy has no option but to SLOOOOWLY try to get there and many times it DIES.
YOU only play as an ASSAULT. Your viewpoint is that of an AR user wanting everything else nerfed.
I play as a HEAVY to find out the best ways to KILL them once I am playing SCOUT. Its that simple.
And I am done debateing with someone who lacks the capacity to understand that slow travel "speed"...bah!! is a problem and a disadvantage for heavies. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:50:00 -
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Tarsious Jones wrote:The way I see it, this game is kind of like rock-paper-scissors. There is a counter to every loadout. Problem is that 99% of players are using scissors (AR), and they are complaining that they are being beaten by rock (hmg). Then there is the whole sp thing. Some of the new players seem frustrated that they can't go toe to toe with a more decked out merc. This is New Eden, you're not supposed to be destroying everyone day 1.
Hopefully, once corp battles begin for real, the people with high sp will go to where the higher rewards can be found, letting the new players practice in the play pen, aka pub matches.
I am learning the evil ways of rock only to better be able to negate it once I am playing paper AKA shotgun/SMG Scout. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:16:00 -
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Just killed three heavies with an SMG and I noticed this thread.....LOL!!! Now when I see a heavy I think its either someone getting rid of salvaged HMGs for LOLs or if its a newbie then I think poor kitten must be new.
I see dead heavies!!!! And imagine all the poor newberries reading all the QQ about heavies threads and then deciding on going heavy and then discovering three results:
(pick one). Dead heavy. Dead heavy. Dead heavy.
Just got my "B" series Scout suit and am trying to decide if proto Scout or level up my Assault suits?? |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.03.22 06:18:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Just killed three heavies with an SMG and I noticed this thread.....LOL!!! Now when I see a heavy I think its either someone getting rid of salvaged HMGs for LOLs or if its a newbie then I think poor kitten must be new.
I see dead heavies!!!! And imagine all the poor newberries reading all the QQ about heavies threads and then deciding on going heavy and then discovering three results:
(pick one). Dead heavy. Dead heavy. Dead heavy.
Just got my "B" series Scout suit and am trying to decide if proto Scout or level up my Assault suits?? Proto scout! That's what I'd to with! Screw assault.... It's too.... Normal!
Yep. Proto scout with proto nova knifes is fun. But then its also fun just using the smg to kill the heavies.
Hmmm but then the best way to get snipers to ragequit is to melee them. Hmmm lets try melee on heavies for lols?? 900hp damage per R3 press. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.03.22 06:43:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I did not know we was still talking about a video that was made at the start of a build. Where do I start? hmmm... If you happened to watch any of my follow up videos you would see that what made this op AT THE TIME, is that it was, the start of a build. And i have shown many many many many people how to start off in this build and have been thanked many of times with them saying... I am glad i started over and watched your "How to" get in the type II heavy with HMG due to it being so much easier. I am not going to just smear a class nor did I, I simply said this is easy and takes no skill. I broke that old Pimp Hand Strong class out the other day, it has 700k sp going up heavys with 6 million sp and I was getting laid to rest....
The problem I have with that is no one bothered to tell those folks who invested millions of sp into the heavy class this:
Its not worth it to go beyond heavy suit level one and HMG level one. Instead those folks saw videos like yours and went yeah!! and they invested heavily into the lol! heavy class.
And now they discover that they are kittened and need to spend two months of sp into logi, assault or scout classes.
How much better if you had started off your videos with a WARNING that the heavy class was for two weeks at best.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:46:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:2 Words "Breach Shotgun" :)
Yep!!
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