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TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:42:00 -
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Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.
I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.
I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:46:00 -
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I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are there to being a heavy again? |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:49:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again?
The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG
http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:53:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ
We have a winner!! |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:53:00 -
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Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:54:00 -
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You can always beat them in a spec'ed lav. They are to slow to dodge the front of your car.
I'm actually using my LAV a lot, going like 20/1 in ambush. Most of my roadkill is heavy users. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:55:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick.
You forgot meh LR.
How rude. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:55:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick.
I found using a exile AR with 2 complex dmg mods and skilled 3 into AR profeciency takes them down rather fast
I have found no need at this juncture of the game to break the gek or duvolle AR out full time, but only as a payback novelity for the people that feel the need to run them 24/7 |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:57:00 -
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SKINWEAVE heavy is worse then SKINWEAVE assault! |
Nelo Angel0
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:57:00 -
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million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults? |
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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:58:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?
Have you actually tried shooting the GEK at a distance? |
DropKickSuicide
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:59:00 -
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We only have 100 shields and when fully depleted ( thats 4 AR bullets ) it takes almost 15sec before they start to regenarate
And again these HMG that are "Shooting to far" are being used by people who have specd solely into HMG and/or using the Assualt HMG ( wich has more range then regular ) |
Nelo Angel0
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:59:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick. You forgot meh LR. How rude.
le LR is just stupid against me fatboi just point and proceed to kill my everything |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:59:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ
H'mm I could have sworn you needed to invest skill points to use them, is their a militia variant I missed somewhere? |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:59:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?
lol because most of us new players that picked up this game stuck to what we new best. Plus, I actually like EARNING my kills |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:00:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick. You forgot meh LR. How rude. le LR is just stupid against me fatboi just point and proceed to kill my everything
I am the official heavy cooker. |
Nelo Angel0
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:00:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults? Have you actually tried shooting the GEK at a distance?
no but i do have a assualt and logibro sub under my heavy and i'm taking heavies out with the MLT soooo |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:00:00 -
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote:Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.
I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.
I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus. The Skinweave heavy has 488 armor, not 600. Then add 100 shields.
It only has one low slot, so good luck getting it's armor back up without a logi backing you.
Not to mention it's lame walk and sprint speed.
Everyone knows Skinweave heavies are easy kills. |
Nelo Angel0
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:01:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Want to kill a heavy? Mass Driver or Sniper RIfle from afar.
This isn't COD people, where you can just run and gun and expect to survive. You play to your strengths in a team, or you die quick. You forgot meh LR. How rude. le LR is just stupid against me fatboi just point and proceed to kill my everything I am the official heavy cooker.
sometimes to be nice i let type1 heavies see me before i burn the image of a type2 heavy sniping them with a LR from afar
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:05:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ
*claims it takes no true skill to use* *posts video playing with skill against people without*
You didn't make your point. |
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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:07:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ H'mm I could have sworn you needed to invest skill points to use them, is their a militia variant I missed somewhere?
you can start a new character and need to play around 10-15 rounds to farm the isk, and that is enough to get you in the Type II and have the HMG. I say 10-15 rounds for players familar with the game, may be slightly more for newer players. |
James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:08:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?
Because assault & AR are the standard of FPS.
I do think that playing heavy requires skill, playing any role requires some degree of skill. I won't admit that it's a difficult role to play however, it's not hard to stay within areas where your HMG is effective as it has quite the range and accuracy. It also isn't that difficult to stay alive without a logi after you get into a type II suit, after I got my alt into a type II I was having massive lols.. Nice sprinting speed, many assaults could never get away from me; though maybe I'm just good at cutting corners.
Most people are going to flock to what they're most used to when checking out a new game. There's a lot to learn and Dust is different than a lot of shooters, so why not pick a gun and suit that fits a familiar play style at least while you figure the game out? I think that's pretty logical reasoning, it's why I went and specialized into AR. It's the staple weapon of shooters, jack of all trades, capable of all but not the best at any.
Being able to kill 8 people in a timely manner without having to reload is awesome, walking tank with a gun that has good range & kills insanely quickly? Pffft. Sheesh, I gotta stop thinking about it.. making me want to play my heavy.
IDK, my 2 cents. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:09:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ *claims it takes no true skill to use* *posts video playing with skill against people without* You didn't make your point.
And you make no point either. I am playing with whom they put me in the round with jackwad |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:09:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults? Actually my favorite point, out of all the players I run across the fewest suits I see are heavies.
This game isn't about killing. Obviously Heavies job is to hold their ground and kill, so they will be more powerful at killing than everyone else. This isn't overpowered, it's by design. If you run across a heavy your best bet is to run, their speed and tracking is horrible. I've managed to be caught in their line of fire and run away and survive several times. They can't chase you and their radars can't track you, use it to your advantage. Stop playing it like every other shooter where everyone has the same speed and hitpoints and every weapon is supposed to stand toe to toe with every other weapon.
James-5955 wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults? Because assault & AR are the standard of FPS. I do think that playing heavy requires skill, playing any role requires some degree of skill. I won't admit that it's a difficult role to play however, it's not hard to stay within areas where your HMG is effective as it has quite the range and accuracy. It also isn't that difficult to stay alive without a logi after you get into a type II suit, after I got my alt into a type II I was having massive lols.. Nice sprinting speed, many assaults could never get away from me; though maybe I'm just good at cutting corners. Most people are going to flock to what they're most used to when checking out a new game. There's a lot to learn and Dust is different than a lot of shooters, so why not pick a gun and suit that fits a familiar play style at least while you figure the game out? I think that's pretty logical reasoning, it's why I went and specialized into AR. It's the staple weapon of shooters, jack of all trades, capable of all but not the best at any. IDK, my 2 cents. Heavy may not be one of the most challenging roles to play decently, but still requires some skill if you are holding down a base to never give it up, or if you are charging with a squad to prioritize targets on the spot to keep your buddies alive. Also keep this in mind, if you are a heavy and your team doesn't have most the null cannons, there's no much you can do about it directly. You are too slow and too detectable to try and lone wolf capture them all back. Heavies become very dependent on the team for Skirmish at least. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:11:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I'm pretty sure their shields are already practically the same as everybody else's, and unlike shields, armor doesn't recover on it's own. At higher levels, assault suits can equip more shields than heavies, so what perks are their to being a heavy again? The perk is that it requires no true skill to use the HMG http://youtu.be/EW37vsY2NMQ *claims it takes no true skill to use* *posts video playing with skill against people without* You didn't make your point. And you make no point either. I am playing with whom they put me in the round with jackwad
I have videos of me in this suit taking some of the stronger people in the game down, do I need to post that? will that prove my point that a 700k sp heavy with hmg is op? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:18:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:
you can start a new character and need to play around 10-15 rounds to farm the isk, and that is enough to get you in the Type II and have the HMG. I say 10-15 rounds for players familar with the game, may be slightly more for newer players.
Or I can take those points and invest in assault rifles, or anything else really, and some damage modifiers. There, heavies dead
I play a heavy, it's nowhere near as easy as you claim it is. My suits also cost a lot more than everybody else's, so they better offer some damn good protection.
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Nelo Angel0
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:19:00 -
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James-5955 wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults? Because assault & AR are the standard of FPS. I do think that playing heavy requires skill, playing any role requires some degree of skill. I won't admit that it's a difficult role to play however, it's not hard to stay within areas where your HMG is effective as it has quite the range and accuracy. It also isn't that difficult to stay alive without a logi after you get into a type II suit, after I got my alt into a type II I was having massive lols.. Nice sprinting speed, many assaults could never get away from me; though maybe I'm just good at cutting corners. Most people are going to flock to what they're most used to when checking out a new game. There's a lot to learn and Dust is different than a lot of shooters, so why not pick a gun and suit that fits a familiar play style at least while you figure the game out? I think that's pretty logical reasoning, it's why I went and specialized into AR. It's the staple weapon of shooters, jack of all trades, capable of all but not the best at any. Being able to kill 8 people in a timely manner without having to reload is awesome, walking tank with a gun that has good range & kills insanely quickly? Pffft. Sheesh, I gotta stop thinking about it.. making me want to play my heavy. IDK, my 2 cents.
my logic for heavies is it's not that their job is easy to do; their just very effective at doing it( or something along that line). But yeah that typeII heavy really makes a difference when clearing out an objective. The heavy has just enough speed to cut corners and enough shields to hold back SMG and ARs to get to that corner without losing armor. Once your in position it becomes a man hunt for the small fry who had the ******* to shoot at you.
i love my fatboy
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:20:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:million isk question: if it takes no true skill to be a heavy . Why are there so many GEK38 assaults?
I've seen Heavies with Gek Assaults. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:21:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote:Armor. The skinweave BPO has 600hp of armor, what more if the PG slots has two for reps? Before you deal with the armor, you have to take out the shield first. Their survival is higher than other suits. You can add shielding for extra protection just in case.
I don't know what CCP is doing, but I'm seeing a pattern that every build they make something over powered to balance things out.
I would say leave the heavies alone, but they should suffer with shielding because the armor itself is a plus. The Skinweave heavy has 488 armor, not 600. Then add 100 shields. It only has one low slot, so good luck getting it's armor back up without a logi backing you. Not to mention it's lame walk and sprint speed. Everyone knows Skinweave heavies are easy kills.
It shows mine 600hp. Must be the skill thing.
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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:22:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:
you can start a new character and need to play around 10-15 rounds to farm the isk, and that is enough to get you in the Type II and have the HMG. I say 10-15 rounds for players familar with the game, may be slightly more for newer players.
Or I can take those points and invest in assault rifles, or anything else really, and some damage modifiers. There, heavies dead I play a heavy, it's nowhere near as easy as you claim it is. My suits also cost a lot more than everybody else's, so they better offer some damn good protection.
Lets play together and not argue, you have your X amount of SP heavy, and I will break out Pimp Hand Strong my ALT heavy that has 700k sp, and we will compare on some ambush rounds, I am down with that. We can argue and debate till we are blue in the face, and still will not agree. |
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