Hey OP heres an idea that usually keeps me alive. See a heavy? Get out of there find some team mates focus fire and boom your done. As long as you aren't within say 10m of then their damage isn't as great but yeah CQB 9 times out of 10 your dead. I have come close to killing heavies in close quarters but then I have to reload and they already have me pegged

Hey OP heres an idea that usually keeps me alive. See a heavy? Get out of there find some team mates focus fire and boom your done. As long as you aren't within say 10m of then their damage isn't as great but yeah CQB 9 times out of 10 your dead. I have come close to killing heavies in close quarters but then I have to reload and they already have me pegged

Those are all weapons. How come there is a counter class for every other class. There is no counter class for heavies.

Heavy>scout
Heavy>assault
Heavy>logi

Sure a shotgun will counter a heavy. That is still not a class. That is the weapon. I could put a shotgun on assault class and kill a heavy but that still doesn't solve the class imbalance. There is no proper class to counter heavies since they nerfed strafe speed. Scout with anything but a shotgun is useless against heavies. Given they have the same amount of skill points.

Yeah weapons counter each other in rock paper scissor fashion. The classes no longer do like they used to.

HMG stays above 50% efficiency up to around 45~55 meters last I recall. WITHOUT any sharpshooter skills. 10 meters my *ss.

That said, I agree with the idea that increasing the spread would fix the issue. Accuracy at that range should be lower, and even after heating up all the way, the HMG should STILL not be half as accurate as it is right now at ~50 meters.

Yeah, but how many bullets are hitting at that range? Barely half, if that.

Less accuracy? Fine, but atleast make the suit scale properly vs adv and pro assault suits so the highend ones are actually worth using.

Half of 2000 RPM hitting at ~50 meters is still 1000 RPM hitting at ~50 meters. Nuff said.

The AR is much more accurate over longer distances, the HMG simply isn't. Which is fine, but people are seriously over-estimating the HMG.

Learn to read, man.

Barely half.

IF THAT

That means a Heavy is ridiculously lucky if half of his shots are hitting at 50 meters, and chances are that he's attacking another heavy if that many rounds are hitting before you spin up all the way.

When you start firing, it'll be closer to 1/4, and then boost up to 1/3. If you empty practically the whole magazine downrange for max accuracy buildup, then yeah, you might get it up to 1/2, but not before that.

The AR is much more accurate over longer distances, the HMG simply isn't. Which is fine, but people are seriously over-estimating the HMG.

And then what happens if you're not behind them? Oh wait you die, with absolutely no counterplay. That's bad game design.

Something about them needs to change, be it spread or range. If you really think their accuracy was THAT bad at that range, I see no reason who you'd be against a slight range nerf anyway. At least then you wouldn't be tempted to waste bullets on someone so far away.

People love to pull out the "heavies are supposed to be infantry tanks and that's why their ridiculous HMG combined with their insane health is somehow justified" argument.

Ok, if heavies are tanks then why can you have as many heavies as you want out on the field yet you can't have out more than a few HAVs?

If heavies are tanks, then a strict limit should be placed on the number of heavy dropsuits a team can have out at once or use up in a game. If CCP does this, then the "heavies are suppose to be tanks" argument would actually have some ground to stand on.

If they don't, then they will forever just be an overpowered and annoying gimmicky assault class on steroids that doesn't belong in this game until they get a nerf.

Edit: Allow me to be more specific. The heavy dropsuit itself, despite currently being an annoying gimmick, is for the most part fine. It's the HMG that makes this class so ridiculous.

HMG's are actually broken. Currently they are functioning much more like an LMG which once again proves as to why CCP has no idea what they are doing in regards to weapons.

Currently by pressing R1 the HMG begins to fire which is ridiculous.

The Death machine in COD has to spin up before it begins to fire
The Wraith in Resistance 2 has to spin up before firing.

Glad to see the number of idiotic posts hasn't reduced since I stop looking at these forums...

Ok, I'll bite.
Go ahead and treat heavies like tanks, but if you are going to treat them like tanks, then you also have to give them a 10 m/s movement speed(like HAVs), armor hardener/repair modules(like HAVs), and two secondary weapons that can be fired simultaneously with the heavy's primary weapon(like HAVs).

Are you seeing how heavy suits aren't REALLY like tanks?

I have spent a lot more time with the HMG since making this thread and I can confirm without a doubt it's the easiest weapon in the game to use. Zero recoil (just bullet spread), no ADS required, L1 tightens the cone so much that you can outmatch AR users at past medium range, insane clip size and extremely low heat build up time so that you can spray your gun forever while everyone else has to get stuck in the reload animation, highest DPS out of all the weapons. All this on top of the already insane health advantage heavies already have. url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf34ZIRC_Lc]lolHMGs[/url]

You say this, and yet I can still eat heavies for breakfast in a logistics suit with my AR.

And, oh boy, I can't imagine what you would have thought around the time of replication, back when militia heavies could have 1000 armor and the HMG did more or less the same as it does now, you probably would of had a rage stroke.

Heavies are fine.

for anyone that doesnt think heavies/hmg combo is op, get your 4 best players to run an assault/scout class and give me a mh82 and a b series account and play me 4v1 in an ambush, bet you lose every single time...

Edit: Allow me to be more specific. The heavy dropsuit itself, despite currently being an annoying gimmick, is for the most part fine. It's the HMG that makes this class so ridiculous.