People love to pull out the "heavies are supposed to be infantry tanks and that's why their ridiculous HMG combined with their insane health is somehow justified" argument.

Ok, if heavies are tanks then why can you have as many heavies as you want out on the field yet you can't have out more than a few HAVs?

If heavies are tanks, then a strict limit should be placed on the number of heavy dropsuits a team can have out at once or use up in a game. If CCP does this, then the "heavies are suppose to be tanks" argument would actually have some ground to stand on.

If they don't, then they will forever just be an overpowered and annoying gimmicky assault class on steroids that doesn't belong in this game until they get a nerf.

Edit: Allow me to be more specific. The heavy dropsuit itself, despite currently being an annoying gimmick, is for the most part fine. It's the HMG that makes this class so ridiculous.

The Heavies are fine, IMO. You see a lot of "elite" players complain because they are unable to go toe-to-toe with a heavy and win at point blank range... so they want a nerf because all FPS's in the past they could find their godmode class and rule everybody all the time. They want to change DUST to be the same. A Heavy has so many shortcomings it can be ridiculously not fun except for situational use (defending), etc...

I Absolutely love that there are Variations to this game... and feel the Heavy is right where it needs to be.

The problem is there is no proper counter for heavies. I talked to taste about it and the only real counters are nades and ARs from long range. This is not a proper counter. With strafe speed nerfed scouts are pretty much useless against heavies.

Tactics should not be the only counter against heavies. There needs to be a class that counters heavies properly.

Sniper counters a heavy,
Laser counters a heavy,
Tank counters a heavy,
AR counters a heavy
Shotgun scout counters a heavy....

Those are all weapons. How come there is a counter class for every other class. There is no counter class for heavies.

Heavy>scout
Heavy>assault
Heavy>logi

Sure a shotgun will counter a heavy. That is still not a class. That is the weapon. I could put a shotgun on assault class and kill a heavy but that still doesn't solve the class imbalance. There is no proper class to counter heavies since they nerfed strafe speed. Scout with anything but a shotgun is useless against heavies. Given they have the same amount of skill points.

Yeah weapons counter each other in rock paper scissor fashion. The classes no longer do like they used to.

I'm not sure it's possible to 'rock, paper, scissors' the classes. The weapon they're carrying makes way more difference.

For example: I have a mutant Sidearm Assault build, and it eats non-HMG heavies for breakfast while being almost completely useless against HMGs.

Heavies shouldn't be limited, though they should be lockable entities considered the same as Vehicles. AV grenades should seek them out, they should trigger proximity explosives and Swarms should be able to lock them.

Heavies shouldn't be limited, though they should be lockable entities considered the same as Vehicles. AV grenades should seek them out, they should trigger proximity explosives and Swarms should be able to lock them.

Suits are not vehicles. The heavy suit is the slowest way to travel while every single vehicle is faster than the fastest scout.

I'll say yes to targeting heavies with AV when I see mercs riding piggy back on them to assault an objective.

HMG's are fine. There's nothing wrong with them. Just because you got your ass handed to you by thinking your superman does not mean HMGs are over powered.

Your average GEK-38 does 1900 damage if you hit all your shots on a heavy.

Your average HMG does 7000 damage ( Again if you hit all your shots )

Now you have to think about movement.

Your average assault has a movement speed of 4.75

Your average heavy has 3.50 or 3.75

If your move from side to side fast the heavy will be fooled which way you are going to go ( Most Heavys )

Just because you got your ass handed to you dosent mean heavy are over powerd.

Looking at just base stats that looks overpowered. for 1 point of movement speed we lose a total of 5100 damage. Thats hilarious.

People love to pull out the "heavies are supposed to be infantry tanks and that's why their ridiculous HMG combined with their insane health is somehow justified" argument.

Ok, if heavies are tanks then why can you have as many heavies as you want out on the field yet you can't have out more than a few HAVs?

If heavies are tanks, then a strict limit should be placed on the number of heavy dropsuits a team can have out at once or use up in a game. If CCP does this, then the "heavies are suppose to be tanks" argument would actually have some ground to stand on.

If they don't, then they will forever just be an overpowered and annoying gimmicky assault class on steroids that doesn't belong in this game until they get a nerf.

Edit: Allow me to be more specific. The heavy dropsuit itself, despite currently being an annoying gimmick, is for the most part fine. It's the HMG that makes this class so ridiculous.

I agree that the HMG is the issue not the heavy suit (specifically the range of the weapon). I think if they increased the spread of the HMG at range it would largely fix the issue.

Heavies are at a disadvantage at range I play a heavy all the time and...

I need to unload almost an entire magazine before I pick u off at longer ranges
I need a logibro around to repair me and give me ammo without them I'll die 10 times a match
If you are behind COVER it becomes EXTREMELY hard to get shots in
I move like i have lead shoes on making it very hard for me to get to cover....if im caught out in the open im a dead man
If two assaults get a jump on me and suprise me im screwed
If a sniper catches me in the open im toast
Shotgun scouts move too fast up close to hit with my "OP" hmg
Other heavies on the enemy team are a serious threat
Forge guns drop me quick
I cant move away from cooked grenades quickly enough to avoid damage
Lavs just run me down
I can't jump over a curb....nuff said
The list goes on n on



Heavies are at a major disadvantage throughout MOST of a battle and the fact that you r mad because one owned u because u thought standing in the open unloading your ar at me was a good idea is hilarious..... get good....use cover....use tactics....end of discussion

While I don't necessarily agree that the HMG needs to be attended to at all, let alone heavies in general, I would be okay with a bit more spread. Not necessarily that much though. Range, damage, etc I think seem fine. The spread I could see as a valid trade off though.

What I don't really understand is why people have, since the reset it seems, taken up arms against heavies. I didn't really see a whole lot of hate for them pre-reset, but after it when everyone was easy HMG fodder, they are suddenly a problem.

But mostly - it's the maps. Half the maps out in rotation for ambush are a heavies play land.