I have spent a lot more time with the HMG since making this thread and I can confirm without a doubt it's the easiest weapon in the game to use. Zero recoil (just bullet spread), no ADS required, L1 tightens the cone so much that you can outmatch AR users at past medium range, insane clip size and extremely low heat build up time so that you can spray your gun forever while everyone else has to get stuck in the reload animation, highest DPS out of all the weapons. All this on top of the already insane health advantage heavies already have. lolHMGs

Keeping the hipfire spread constant (so that it doesn't decrease over time) and removing the L1 button's zoom-in function (or patching it so that all it does is zoom-in and doesn't decrease the hipfire spread) would help a lot with balancing this weapon.

I have spent a lot more time with the HMG since making this thread and I can confirm without a doubt it's the easiest weapon in the game to use. Zero recoil (just bullet spread), no ADS required, L1 tightens the cone so much that you can outmatch AR users at past medium range, insane clip size and extremely low heat build up time so that you can spray your gun forever while everyone else has to get stuck in the reload animation, highest DPS out of all the weapons. All this on top of the already insane health advantage heavies already have. lolHMGs

Keeping the hipfire spread constant (so that it doesn't decrease over time) and removing the L1 button's zoom-in function (or patching it so that all it does is zoom-in and doesn't decrease the hipfire spread) would help a lot with balancing this weapon.

Wondering why your entire corp isn't full of heavies.

Sniper counters a heavy,
Laser counters a heavy,
Tank counters a heavy,
AR counters a heavy
Shotgun scout counters a heavy....

*snipped personal attack* - CCP Eterne
Rock paper scissor rules:
rock beats scissor
scissor beats paper
paper beats rock

Dust imbalance rules:
HMG beats AR
HMG beats sniper
HMG beats HMG
HMG beats every class
AR beats sniper
AR beats AR
snipers beat militia nubes
miltia nubes beat snipers

This rock paper scissor system that this game is said to have is nonexistent and ludicrous.
Wake up.

As much as I enjoy squashing misconceptions about the Heavy class, can we please stop posting in this thread?

It's almost a month old. The conversation is over. Let's move on.

So the fact that no one shot at you while you were in optimal firing conditions makes the weapon OP?

It's a close quarters room-clearer, it's good at that. You were in close quarters. Three of the six people you killed weren't even looking at you, one tried to melee you, and the other threw a grenade when he should have been gunning you down.

Anyone can get a quick kill streak against incompetent blueberries.

No, it's not a CQC only weapon. The L1's zoom-in function and the increased accuracy over time gives it close to AR range. I didn't even have sharpshooter skills when I tried it out.

The HMG requires the least amount of effort to use out of all the weapons in this game. It's mindlessly easy to pick up and perform well with. If you want to keep its accuracy, add spin up time and significantly raise heat build up (the heat build up is so slow right now it might as well not even be there) so that it can take at least a little bit of brainpower to use.

Okay clearly someone's just bitter, so I want to be the first to say to you.

"Welcome to New Eden, noob."

Pretty much every EVE player's go-to line when they want to justify a broken game mechanic without having to go through the effort of coming up with a rational thought.

not everyone prefers to take the easy way out when it comes to video games, abusing something thats broken doesnt exactly make you good.

Pretty much everyone's reaction when they're butthurt that people don't agree with them.

Am I doing it right?

Pretty much everyone's reaction when they're butthurt that people don't agree with them.

Am I doing it right?

Want to know how I know heavies aren't OP?
Because I kill them in a logistics suit, with an AR, on a regular basis.

Want to know the only time a heavy ever kills me?
When I get into close-quarters-combat with one.


So here's my advice to you, stop going CQC against heavies.

Want to know how I know heavies aren't OP?
Because I kill them in a logistics suit, with an AR, on a regular basis.

Want to know the only time a heavy ever kills me?
When I get into close-quarters-combat with one.


So here's my advice to you, stop going CQC against heavies.

No point in limiting the amount of heavies in a team. Because their popularity limits their numbers within a team. Say what you want about heavies being OP. if they were that OP then everyone would use them as your aluding to. Which they don't. So there for they can't be. Ipso facto


******EDIT:********
I see alot of people saying that hmg's a OP, that they have the same range as AR's, that they are too 'easy' to use. Before you have a massive moan, actually try something out:

just because on paper hey have the same range, doesn't mean that they do. they have a sweet spot where they are phenomenal, but to close and they cant track you, more than sort of 10m and theyre damage is massively reduced, for example. The ambush map with no buildings, standing where A would be on a skirmish and shooting at the inevitable swarms of blue berries on the opposite side, That is WAY past decent damage dealing range, vs an AR milita version, i WOULD loose if he shot back, i have close to 1000hp, my fits are coming up on 150k each, but vs a noob with an AR with no skill or skills i would die at 20m. I wouldnt really concider this to be over powered.

As for easy to use,have you ever tried to fire a weapon without ADS, have you ever tried o fire a weapon that has shocking accuracy for the first seond and then insane recoil after its accurate? the only thing thats easy about them is the fact that you get so many shots per clip. bu bearing in mind that half my shots are missing and each shot does alot less damage than your AR, i NEED them. then when i do run out, i have the reload of all reloads. sometimes the next match has started by the time im ready to shoot again.

Finally the heavy suit its self. Its massively over powered as it should be for all its draw backs. i have 3 times your health. but im 3 times your size, you cant help but hit me if you fire in my general direction. I have no utility slot. it takes 24 hours for my armor to regen on its own, so im rarely ready for the next fight unless iv got a team mate repping. i cant jump up kerbs, let alone over barriers, you'll often see me stuck with a light breeze. My suits are cripplingly expensive for anything more than basic and for little to no benefits. And for all this I waddle about the battlefield like a walrus on land, slower than a granny on a zimmer.

*rant over*
*almost*
Try something so you understand the draw backs of it before you complain about it, experienced players compensate for there setups disadvantages so that you dont see or understand them.

like shot gun scouts, 1 hit killing. OP? No because it takes alot of skill to outflank someone to get to that range, iv tried it so i understand.
Tanks OP? No becuase they cost so damn much and once AV infantry get theyre acts together and train some skills you can find yourself in a bad place quickly, i know iv tried it.
Dropships OP, no for the same reason as tanks. AGAIN IVE TRAINED THEM AND TRIED IT!
AR's OP? No balanced just like everything else, you can run into a fire fight and drop 4 people with one clip, but then a counter turns up and swats you. IV TRIED ASSAULT AR TOO!!!!!!!!!!

Iv skilled alot of different suits an weapons and iv changed tactics virtually every reset, because i always think someone else has the better life. Truth is the green grass in the other field always turns out to be a pissy yellow colour once you've jumped over that fence.

I could go on but im well past TL;DR now so ill shut up and hope that iv got at least some of my point across. So once more, if heavies or anything else were so much better than everything else you would see no diversity on the battefeild, but you dont, so its balanced

IPSO FACTO

*snipped personal attack* - CCP Eterne
Rock paper scissor rules:
rock beats scissor
scissor beats paper
paper beats rock

Dust imbalance rules:
HMG beats AR
HMG beats sniper
HMG beats HMG
HMG beats every class
AR beats sniper
AR beats AR
snipers beat militia nubes
miltia nubes beat snipers

This rock paper scissor system that this game is said to have is nonexistent and ludicrous.
Wake up.

Night of the Living Thread.

I don't like you...

Anything I have speced into I have been good/great at. Everyone last build said tanks are so hard so I'm proving them wrong.

Paran who hasn't tried everything by now? (From closed beta testers)