Other than learning to 'judge' distances, is there a way of knowing how far your target is from you?

Regards

If they are in weapon range you can press L1 to zoom in on them with your weapon and it will give you target info in the bottom left corner. If they are beyond your range then no you can't really tell their exact range.

did u take into account the skills u have

example light weapon sharpshooter increases range so if u had this at lvl 1 whlie doing this it will give u a false reading

That would be an NDA breach if you did, just a heads up.

+1 to this topic.

OP: Do you mind if I post results in the Hitchhiker's Guide to New Eden?

I'm gonna have another look at max ranges Cerebral Wolf jr, it's a bit annoying if they don't match up with the targeting info. Could you tell me what the efficiency is at the max range that you can still see the target info? If it's 1% or less then it's not a major issue as the damage from it will be minimal.

I did try using a laser rifle just 1m outside it's max range on an abandoned enemy LAV with full shields and it did 0 damage and the indicator wasn't red. As soon as I moved 1 meter forward the indicator went red, target info came up and the LAV started taking damage from the beam. It's definitely worth taking a look at though.

Thanks for the info on the rifle btw, I'll add it in in the next update.

Tightened laser stats slightly, for those that are interested the minimum optimal range also increases with sharpshooter for laser so you'll have to keep the target further back if you skill it up.

love that Musta ! SO you were bored on IRC ?

Thanks for the encouragement. I added a bunch of pistols, SMGS and a couple of shotties. It's getting harder to add stuff as I'm saving up SP for forge guns atm.


Please help me better this guide by pointing out inaccurate info
and if you got time, please read the guide at the bottom on how
to figure out ranges and post them in this thread and I'll add them to
the guide, thank you! Do mention what your relevant sharpshooter skill is
for that weapon as it affects both max range and optimals.

Howto:


Get a weapon and go aim at one of your turrets, use the L1 button to zoom onto them.
If the target info at bottom left comes up you are in weapon range. Walk as far back as you can whilst
still having the target info up. When it dissapears take a step forward until the target
info text comes back up. This is the max range for the weapon.

To check out optimal range start far away and move closer to the target. The efficiency
indicator in target info will go up as you get closer, when it has peaked you are at max optimal range.
Continue going closer, if it drops then you are at minimum optimal range.

The laser for instance has a 18m optimal range 'range' very near its max range.

If you're referring to my stats then yes. I have light sharpshooter level 2 so I get 10% extra to ranges with light weapons. I've verified this with another character with a few of the same weapons but with no levels of sharpshooter upgrades.

All the stats are shown with NO rank of sharpshooter applied.

The info on the shot guns is a little misleading though. I understand that obviously your just going by what the game tells you, but I can assure you that at 9 meters I do not do max damage with my shot gun. Could be to do with te spread maybe? But basically anything over 1m seems to do less damage. I can 1 shot most stuff at 1m range. At 5m all I can do is tickle them.

With there being an "optimal range" does that mean there is a damage drop off after optimal?

Yep, that's exactly what it is. After optimal it drops off quite regularly up to its max range where it usually is only a small percent of the base damage.

Alright, got the info for my forge gun

'Grimlock' Guristas Assault Forge Gun
Maximum range (With no sharpshooter bonus) - 300m
Efficiency rate - Infinite, till max range is reached
Meta Level - 9

And the Gastun's BRN-50 Forge gun is the same on the range as well. And as well as any other lower caliber Forge Gun.

Also, it seems that the Efficiency rate is 100% no matter what the range seems to be on a target other than the MCC. So that might be a bug. So that would mean that there is no true Optimal range other than 0-300m which is the max range.

Good topic and great idea.
I was mistaken when I had the idea that the laser had more range than the tactical assault.

Thanks, this is helpful.

If I get a chance I'll contribute. I have no core light or heavy weapon skills right now, so I'll test them.

I am curious to see if the range calculations work similar to the way they work in EVE.

thanks for the post.

When you are back it would be wonderful if you could do an expansion of your data. (I don't know what the begging icon is?)

Pick a weapon class and expand all the data that makes choosing between them clear. Clip size, max ammo, DMG stats added to your excellent range chart would be a fantastic resource.

Offers to help would probably even get some assistance. I would help anyway.

OP could i possibly use this for the Immortal Mercenary Press Online newspaper?
Its a REALLY helpful chart of info and i was wondering if it could be posted there, of course the credit goes to you.

Thanks

Fantastic list. Does anybody know what the dmg drop off range is of each class of weapons?

Thank you. What exactly do you mean by the damage drop off range? The percentage it decreases per metre up to max range or?

Max range of all large railgun turrets is 599 meters. Optimal seems to be 1-599 too.

Did they remove the experimental sniper rifle from the game? If so every sniper rifle's range is 1-599 (optimal and max).

Except the thale. I don't know what the range is on that. I'd assume it's the same, but I know this guide is for facts only ;)

edit: I have access to all large blaster turrets too, and those are a bit more interesting. Some do more damage at long range and less at close (like the laser). I'll post that in a bit if you're still updating this.

I can get all small missile turrets, I'll work on them tonight. Honestly while people are checking these things, I think this would be the post to put the % damage modifier against shield/armor for all the different weapons as well.

St-1 missile/fragmented/cycled= 100m
Accelerated st-1= 140m

Also noted that supply depots and CRUs have a critical zone with more weakness at their tops.

Testing next tier...

Are those max ranges? What about optimals?

Those are optimals. Max is tough to figure without a friend because I think the missile disappear/explode not very far outside the optimal. Or at least it doesn't show an explosion. The efficiency number isn't accurate outside the optimal for that reason.

Besides this doesn't the target information dissapear when you are targeting outside of weapon range?

Well I assume the shotgun pellets are individual shots that do damage, and their damage is max up to 6-9 metres. Whether or not you can get them all on target at that range is a different matter alltogether. I'm sure hitting a LAV for instance at that distance with all the pellets is not an impossible task.

ahh ignore this. read it wrong but just in case i didnt. shouldnt you multiply the optimal by 1.xx to get the skill applied?

I didn't see the C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle up there....it's currently salvage only FYI.

Nope I haven't got my hands on that one, besides I got no sniper skills really in this build so I'd need someone else to get the stats for that one. Feel free to help if you can :)

I checked my alt, and he does not have one either. I can confirm that the Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle and Ishukone Sniper Rifle have the same range as the others sniper rifles (599m). One day he'll get a thale, and I'll try that too.

Lvl 3 sharpshooter, could see target @ 680m, but not at 690.

well the large missile turrets range is 1-191m effective 100% even thou you can target farther the missiles explode at 191m IE was targeting installation at 243m with 43% effective but it would always explode at 191m.

ST missiles all kinds. Accelerated, cycled, fragmented, standard. and i stand corrected it was at 188m. i am going to try higher level missiles but i do not think it will change anything.

Sweet ^^

I have one more question too- will the missiles do damage at 188m? I'm not sure if they changed it, but there were a number of shots from different weapons that looked like they hit a target or objective, but ended up doing 0 damage.

prlly should check all of the turrets.

The Large Missile Installations can hit targets at ranges of over 217 meters. (Just check the LMT on the 4 point map- south spawn LMT can hit the supply depot)

LMTs confuse me. The installations have great range, but the one on my tank doesn't even have long enough range to hit a dropship.

I think you forgot to change the value of the 'Flashbow' CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol. It has the same range (max and effective) as the regular CAR-9.

(I just double checked on my alt :P)

Thanks for the first bit of info Bendtner92, I've started updating the thread slowly, personally I've got forges and hmgs covered so whatever else you guys skill into please post some info!

thank you for maintaining this

Musta, I use a Charge Sniper an managed to get a 595 meter kill today, so I think it's safe to say their range is still at least 599.

CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle
Max Range: 83m
Optimal Range: 1 - 45m

CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle
Max Range: 73m
Optimal Range: 1 - 29m

Thank you very much, if you got a bit of spare AUR to spend don't hesitate to do the aurum ones too :)

I've added the officer ars, also added militia shotty and crg-3. Got 4 shotguns done, the basic weaponary is coming nicely together now. If anyone has specced up protoype smgs, pistols, shotties or any of the other missing weapons please take 10 mins to help out this thread.

Get your weapon and aim down the sight at a friendly turret and watch the numbers change as you move backwards and forwards. When the efficiency is at is highest and you move one metre back and it drops then you have reached its optimal range. When you move out of range then the target info completely dissapears, get the max range this way.

On some of the weapons you have XM as the range. What does this mean? And how far is this range?

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Gotta say, this thread is invaluable as the only updated/current/accurate resource about weapon ranges.
My spreadsheet could not be complete without it

isn't the bonus to armor damage on Mass Drivers like 130% not 104%...?

There's no way the scrambler rifle range/optimal can be correct. My scrambler rifle gets outranged by ARs all the time- not vice versa.

Heads up for turrets- I've discovered that while it may say they you're out of range, you're still doing (very high) damage. Checked it with the large railgun on my HAV. Doesn't turn red, but it still destroys a turret easily

There must be as there's a modifier for it, problem is hitting it dead on and then not having the splash damage do the kill to the body or w/e.

What's your process for finding effective range? I really don't think laser rifles damage drops to 30% over 4 meters.

It's just when the information stops showing, same as old max range. Others think it's around 30% of weapon efficiency but you'd have to check all weapons to know for sure if the 30% is true.

We tested it with Delta Iddon and yes it drops down to nothing quickly.

missile large optimal range 125m for all types and levels. max &effective 250m w/o caldari enforcer bonuses.
small missile 100 optimal and max &effective 200m
at max range it explodes while not getting down to 30% so not a true effective but it never goes to 30% so yea.
on shields 48% and 78% on armor (at max range)
131% 69% at optimal ranges for all missile turrets. tested on all missiles from MLT-PRO without any change in ranges.
please add to the list for everyone general knowledge and thank you for the docs.

Thank you for all that testing, lovely job. Is the 131% and 69% armour body and shields body? I've added all the ranges except for the modifiers, just waiting for your confirmation. Could you just use one missile turret to check the head modifiers too? Muchly appreciated!

Added the ranges ladwar supplied, great work on that front! Only weapons missing on the vehicle side now are the large and small railguns and the small blasters!

I've updated a few ranges I've checked, nothing major. I also need to get in contact with Wolfman and get a definitive answer on what effective range is now that the ADS has been updated to show absolute range too.

Measuring Distances

!!!!!EFFECTIVE RANGE MEASUREMENT IS OBSOLETE, ATTEMPTING TO FIND OUT NEW WAYS OF DOING THIS NOW!!!!!

Effective Range

This is the easiest range to measure, take your weapon that you are testing and aim it at a friendly turret and walk backwards, at some point the targeting information at the bottom left will dissapear, the last number it shows will be the effective range. It might change the number by a few metres sometimes for whatever reason so walk slowly back and note the last number before it 'jumps'.

effective range at which point it will do around 30% damage.

this should be an ok measurement(30%) for effective. while absolute range is where weapons will continue to do incidental damage without change till max range where it stops doing damage. this is just a general idea that could/can be used for infantry weapons, this might lead to more testing for the longer ranges but would give a better overall picture. just tossing an idea out there.

That is one option, I'd like to speak to Wolfman before I decide on specifics though.

Besides sniper rifles, do any guns kill beyond 50 meters?

Just a heads up, in 1.5 AR ranges are getting changed so I'll need some help with checking them as I haven't got more than a level in AR operation. Vehicle weapons will be getting a range buff (at least large blasters) so they'll need to be re-checked too.

Will work on checking ranges as soon as 1.5 lands, will also update the colour scheme in the document to show what's been checked for 1.5 and what hasn't.