Standard AR's need recoil

Breach AR's need an overall performance boost ( increase clip size to 42 and an slight increase in RoF)

no it only increases the dmg.. there is skills to reload faster and another to increase range

Standard AR's need recoil

Breach AR's need an overall performance boost ( increase clip size to 42 and an slight increase in RoF)

I find this really interesting that everyone calls for a nerf when things don't go their way or something that they have grown accustomed to playing with in OTHER GAMES doesn't necessarily work in THIS GAME.

For one, this isn't the OTHER GAMES. Hasn't claimed to be, yet so many people in this beta want this game to be like OTHER GAMES. We have already seen the faulty outcome of this in reduction of strafing speed (especially in the scout suits).

Please, everyone, tale a BIG DEEP BREATH, and clear your mind of the nonsense of all the OTHER GAMES you have played, and attempt to no impose those expectations onto THIS GAME. This is DUST, NOT COD, BF3, MOH, UT3, Halo, or any of those OTHER games.

I fear all of this trolling is distracting CCP from making their game and they are being bullied by the forum posters to make the game a COD, BF3, etc. knock off instead of letting the developers create and then give birth to their vision/game.

It sounds like if people removed their expectations, or at least tempered them dramatically, a few more people on this beta and forum would be a bit less frustrated and a bit more enjoyable.

Just an observation.

The assault rifle needs more recoil and a damage penalty at close range. The laser rifle does reduced damage below it's optimal range, the assault rifle should also but it's optimal range should remain subpar to now just with damage penalties on the low end of it.

No flame intended here, just a question about how a slug thring weapon like the AR could possibly have greater damage at distance than close up. Normal damage falls off with time and range, it doesn't get better.

Recoil is a function of the gun, not the range you are firing at. It can't possibly change.

If a gun has poor Dispersion at close quarters, it's just going to be worse at range. That is why SMGs and shotguns are so poor at range. You only hit with a fraction of your output.

Since the issue is balance, would it not make more sense to buff the DPS of CQC weapons than to mess with the AR?

1: The DUST AR is not firing slugs
2: Recoil is the same per shot regardless of RoF, but the higher the RoF, the more this accumulates. It is easy to compensate for the recoil of a single shot, but considerably harder at full auto

We don't need more damage, we need less. The higher the damage, the more the game devolves into see first - win. If people die slower, they have more time to react.

Slug, energy packet, whatever. My point was that when the shot leaves the barrel of the gun it has all the energy it will ever have. It doesn't magically soak up additional energy from the surrounding air. The plasma charge will only dissapate with time and distance. Missiles on the other hand can have an arming time/distance which render them useless at close range.

Recoil does not increase with extended fire, rather the cumulitve effect of recoil does build up over time and will walk your aim away from your target. But that is not a solution to CQC. Close quarter combat is very forgiving of recoil. SMGs have terrible recoil given their low weight and high output. Shotguns have even more kick, though it has a slow RoF. If AR's had enough recoil to interfere with CQC they would be worse at mid range and utterly useless beyond that.

protoman won't be happy about this

But seriously, instead of CCP nerfing ARs why don't you just get better

I do not believe that the AR (Assault Rifle) needs any sort of balancing, or lowering. It is suppose to naturally be that go-to weapon, and the undeniable all-purpose weapon. What I have noticed this build is that due to CCP slowing the game down a slight bit between lowering the character speeds, and strafe (for purpose speculated) that the 'Scout' variant is a lot harder to take to the front lines. Almost an undeniable liability to play unless you are literally armed with a stealth module. Also I took to noticing that the SMG has seen a slight balancing in which it now is litterally useless nigh without passive skills to enforce it's natural killing ability. Having a steady hand helps a lot too. The shotgun is still naturally brutal and even more so when that stealth module wielding player nails you in the back while you are unaware of his/her prescence. The forge gun is beyond deadly, and so is the mass driver. Ran into someone wielding one infact last night and they were able to dispense of me before I could get comfortable enough to fire properly. A direct hit like that of the forge gun is lethality at it's finest. The swarm dismantles armored and non armored vehicles to ashes, and speaks for itself. The scrambler pistol is again still relevent as well. Infact I may as well just say that all weapons are still capable and lethal killing tools. However! They are nonetheless tools and only as powerful and/or lethal as the player/merc/Duster whom is wielding them.

Spouting that the AR, the go-to all-purpose weapon needs to be rebalanced is nonesense. It's your opinion, but it certainly does not need one. Even the laser rifle is getting plenty kills and use by Dusters on the battlefield. CCP makes all of the dropsuits in terms of armor plating and shielding the same, and people still complain. If anything the game is increadibly balanced at the moment. The only problem apparent is the flaws in the players, and unfortunetly it's these said players blaming everyone and especially the game for their problems other then themselves.

Are there legitimate issues to be concerned about? Yes. Is this thread detracting from them? Yes.

I had completely the opposite experience. I hate playing with AR and pick it up only to compare it to other weapons - everytime I tried AR kills would start coming unnaturally easy. Here are some of my thoughts on how other weapons compare. Particularly, speaking of MD -- MD is a weapon that I often use trying to test it in different situations. It is far from deadly - might as well be shooting cotton balls. It finally has hit detection and shell detonation that were simply absent in last build but despite the claimed balancing, all other aspects of the weapon are sub-par. As far as other weapons are concerned I can only speak for SR and HMG in this build, again, same story - far inferior to AR.

1. MD - low rate of fire, low total capacity, low clip size, very low damage and - hard to shoot (gotta calculate the arch and shells fly super slow)
3. SR - poor scope zoom, mad sway unless crouching for a few seconds, low mag size, relatively low ROF, AND in this build it seems that damage somehow got nerfed - you just can't one shot a suit with a Charge SR like you used to before.
4. HMG - total joke at all but the shortest range, limited to an unwieldy and expenisive heavy suit, and again, the damage is kinda low, maybe marginally better than AR but ONLY at low range.

Contrast to AR:
Brutal damage, brutal accuracy, long range, huge mag and total capacity.

What will end up happening is that ppl will stop playing all weapons except for AR and this will make the game completely stale and boring.

Should AR be the universal weapon? - sure. But it should not be the ultimate weapon. It should not trump all other specialist weapons across the entire situational spectrum.

Seeing as people ignore the science of why there should be no recoil, let me ask this. Why do people keep thinking that these weapons use archaic brass and lead as the projectile? I'm sorry, I hate to sound like I'm being rude or mean, but what's hard to understand here?

Then I suggest, and this will go against everything CCP has built so far, make all the weapons projectile based. Forget fancy futuristic weapons, lets revert back to brass and lead, and get CCP to take real world weapon descriptions then we can be just like all these other FPS games. There's your recoil, then all this bickering and blah, blah, blah can stop.