Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:25:00 -
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Revelations 514 wrote:Honestly, people need to quit using the "quit asking for nerfs ect", that is not a viable argument for anything. If it needs it, it will happen. It will continue to happen throughout the games lifecycle as in all MMO's, so just deal with it. Matter of fact the reason WoW is dying is becuase they stopped rebalancing frequently and therefore the balance is ****.
Now to the issue at hand. AR's right now are THE tool for any situation instead of A tool that can handle any situation. They have been like this pretty much the entire time regardless of build. I have mentioned this in every build. They are far to accurate long range, and deal DPS in such a fast stream due to fire rate they can out DPS a shotgun at close range. (BTW whoever said shotguns have range comparable to an AR has never used a shotgun).
AR's right now are simply the best tool for any given situation with the exception of very unique niche/extreme circumstance situations. If I have a shotgun, and I don't surprise an AR user from behind, he will always out DPS me unless I pull something outta my ass.
If I have a sniper rifle, and the AR user spots me at the same time I spot him, I am dead before I can fire the second shot its going to take to bring him down.
Mid range, well thats where AR's live so that one is obvious.
AR's are simply THE tool to use for 85% of combat situations. The only people using anything else are doing so to complement their playstyle, and are trudging through it. This "get your gun game up" argument is BS and is an illusion of granduer. The argument that the AR "should be the go to gun for killing" is a rediculous statement in a game about....killling. (Not like their is a talk it out or surrender button).
Every gun needs a niche and that niche should be range specific, with aesthetic or operational preferences for gun types in the same range category. Tweaks are part of the game and always will be so quit bashing people for bringing up areas that need it next. I am all for rebalancing continuously as we are not just changing one thing at a time between builds, so different things interact differently. Just a little commen sense here people I know it's fun to dominate, but how old will it get when everyone "adapts" and has an AR, with no variety.
Agreed. However I don't think the AR needs a nerf, just sufficient recoil. Then make the other weapons have appropriate damage output and tweaked stats so that the AR isn't the only effective weapon. If you have a weapon it has to be useful, why else would you take it into battle?
SMG's need a bit of recoil as well, but I agree that when you go head to head with a high powered AR, even at close range, you are toast. Same goes for when you run into a shotgun, you need a second or two to aim and pop off enough shots to have a chance if you round a corner on one unless they are more than 10 yards off. Either up the damage output or increase the rate of fire, but add a bit of recoil and maybe a bit of spread.
Pistols need a much higher damage output and a slightly lower lower rate of fire to even them out. They are pretty much useless as it is, I wouldn't carry one of these pistols for self defense into a bad part of town let alone a battlefield. You have to empty 2-3 clips to kill anyone in a decent dropsuit. If you are against ANY weapon other than another pistol you are toast, so it's kind of pointless to have it unless it can do enough damage to make it worthwhile. They need to do heavy damage, about a quarter to a half of what shotguns do, and have a low rate of fire or very small clips to prevent misuse. Then it would be worth while to carry one into battle.
Lastly the Nova knife. I love it, it's great, but I think you should have some running attacks or at least increase the walk speed while charging. When someone spots you and can back peddle faster that you can slowly walk towards them it kinda defeats the point and leaves you open. There is too much open ground in this game for the nova knife to be a stealth only weapon, I think running and walking speed need to be increased while equipped and there needs to be an attack you can do while running.
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Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.06 15:33:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:I find this really interesting that everyone calls for a nerf when things don't go their way or something that they have grown accustomed to playing with in OTHER GAMES doesn't necessarily work in THIS GAME.
For one, this isn't the OTHER GAMES. Hasn't claimed to be, yet so many people in this beta want this game to be like OTHER GAMES. We have already seen the faulty outcome of this in reduction of strafing speed (especially in the scout suits).
Please, everyone, tale a BIG DEEP BREATH, and clear your mind of the nonsense of all the OTHER GAMES you have played, and attempt to no impose those expectations onto THIS GAME. This is DUST, NOT COD, BF3, MOH, UT3, Halo, or any of those OTHER games.
I fear all of this trolling is distracting CCP from making their game and they are being bullied by the forum posters to make the game a COD, BF3, etc. knock off instead of letting the developers create and then give birth to their vision/game.
It sounds like if people removed their expectations, or at least tempered them dramatically, a few more people on this beta and forum would be a bit less frustrated and a bit more enjoyable.
Just an observation.
No one has claimed this game needs to be like other games, and no matter what they do this game WILL BE LIKE OTHER GAMES simply because it's a FPS. That means it has guns and gunplay like other games, that means it has vehicles like other games, that means it has many many other aspects that similar games have.
What people want isn't a carbon copy of other games, no one has said that, what they want is a new game that has many new ideas and incorporates the best physics and gunplay elements from other games that drew people to this genre in the first place. Taking ques on how to do things right from other games that did them right is not a bad thing, in fact it is how video games have progressed as far as they have. Think about that for a minute and it'll settle in. CCP needs for this game to be great, but by trying to do everything different from other games you are not necessarily doing them better. And discussing what would make this game better is the whole point of this forum.
The OP has a point that having only one weapon worth using in the game makes it pointless to use anything else, and if CCP doesn't fix that issue then they are wasting their time by making other weapons since they will never be used.
Go play "Holier than thou" elsewhere.
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