See people want to call the OP a troll cause he's calling for a nerf on their chosen weapon, his arguement kinda sounds a lot like all the whiny little bitches over the tanks.....Im just saying.

See and tanks got nerfed cause people couldn't adapt and overcome. Although that seems to be the go to response on these forums for anything someone disagrees with when it comes to weapon equality....

- In the new build, the heavies are quite difficult to take out with an AR, using my GEK with 3% mod I sunk almost 2 1/2 clips into a heavy, who still didn't die, but I died from his teammates who heard me unloading clip after clip, giving away my position. No lag in this example either, and his heath was diminishing as my bullets hit.

OP is a whiney little ***** though

Huh, I drop heavies in half a clip or so of my militia AR on the starter assault suit. They're WICKED easy to get headshots on since they strafe about as fast as fat albert....

EDIT: Did you seriously just mention AR vs LAV.....did I actually just read that? Hey guys, why can't my Rifter kill your Moros? Why would you even bring that up?

You seem to be as well....just saying there proto.

Am I the only one that believes that CCP is, trying, to make things as realistic as possible? Nerfing the AR would be like converting an M-16 into a .22, ridiculous. Assault Rifles, in-game and in real combat are used for a reason. They are deadly for that same reason.

- In close range combat, I have found that the SMG > AR. in fact many smart and really good players resort to using their SMG in close range vs using their AR.

- Likewise in close range combat the shotgun EASILY outguns an AR player, shotguns are horribly OP OHK weapons with a pretty decent range (almost as much as the AR, which is ridiculous... what the heck are they shooting, slugs?).

- In long distance combat, as in AR vs sniper, sniper wins hands down since the AR can only hit something ~100 feet away (which needs to be adjusted, the range right now is abysmal and horribly unrealistic). AR wielding folks are massively outgunned by a sniper, as it requires us to run ALL the way over to where the sniper is just to get a chance of a bullet hitting. And usually we are unable to make it that far without being sniped/killed by them or somebody else.

- In the new build, the heavies are quite difficult to take out with an AR, using my GEK with 3% mod I sunk almost 2 1/2 clips into a heavy, who still didn't die, but I died from his teammates who heard me unloading clip after clip, giving away my position. No lag in this example either, and his heath was diminishing as my bullets hit.

- As for AR vs tank, your example is obviously exaggerated beyond belief. 1 AV grenade? Please. Also FYI, this has nothing to do with the assault rifle. By your example, it could work with ANY loadout, suit and weapon combo as long as somebody has AV nades.

- AR vs LAV, again you talk about AV nades which is != (not equal to, if you are into programming lingo) an assault rifle. And as for unloading a clip and that's it, you clearly have never tried this. I could sit there and unload clip after clip after clip into a LAV, and barely make a dent. Although if you are sitting in back on the mounted gun, I can take you out as easily as I can take you out as if you were not in the LAV. But an AR exclusively against a LAV is about as useless as it gets, try it sometime.



In regard to your closing statement, the AR is FAR from a end-all weapon, we are out classed by sniper, heavies, shotgun users, and SMG users (at their appropriate ranges of course). And as for you making the claim that the range is infinite, seriously? Have you ever actually used a assault rifle in this game? THE RANGE IS PATHETIC. Heck, the shotgun might actually have better range than we do.

It seems 90% of the time I aim at a target that really isn't that far away, they are out of range and I have to keep moving closer. We practically have to get right up in somebody's face to make hits count, and at which point the SMG users, shotgunners, and heavies can outgun us easily.

OP, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. I'm sure you just had a few bad games where you got owned by AR folks with ease, trust me I know the feeling. And I won't lie, it is very aggravating, not just from AR folks, but from every class in the game. They are all OP in their own way.

dont really think they need a nerf but the dropsuits need to go back to their pre-E3 stats and i think it will balance out. there will actually be gunfights that last longer than 3seconds, ability for crap players to take cover, and triple teams wont be much of an issue.

Honestly, people need to quit using the "quit asking for nerfs ect", that is not a viable argument for anything. If it needs it, it will happen. It will continue to happen throughout the games lifecycle as in all MMO's, so just deal with it. Matter of fact the reason WoW is dying is becuase they stopped rebalancing frequently and therefore the balance is ****.

Now to the issue at hand. AR's right now are THE tool for any situation instead of A tool that can handle any situation. They have been like this pretty much the entire time regardless of build. I have mentioned this in every build. They are far to accurate long range, and deal DPS in such a fast stream due to fire rate they can out DPS a shotgun at close range. (BTW whoever said shotguns have range comparable to an AR has never used a shotgun).

AR's right now are simply the best tool for any given situation with the exception of very unique niche/extreme circumstance situations. If I have a shotgun, and I don't surprise an AR user from behind, he will always out DPS me unless I pull something outta my ass.

If I have a sniper rifle, and the AR user spots me at the same time I spot him, I am dead before I can fire the second shot its going to take to bring him down.

Mid range, well thats where AR's live so that one is obvious.

AR's are simply THE tool to use for 85% of combat situations. The only people using anything else are doing so to complement their playstyle, and are trudging through it. This "get your gun game up" argument is BS and is an illusion of granduer. The argument that the AR "should be the go to gun for killing" is a rediculous statement in a game about....killling. (Not like their is a talk it out or surrender button).

Every gun needs a niche and that niche should be range specific, with aesthetic or operational preferences for gun types in the same range category. Tweaks are part of the game and always will be so quit bashing people for bringing up areas that need it next. I am all for rebalancing continuously as we are not just changing one thing at a time between builds, so different things interact differently. Just a little commen sense here people I know it's fun to dominate, but how old will it get when everyone "adapts" and has an AR, with no variety.