They just need some of the recoil put back in and then they'd be fine. They're ridiculously stable right now, when compared to the other weapons.

This is coming from a logibro, by the way.

This. Now everyone go to the feedback thread and agree with me :D

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@ Flag
Yeah, but YOU, the marine, adjust to the weapon. You have practise, and I'm sure you'd never try full auto vs someone at 200m
I'm NOT in the army. But I fired an M-16 in the states. Fully auto I put 3 rounds into a target at 20 yards. I think you'd do FAR better at managing the recoil.
Like I say, I don't have the experience you do.

Look, balance > realism. I understand that they are high tech weapons. But it's a game. they have to have limits or they will be abused. Damn.

Yeah, creodon/breach could be the zero recoil rifle due to low fire rate. Atleast it'd be kinda useful at something then.

sniper will own a AR at the proper range.. AR can't reach. ask sleepy how to do it..

so OP what gun should we all be using instead?

This is my opinion, hate all you want on it.

AR's are too effective. At this moment in time they are the only viable way to get kills. I'm seeing people go 30/4 with a GEK slaughtering anyone who doesn't use an AR.

AR's pretty much take up the role of Shotgun, Sniper rifle, Laser Rifle, and SMG's. If you have an AR you are instantly jesus.

They have absurd damage, absurd mag sizes, and absurd accuracy, absurd ROF, with no recoil whatsoever. It's like playing the game on auto-pilot. What's the point of having squads if you can just use an AR? Oh I know! To have 3 other people that have AR's so you can completely dominate every aspect of the game.

You need a heavy to take out a vehicle? Nope. Just get X amount of WP in 10 seconds, and call down an orbital to kill that pesky tank.

Use the GEK to kill 3 enemies, get an orbital, and kill enough people with the orbital to get another orbital, repeat.

Sniper on a hill? No problem, shoot 10 bullets from your GEK with it's insane ROF/Dmg. and he's dead.

Logistics with a mass driver? shoot 15 bullets from your GEK with it's insane ROF. and he's dead.

Tank? No problem, use one AV grenade he's dead.

LAV? No problem, us an AV grenade or shoot one full mag from your GEK and he's dead.

The fact is that you don't need any other class except assault in this game. And you get very harshly punished if you dare try to use any weapon except the AR.

CCP, stop making AR's into the MP40 of World at war.

I would be fine with Assault Rifles if they had one effective range instead of being 100% dominate at all ranges.
But it won't happen because of the mass influx of people who are about to bash on me.

Sorry, it doesn't take "skill" to hold R1.

Laser rifles can drop you quick in the hands of a skilled player, shotguns are still the best for CQC and HMG can take out groups of enemies.

This. Now everyone go to the feedback thread and agree with me :D

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@ Flag
Yeah, but YOU, the marine, adjust to the weapon. You have practise, and I'm sure you'd never try full auto vs someone at 200m
I'm NOT in the army. But I fired an M-16 in the states. Fully auto I put 3 rounds into a target at 20 yards. I think you'd do FAR better at managing the recoil.
Like I say, I don't have the experience you do.

SR loses out to AR at just about all ranges, except for extreme long and at those ranges SR is a pretty limited weapon too - yeah you can get a cap with SR into an assault suit that runs with an AR but second later they would be behind cover and regen lost HP - sniper in 2/3 times wont have another shot to finish the job. What happens next - who knows, the same assault suit might sneak up on the sniper and teach him a lesson at close range just to prove a point. In my experience the argument that 'SR >> AR at long range' is a weak one.

You're right. Because of my practice I was able to manage my recoil. But isn't that what AR OP is for in game? To Stabilize the weapon better for more accurate firing and less recoil?

sniper will own a AR at the proper range.. AR can't reach. ask sleepy how to do it..

so OP what gun should we all be using instead?

no it only increases the dmg.. there is skills to reload faster and another to increase range

Guess I'm doing it wrong, but I lose more than I win against AR guys at 400m. That has never happened up until this build. I would lose to AR's at medium range, but nothing longer than 350m. Now I'm losing routinely.

Maybe it's range, maybe it's no recoil, but the AR currently is the best gun for every situation. It's an automatic sniper rifle as is, which renders the SR almost useless on these maps that are fenced in by the red line of death.

Ahh, yeah you're right. Wasn't on Dust to actually see what Skill did what. My bad on that.

protoman won't be happy about this

But seriously, instead of CCP nerfing ARs why don't you just get better

I do not believe that the AR (Assault Rifle) needs any sort of balancing, or lowering. It is suppose to naturally be that go-to weapon, and the undeniable all-purpose weapon. What I have noticed this build is that due to CCP slowing the game down a slight bit between lowering the character speeds, and strafe (for purpose speculated) that the 'Scout' variant is a lot harder to take to the front lines. Almost an undeniable liability to play unless you are literally armed with a stealth module. Also I took to noticing that the SMG has seen a slight balancing in which it now is litterally useless nigh without passive skills to enforce it's natural killing ability. Having a steady hand helps a lot too. The shotgun is still naturally brutal and even more so when that stealth module wielding player nails you in the back while you are unaware of his/her prescence. The forge gun is beyond deadly, and so is the mass driver. Ran into someone wielding one infact last night and they were able to dispense of me before I could get comfortable enough to fire properly. A direct hit like that of the forge gun is lethality at it's finest. The swarm dismantles armored and non armored vehicles to ashes, and speaks for itself. The scrambler pistol is again still relevent as well. Infact I may as well just say that all weapons are still capable and lethal killing tools. However! They are nonetheless tools and only as powerful and/or lethal as the player/merc/Duster whom is wielding them.

Spouting that the AR, the go-to all-purpose weapon needs to be rebalanced is nonesense. It's your opinion, but it certainly does not need one. Even the laser rifle is getting plenty kills and use by Dusters on the battlefield. CCP makes all of the dropsuits in terms of armor plating and shielding the same, and people still complain. If anything the game is increadibly balanced at the moment. The only problem apparent is the flaws in the players, and unfortunetly it's these said players blaming everyone and especially the game for their problems other then themselves.

Are there legitimate issues to be concerned about? Yes. Is this thread detracting from them? Yes.

Whoa there killer. Yes, the AR should be the go to weapon, but it shouldn't be able to shoot a flea off a horse's back at 350m. Currently, it can. Why? No recoil like last build. No spray. The spray has been replaced with a straight line, which makes it OP. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

Not sure what you're talking about with all the suits having the armor and shielding the same, and complaints. I wouldn't want them to be the same (talking about militia to proto).

And yes, the speeds have been lowered. The problem is the scout suit now has no niche. I can't imagine using them in the front lines with how paper thin they are, regardless of speed. But I digress.

To each his own...

You must know your meters. I've yet to see someone do that with an AR. So I think you are simply exaggerating. There is a little recoil, but how much should there be? As for how accurate it is? Shooting a straight line is a good thing in my opinion, but then again it's not a scattergun. I do not see people complaining overly about the laser rifle and it shoots just as straight. Same with the scrambler pistol. The reason for the low accuracy though of the SMG is simply due to it having almost no barrel, which equals less spin on the bullet itself.

The dropsuits are fine as they are now, and very well balanced. The only reason for wanting the higher tech level gear is for more options, and generated power -- CPU (Central Processing Unit) and PG (Power Grid) -- and more module, and equipment options. If you want more or less shielding/armor pick-up a different subtype -- 'Scout', 'Logistical', 'Assault', and 'Heavy". Which again all have their own pros and cons.

Has the 'Scout' lost it's niche' though? I could not tell you. It's not a front line runner, or shock trooper anymore like it has been in the past, but it still a great recon, assassin, and sniper. Infact they are superb in those areas. I'd like more data on it, but then again I doubt I'll see that data ever.

Back to the topic at hand though; the AR is fine at the moment. People are just unruly, complaining griefers. Who are all too willing to lay blame to everything other then themselves for the most part.

I took up this fight a while back, it wasn't well met. They need more kickback and to be just a little less accurate until you skill all the way up, also their range should be shaved back just the tiniest bit.

It's the little things at this point, they just need to tweak and turn the dials a bit to find the perfect setting. ARs will always be the go to weapon for most people, it just shouldn't be such a blatantly obvious choice.