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Sota, I respect your gun and ive stared down the business end of your muzzle quite a few times. The dmg mods, can go on all light weapons. So what does it turn a gek into? What about the duvolle with dmg mods? The dmg mods work on all light weapons doesnt it? So a laser with a complex isnt competing? I dont understand and I want to. Help me out.



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Great now the grammar nazies are coming out stating that certain posters thoughts are dumb (or just ridiculing him) because the post was not typed with all grammar. Guess what unless it is required for proper understanding of what is being said (which it was not) then you are just being a freaking idiot. If you dont like what he says then argue the points that you think are not valid.

We are shooting plasma, pure energy, I don't think there should be kick as there would be nothing kicking :D though I agree about Breach+burst needing a buff.

as AR should be the king of mid range - but the increase doesn't make it king, it's god. Your MD's, your forge gunners, your SMGs, your shotgunners, pistol wielders, dual knifers, anything, I'm going to butcher it with a militia AR and dmg mods. You can put a dmg mod of 10% yourself on your proto type version, I'm still going to win. Run up to a mountain, grab a laser, and fight me range. You'll have the advantage, but my weapon still does enough dmg to kill a laser user long range. So what incentive do I have to be anything but the all purpose, jack of all trades AR?

And that's not how it should be. These mods are far too easy to obtain and offers little to anything but weapons of high RoF

People don't take other peoples SP into account either, for the first day or so when i'm training corp skills i got nuked by everyone because i didn't even have basic fitting skills. Maybe your fits are bad and you have terrible tank and it's nothign at all to do with the AR damage. Maybe people should post their fittings too when complaining about a specific weapon being OP.

thread just won't die...

You see it's because people agree that ARs are broken and the AR users are Damn right obvious as they QQ their a$$
about a potential nerf.
And when the scrambler rifle comes out it probably will be OP too so nerf ARs not Blasters.
And I'll lose faith in CCP if they listen to all theese AR kids or immature beings.

AR's are fine, just work too well at long range.
HMG's should tear everything to shreds in close range - They do that
AR's should kill everything in medium range - They do that
Snipers should kill everything at long range - They do that

BUT
HMG's should tear everything to shreds in close range - They do that but also in medium range
AR's should kill everything in medium range - They do that but they creep into long range a little bit too much
Snipers should kill everything at long range - They do that and they are exactly where they should be.


My suggestion:
Nerf the HMG range, and nerf the AR range.
They should still hit the target, but the damage should be tiny.

They don't even have that much damage nor range when you start out.

You have to channel tons and tons of skill points into getting the gun to be effective: five levels of assault rifle, five levels of proficiency, five levels of sharpshooter AND you need to work with a horrible shooting and tracking mechanic just to kill someone. All the while being killed by snipers, fast scouts with shotguns - which kill in one or two shots - subs and of course heavies who, lest we forget, need very specific circumstances needed to kill them (STAY AT RANGE, JUMP AROUND THEM AND RUN AWAY - stupidity). which means that you can't put any SP into shield or anything else meaning you'll die easily.

I understand what people are saying about recoil. But it's hard enough to track someone when they are running. ARs need to be powerful to take out heavies who require no skill to hold R1 and point (as you so accused ARs of needing.

If ARs are getting nerfed so should heavies.

They don't even have that much damage nor range when you start out.

You have to channel tons and tons of skill points into getting the gun to be effective: five levels of assault rifle, five levels of proficiency, five levels of sharpshooter AND you need to work with a horrible shooting and tracking mechanic just to kill someone. All the while being killed by snipers, fast scouts with shotguns - which kill in one or two shots - subs and of course heavies who, lest we forget, need very specific circumstances needed to kill them (STAY AT RANGE, JUMP AROUND THEM AND RUN AWAY - stupidity). which means that you can't put any SP into shield or anything else meaning you'll die easily.

I understand what people are saying about recoil. But it's hard enough to track someone when they are running. ARs need to be powerful to take out heavies who require no skill to hold R1 and point (as you so accused ARs of needing.

If ARs are getting nerfed so should heavies.

Are you kidding me??? I have almost no sp in assault rifles, and I still do fine with them. Don't try and make it look like AR's are more sp intensive than any other weapon, as they all have operation, proficiency and sharpshooter.

Also nerf heavies? Have you ever used one? On my shotgun scout alt (that still uses militia gear and has about 700k total sp) I easily deal with them. It's something know as "tactics"', and charging a heavy straight on is not a good idea

I never said they were more intensive I know they all do, heavies need to train in more sp than assault and spend much more ISK I acknowledge this. But heavies get better effect out of their skills and they still kill me before I put any sort of substantial damage to them. Using a shotgun on a heavy is different than and assault rifle surely, it has more damage and not too bad RoF.

If we are nerfing ARs then yeah we should nerf them. I can't believe people actually think that heavies are balanced. Fair enough they cost more ISK and SP.

But I do agree with the recoil, it is a bit OP in that department, but I honestly don't think ARs need nerfed. ARs already don't have a chance against heavies (at least from my experience, maybe something is wrong with my character) nerf them it'll be pointless.

EDIT: I do use tactics man don't be condescending. I do everything the bias heavies tell me to when they whine and ***** about "Shoot them from behind, circle around them, stay at range" .

I am only speaking from personal experience, I guess everyone has problems with all classes.

Well yeah they do. The difference between assault and heavy is that the heavy class can increase it's resistance to damage can it not? Increase it's own damage, range and just about everything the assault class can. Difference is that the heavy takes less damage, outputs more damage due to the HMG's HP rating and proficiency levels, the HMG's RoF fires much faster than the assault rifle in turn dealing more damage while taking less.

Well yes you can do that, 'cuz I've seen it happen: group of 5-7 soldiers taken out by one heavy. He walks away basically untouched still has half armour. Heavies kill most people who try to 'outrun' them; more damage to the back of them while they run.

Maybe it'll get easier with Ewar? It is the beta so not everything is ironed out yet. I'm sure there will be more methods to taking them out in the final release... Maybe i'm not thinking about that as much as I should, but I really hope people don't moan about Ewar like they do on EVE.

Sorry for making it about heavies guys... Wasn't my intention, I was just using the phrase 'If ARs get nerfed so should Heavies' to make my point on ARs clear.

But new recoil for ARs definitely.

Everyone seems to be using type-ll type-b or vk.1 theese days , stupid playerbase -_-

I agree, They need to shoot shorter distances, I think its a bit much to shoot from "C point" into " A Point" on the 3 point map.!

I guess that full sharpshooter and sharpshooter proficiency have been attained , NERF them ALL.


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