I will be starting a corp for all the single good looking ladies. Please send nudy pics to see if you are good looking enough.

Not a religious forum, lets not get off topic.

everyone chill the kitten out.

This is actually perfect for everybody!

Though I am not Muslim, I am aware that Muslim religion has usually strictly enforced times of prayer. An entire Corporation of Muslims would not have to worry about their Corporation meetings and duties interfering with prayer.

And their enemies will know EXACTLY when to strike them, since they would have no defenders to stop the invasions!

Why would you ruin a perfectly good game with relgion?

This game is buggy enough lets keep buggy dogma out! Haha joking!

But serious. Relgion sucks.

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

And of course,

The Sleeper Has Awakened

Rather apt for Dust don't you think?

EDIT; Sorry off topic,
not a muslim, actually a heathen (witch) but there you go,
there is something spiritual in us all, it just manefests differently...

but hii to a fellow writer (Elijah).



- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio'-

Why would you ruin a perfectly good game with relgion?

This game is buggy enough lets keep buggy dogma out! Haha joking!

But serious. Relgion sucks.

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

I know your weakness Muslims.......

(Evil laughter)

Unlike the other two middle east religions, Allah doesn't condemn everyone to hell just because they do not believe in him(: so, Salaam, peace be upon you my friend and hi to you as well. <3 and no problem, its an open forum post, post what you want my friend.

its nothing different than the other guys who started a corps in there respective regions

except the part where he said "fight for islam" ...

Where are you getting this information... Sheol isn't the place of hell romantacized by christianity as a place of punishment, but a place where the dead go, unless they are righteous.

In Christianity you don't go to hell because you don't believe in something you escape hell because you DO believe.


but the qran does command the death of unbelievers... in several places...
glad most do not practice that tho

sorry to go off topic again,...
but I have a question I've always wanted to ask an arabic speaker;

Does this phrase make sense to you, or is it gibberish?

'Ia mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqa sarmadi
fa itha yaji ash-shuthath al-mautu qad yantahi.'

good luck with the recruting,
thanks in advance,

Amy,



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Any fellow atheists around?
They say we are militant. LETS GET MILITANT!

sorry to go off topic again,...
but I have a question I've always wanted to ask an arabic speaker;

Does this phrase make sense to you, or is it gibberish?

'Ia mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqa sarmadi
fa itha yaji ash-shuthath al-mautu qad yantahi.'

good luck with the recruting,
thanks in advance,

Amy,



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there is a problem with the structure, but it could mean
he who is not dying (or dead, or capable of death...depends on context) well capable of immortality
i think it should be
la mayyitan, qadirun an yatabaqqa sarmadi

the second part is more confusing, but it could mean
and when the strange/weird ones come, death might end.

would help more if there is a source, if you are translating something, i can help you with a better rhyme.

Direct translation is supposed to be;

'That thing is not dead which has the capacity to continue to exist eternally,
And if the abnormal (bizarre, strange) ones (things, times?) come, then death may cease to be.'

but the English 'poetic' version is;

'That is not dead that which can eternal lie,
And with stange aeons even death may die.'

Its from the 'Al Azif', better known as the Necronomicon of the Cthulhu Mythos,
...of which I'm a fan, lol

thanks miahus
blessed be,
Amy.



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Amy, do practice any form of the Wiccan ideal?

Direct translation is supposed to be;

'That thing is not dead which has the capacity to continue to exist eternally,
And if the abnormal (bizarre, strange) ones (things, times?) come, then death may cease to be.'

but the English 'poetic' version is;

'That is not dead that which can eternal lie,
And with stange aeons even death may die.'

Its from the 'Al Azif', better known as the Necronomicon of the Cthulhu Mythos,
...of which I'm a fan, lol

thanks miahus
blessed be,
Amy.

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One of my favorites in Arabic: "Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine"

Vittori Agli Asisini!

One of my favorites in Arabic: "Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine"

Vittori Agli Asisini!

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

The guy was trying to recruit, there are 'christan' corporations in eve online atm as well.

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

arent muslims against hate and war? why set up shop here?

Because it's a video game, and not actual hate and war.

I hate to get into a religious debate, but you're wrong mad mudd :), if you say it mentions death to unbelievers in several places, quote me one of them plz.

Why would you ruin a perfectly good game with relgion?

This game is buggy enough lets keep buggy dogma out! Haha joking!

But serious. Relgion sucks.

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

The SiFi book Eaters of the Dead had a Muslim protagonist. YOU would know about this because they made a MOVIE of the book, called 'The 13th Warrior'

Please stop posting things against religions.. ( Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Paganism, Heathenism, Hinduism, Bhudism. etc )

And stop making silly accusations against the Al'Quran or Bible. It makes you look uneducated and immature. Keep this post mature and don't make fun of others because of their beliefs or culture. Thank you.

Salaam.
-Elijah

I did warn you people will hassle you. IMHO don't make a big deal about people being Muslim or not. Makes threads flame bait due to world events. Just recruit Arabic speakers. Tbh, just take the focus off your religion. Islam is not a tolerant religion... It's your choice.
Please don't get uppity when people site references in your holy texts.

No hate guys, religion is a perspective... nothing wrong with it as long as people don't force it on others and kill people over it. Salaam to my brothers and sisters that are already in corps and can't join(:

Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.

Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.

north ireland isn't about religion...

I am really surprised that the moderators have not locked this thread down yet, but whatever, it is interesting stuff.

I think without a lock that this thread will extend to many pages and It amuses me how some of the posters are tiptoeing around in here like it's a minefield, which it certainly is.

The old saying is "never bring up politics or religion in the presence of polite company," but personally I could talk about either topic all day long and enjoy it.

It's always the zealots of any religion that ruin it for all.

Good stuff!

I know your weakness Muslims.......

(Evil laughter)

ccp sucks:P

I'm surprised this thread is still around, I suppose it's technically a recruitment thread so that makes it different.

Anyone want to debate?

I find it odd how people can believe so strongly in something that they have no evidence for, especially when there are much more rational and empirically backed-up explanations with verifiable physical evidence. If a Muslim was born in the Vatican, then he would likely just as easily end up being Catholic. Science doesn't have all the answers, but the answers science finds have been growing exponentially as time passes. Science isn't error free, but it changes its conclusions when new evidence emerges instead of being a set unchanging dogma that. At least the answers they do find over time are based on observable measurable reality, so it doesn't make sense to me when people believe something written in an ancient book over hard evidence when the 2 contradict.
Religions with all knowing gods that punish people with hell doesn't make sense to me either. If God is all knowing, then free will cannot exist. If God knows everything, then he knows what you will do before you do it, and the only way he could know that is if the future is already decided, and your choices cannot go differently (hence no free will). If there is no free will, then it makes no sense to punish someone with an eternity of suffering over something they had no control of; such a God would be evil. Even if free will exists, it doesn't make sense that finite actions with infinitely tiny effects on the universe as a whole would deserve infinite suffering, after a few hundred years you wouldn't even remember what it was that you did, or that you were ever alive on Earth... seems excessive. I know Islam does have a thing where someone looking up from Heaven can bail you out of jail if they take pity on you, but what if they don't?
Religion in general does have purpose of community and morality, but both these things can be achieved without religion. Nationalism for example (as dangerous as it is) has been extremely successful at creating a sense of community, or basically any ideology. Morality is largely built in, and evolved in not only humans, but various social animals (altruism and senses of justice in chimps for example). Children too young to have learned any moral codes have been shown to instinctually have empathy. Morality exist as a way to maintain group stability; if everyone was allowed to murder, then there would be no sense of security, lying is considered wrong because if everyone lied all the time then language would become obsolete, etc. All that is required for a moral code is the basic understanding of what is good or not good for human happiness and well being, and some empathy.

I must say though 800-1100 AD was a great period for science and mathematics (concept of zero, Arabic numerals which we use today, stars mapped and named, al-gebra, al-gorithms, etc). Bagdad was the intellectual center of the world with free exchange of ideas between a variety of religions and doubters, but then this a$$hole imam called Hamid al-Ghazali decided math was the work of the devil, and destroyed the intellectual enterprise of Islam. Islam deserves some credit.

...can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

Any fellow atheists around?
They say we are militant. LETS GET MILITANT!

Not an atheist but a scientist.

So my natural first question is: Please post your experimental setup so I can reproduce your conclusions.

These forums are delving into religious debates now..... -_-

*sigh

Sorry to CCP that people are going a bit out of order on my thread. and about the comment i made about the other religions of the middle east, forgive me. I didn't mean it as insulting. I love all people and i realize people have their own beliefs(: i just wanted a corp that enlisted fellow Muslims so we can form a community for other Muslims to come to. And to the people still trying to prove Islam, Christians, and Jews and other religions wrong... Just stop wasting your time, i understand allot of us religious people are wrong for trying to force it on you, but religion isn't going to go away any time soon, its a way of life, and it was needed in mans evolution for the creation of Community's.

" You cannot blame an entire religion or culture as being bad just because there are a few bad people from these religions and cultures... Otherwise every community, even atheists, would be considered wrong. "

love to CCP, i never meant to start a flame war, everyone is welcome to comment what they want on this thread, but i say again, please be mature, and don't ridicule others!

I fully understand, you wish to game with people like you,
as does everyone...

I myself am likely to join/start a corps that enjoys a bit of light RP gaming,
but doesn't take it too seriously
as is probably evident in my posts.

Also I have to say all this debate, good or ill, is at least getting people viewing your thread,
and keeping it active, which can't be a bad thing.

blessed be,


- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -

false, this was never meant as a religious debate. people changed it into that because they cannot get along...

I never said it was your fault, you were just trying to get something going for select group of people to be able to easily find each other and hang out, there's nothing wrong with that. People just can't control themselves and it got out of hand, it is what it is.

no worries, **** happens

Why would you ruin a perfectly good game with relgion?

This game is buggy enough lets keep buggy dogma out! Haha joking!

But serious. Relgion sucks.

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

I vote to have this thread locked. Theres no reason to have this kind of thread on a game forum. Take this to another website. I don't think i want to get on to a forum to look at info about a beta and see muslims trying to recruit. I tell you one thing if a Christian group came up, all hell would break loose.

Just my thoughts.

Let the hate replys begin: I enjoy them.

Now, Now, no reason for hate :p there's nothing wrong with the thread trying to recruit? Its no different than someone else trying to recruit? Can people just have equality and stop hating....

Im not hating on your religon or anything, but theres no need to have a Muslim Alliance or Corp, your just setting yourself up for a world of hate and a world of racism when the game opens. Im saving you.

This is actually perfect for everybody!

Though I am not Muslim, I am aware that Muslim religion has usually strictly enforced times of prayer. An entire Corporation of Muslims would not have to worry about their Corporation meetings and duties interfering with prayer.

And their enemies will know EXACTLY when to strike them, since they would have no defenders to stop the invasions!

People here love using the word fallacy on these forums. Must be an intellectual thing I skipped. I prefer "Lies!" It's far more accusatory and much more fun.

Red corner: you lie!
Blue corner: no, you lie!
Everyone: LIES!

Wow, this thread is VERY unusual,yet strangely fascinating. It's great to see the religions and atheists get through 6 pages without war breaking out.

People here love using the word fallacy on these forums. Must be an intellectual thing I skipped. I prefer "Lies!" It's far more accusatory and much more fun.

Red corner: you lie!
Blue corner: no, you lie!
Everyone: LIES!

Im not hating on your religon or anything, but theres no need to have a Muslim Alliance or Corp, your just setting yourself up for a world of hate and a world of racism when the game opens. Im saving you.

Though in New Eden is red against yellow and green against blue.....



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I am not and NEVER will be a racist or anti-religion person.... i understand a racist forum being deleted and i ABSOLUTELY agree! This post is not in any way racist or against any other religion. I want a corp that has a Islamic, Christian, and other religion community so we don't half to constantly be hated on and picked on, to be in our own community and alliance.

ONCE AGAIN = please act mature and modest.

I call for an alliance between Christian themed corps ( i know there are many ) and Muslims themed corps ( i'm sure there are a few )! We must defend our faith in hard times brothers and sisters <3

but no alliance with any Jewish themed corps? I see.

but no alliance with any Jewish themed corps? I see.

underlined the bit you might've missed in your haste to troll so eagerly

People here love using the word fallacy on these forums. Must be an intellectual thing I skipped. I prefer "Lies!" It's far more accusatory and much more fun.

Red corner: you lie!
Blue corner: no, you lie!
Everyone: LIES!

hmmm, I think your just trying to make trouble aren't you.....



DON'T....



- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -

Argument: Every person I've met has ten fingers, therefore, all people have ten fingers.
Problem: Those who have been met are not a representative subset of the entire set.

or my personal favorite

Argument: Every person I've met seriously thinks the gold standard is a joke, therefore, all people hate the idea gold backing ones currency.
Problem: Those who have been met are not a representative subset of the entire set.

Are they lying, clearly they are being honest to a fault using opinion that cannot prooved or disprooved.

In informal logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is usually an error in reasoning often due to a misconception or a presumption. Some so-called fallacies are not rhetorically intended to appeal to reason but rather to emotion, or a more nuanced disposition. An informal analysis of rhetorical patterns in fallacies should not be confused with rigorously formal arguments in logic, because rationally persuasive arguments require neither to be successful.

Please lock this thread. Dust was cool until today. Some kitten trolled you guys hard and some other kittens took the bait and got hooked bad.

Please lock this thread. It is embarrassing. All the extensional talk of "well I'm a Wiccan so I think blah blah blah" and "I'm an atheist so I'm so accepting so blah blah blah"

"fight for Islam"... guys this is either a joke or an Amarr thing or your getting trolled or something. Please lock this. Its embarrassing.

Oh calm down now. The post wasn't filled with anything ill willed.

yeh, sorry, just read it that way, and a little grouchy maybe...
all cool...



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7 freakin pages!

I am so impressed with all of you, for real.

Sura 9:29-33
Sura 66:9
Quran (2:191-193)
Quran (2:244)
Quran (2:216)

Not to mention the very origin of the religion, unfortunately, does deal with a lot with battles between Mohammad's followers and Meccans, thus cementing the Islam religion in the world. Not that it really matters...

The OP made a backhanded comment about other religions, and put "fight for islam" as part of his first post.

Very distasteful IMO. No one cares if he wants to have a group of regional friends to play with, or even of the same religion, but those two comments were unneccessary and distasteful.

If he truly is willing to just play with anyone, though preffering regional proximity, saying backhanded comments about other religions and saying fight for Islam isn't going to help with that.

I asked you to quote me one, not to just drop numbers on me. I have read the parts you mentioned but there is nothing there that calls for killing non believers just like that on the spot, and then you appreciating us not practicing otherwise we will go around killing nonbelievers.
All chapters and verses you mentioned cannot be correctly understood unless they are considered parts of one integral whole that must be read in the context of the clear-cut quranic rule that war is permitted only in self defence. in other words, the injunction to fight is relevant only in the event of aggression committed against the muslim community or state, or in the presence of an unmistakable threat to its security.
Like most internet educated religious scholars, you have been mis/disinformed. I don't even know what translation you were quoting, but i can tell it is a kittened up one :)

Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem.
Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.
Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen.
Ar-rahman ir-rahim.
Maliki yawm-deen.
Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een.
Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem.
Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim,
Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.

( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed.
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful.
All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
the beneficent, the most merciful.
Master of the day of judgment.
Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day.
Guide us the straight path
The path of those who bestow your grace.
Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.

O_o that is all kinds of cool.
'not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor the path of those who go astray."

Salaam :D i can get along with Atheists as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, and in return i will not mine on them, I'm Muslima and 70% of my friends are Christian and Atheist :p i'm pretty accepting lol

your point? lol

Atheist beliefs? What exactly might those be? This is so far off it's not even wrong.

The forcing of atheist beliefs? This is called "teaching critical thinking" (please notice that I did not say "education"), and atheism is one of the likely (I hope) eventual results of the process, -not the cause of it.

[quote=Tony Calif]Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.


trust you.

Salaam :D i can get along with Atheists as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, and in return i will not mine on them, I'm Muslima and 70% of my friends are Christian and Atheist :p i'm pretty accepting lol

Flying Spaghetti Monster > You

Brother, let them stay in their ways, for Allah ( swt ) is merciful enough to forgive them their ways, for they surely have gone astray from the purity. Remember Al-Fatiha Al-Quran my beloved brother.

Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem.
Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.
Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen.
Ar-rahman ir-rahim.
Maliki yawm-deen.
Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een.
Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem.
Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim,
Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.

( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed.
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful.
All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
the beneficent, the most merciful.
Master of the day of judgment.
Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day.
Guide us the straight path
The path of those who bestow your grace.
Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.

Flying Spaghetti Monster > You



(Edit to say: not meaning to offend, just being a smartass)

Wow, this thread is VERY unusual,yet strangely fascinating. It's great to see the religions and atheists get through 6 pages without war breaking out.

[quote=KingBlade82][quote=Elijah Revan]As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar

Bene Gesserit witch...

My favorite part of this thread was when people who can't read Arabic try to tell those who can what Al' rasulAllah meant when he recited.

Also, Elijah you can not give Salaams to the kufar... If you are Sunni, anyway. If you are Shia then you know the drill.

kufar love the word, but love the word science better...

Then I'm willing to bet you find the Arabic word 'Algebra' down right fascinating.

I'm ashamed that the American Diplomat was killed in Libya/Middle East. But the
protests are justified considering the Jewish guy Sam Bacile is creating a movie that downright insults directly, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) peace be upon him. That's a disgusting thing to do.

it's just a movie get over it...

justified protest over a movie?

it's just a movie get over it...

justified protest over a movie?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/12/anti-islam-filmmaker-sam-bacile-goes-into-hiding-after-movie-sparks-violent-riots-in-egypt-libya/


If it was about Jesus (isa) it would've been even worse. From both Christianx and Muslims, because we respect him as well.

And protests? If the world didn't protest, there would be no freedom.


Read the link, then come back.

takes two to tango man...

i take that on broad but do killing 3 innocent people for something they didn't do"two to tango"? why was it on sep 11th, not two months ago when the film was out?

4 people were killed i believe and idk man but if the movie didnt show up then there wouldnt have been protest but as u said it does not mean God gave you the right to kill anyone innocent over it so in reality it "fanatics" that believe since their religion was insulted they have to kill whoever insulted it in this case it was an american film and the closet they can do was rush the embassy. Libyan Security forces had fought along side the americans in the embassy and helped evacuate as many as they could. Even they know a bit of tolerance and to take things so seriously. but again it was just a group of "fanatics" who thought this was the right thing to do and i find kind of funny that these "fanatics" take it upon themselves to kill for God because they think thats what God/Muhammad wants them to do. its just senseless violence, just like the crusades. Holy wars will never be won by anyone.

Like I said, I do not be live in the killings as I said before. I believed in the protests, but the killers were not true Muslims.

Atheist beliefs? What exactly might those be? This is so far off it's not even wrong.

The forcing of atheist beliefs? This is called "teaching critical thinking" (please notice that I did not say "education"), and atheism is one of the likely (I hope) eventual results of the process, -not the cause of it.

it just boils my eggs...

does all this boil down to schooling, or something else?

History confirms that three related tribes, Jews, Christians and Muslims, have been at war with each other since the birth of Islam. It will never change. Ever. Before that, the Jews fought the Christians.

And within the Muslim faith, when not busy fighting the others, they fight each other like Sunni and Shia.

Just after 911, the US told Pakistan that they would be bombed back to the stone age if they took the Taliban's side in the war on terror. In a public speech, the then military dictator of the only nuclear armed islamic state, openly stated that Pakistani Muslims must employ the tactic espoused by the prophet, to appease one enemy in order to continue the long term fight against both. So they helped the US, not because they supported the cause, but for the reason that Islam cannot fight both the Jew and the Christian at the same time and expect to survive. The long term strategy of islam is to fight both the Jew and the Christian, but on the terms that the Muslims select. They generally select non state actor violence, what we call terrorism. It is a product of the values of the faith. Similar modus operandi can be traced back over hundreds of years, including the many Muslim incursions into India, from the times of Genghis khan. A lot of these raids were Iike modern day terror attacks. Swift, brutal and inflicting mass carnage on innocent and defenceless victims. Justified by Islam.

The faith dictates, that those who are unbelievers, need to be brought to account before God and the faith enlists martyrs to bring the infidels to account.

I do not agree with or support such an ideology however I respect the right of others to follow the ideology of their choosing, but I deny that anyone has any right to inflict their ideology on others using violence.

Quite frankly the whole subject disgusts me.

of course they werent if im correct true muslims wouldnt even consider taking this kind of action

That's the horror of people using islam to control people, and to create zealots to do evil for them. just the other day someone was telling me why islam is bad and they all want to kill jews and hate us, ugh it's was sick to listen to so i put him in his place. he didn't believe me, but I wasn't going to sit there and listen to someone condem a religion based around peace just becuase 0.000001% of muslims would ever do a violent action in their life.

Without getting into forum banning territory, I'll just say this. It's the leaders of men, the men themself that do evil. And using religion to do something evil does not make the region evil. I know lots of people of every creed and religion and they are all swell people.

We live in an world with evil hiding in it's cracks, and sadly it's never going to go away. But lets try our best to be above that shall we?

What amazes me is the memory issue....Or memory lapse to be specific....

By that I mean, that we all know the US role in liberating Libya recently. Its very recent history. Without the US, Gaddafi would still be in charge.

Mohammed, on the other hand, lived from 570 to 672AD. That's a very long time ago. No one can say for sure or certainty that all things stated about this person in the modern world are factual, simply because there is no way to prove any of it.

For that reason, the Islamic reaction to the Bacile film, is totally unreasonable and out of proportion. It would be simpler and smarter for the Muslims to refute what Bacile said in the film, because it cannot be proven in any way. Further, the recent memory of the US help in liberating Libya should mean something and be given respect.

But the Muslims chose to play right into Bacile's hands by responding in the way his film suggests they would - with violence based on 1300 year old rhetoric.

Muslims were at one stage some of the smartest folks in the world. They gave us mathematics, astronomy and complex architecture. Now, we note them more for destruction and the massacre of innocents and it really does not need to be this way.

US? what about everyone else?

I'm not refuting that other countries helped liberate Libya.

But it is undeniable fact that in most modern day conflicts where western allies are involved in cooperation, that the US is the strategic and tactical leader as well as the principal financier of such theaters of conflict.

This is because of the concept of "big battalions" and "might is right". The US wants to liberate a country, others are prepared to help. If this US does not want involvement in a theater, for example, Syria, then other western allies will not act alone. That's how the big battalions and might is right concepts work in modern geo-politics.

For the record, I'm Australian and I'm not a Muslim. I was against the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq as my firm belief is that all terror roads lead directly to a country I mentioned in an earlier post, which has an Islamic nuke. I always am amused when people worry about Iran getting nukes. Hello? Anybody home? Where do they get the nuke tech? AQ Khan. Pakistan. Same country that gave rise to the Taliban. Very fishy stuff in the geo-politic. Bin Laden casually holed up in a fortified compound in a military garrison town swarming with ISI security personnel and apparently they had no knowledge? Yeah right. I smell a rat.

Where have they put up the current leader all zahwiri? In a mansion in the government area of Islamabad? Would not surprise me.

Cloak and dagger stuff, truly.

libya was a mission run by the uk/french gov...

ENOUGH. I do not like that everyone is causing a flame war. And may the US ambassador to Libya rest in peace, it was wrong to hurt that man over some stupid video. They should not have made the video, and people in the middle east should not hate america. i am an american citizen myself.

ENOUGH.

You forget to add, "with US backing"

It wasn't until the US offered logistical support that the operations begun.

Same reason why Syria job is right now un-do-able. No US logistical support for military operations.

US backing, then things happen....

Listen ladies, the truth is that all three abrahamic religions promote violence. Christianity is heavily based on Judaism even though they don't like to admit it. Christians base a lot of their beliefs from the old testament, but also try to throw out the stuff that they don't think fits anymore. Of course jews still believe in their book, and the Muslims follow the Qur'an . All books teach of violence to "non believers" and all also teach at some point or another of CONVERTING the non believers. So all three have serious contradictions, that just being one of them, that aid to confuse any believers of their religion.

With all three religions being full of so much bullcrap violence against those non believers, it is only the actual ACTIONS of the believers that count. And in current times, it is the muslims that are the most violent, extremest, and most harmful with their religion. Christians and jews for as bad as they are, have moved past and the religions have been able to adapt to modern society, while believers in islam have more or less stayed in the past with their own ways.

I'm sorry, but your religion does NOT preach peace, and on top of that there are FAR MORE of your believers that do MUCH GREATER harm than any other of the Abraham religions. The only religions in modern times that do more damage than Muslims are cults, and cults of course quickly die out and only cause more damage in a very limited amount of time (for example the day they all mass suicide or riot to the death)

Any muslim extremists here? Terrorists? Suicide Bombers? Enemies of the U.S.?
If so do an AMA, it would be really interesting.

What amazes me is the memory issue....Or memory lapse to be specific....

By that I mean, that we all know the US role in liberating Libya recently. Its very recent history. Without the US, Gaddafi would still be in charge.

Mohammed, on the other hand, lived from 570 to 672AD. That's a very long time ago. No one can say for sure or certainty that all things stated about this person in the modern world are factual, simply because there is no way to prove any of it.

For that reason, the Islamic reaction to the Bacile film, is totally unreasonable and out of proportion. It would be simpler and smarter for the Muslims to refute what Bacile said in the film, because it cannot be proven in any way. Further, the recent memory of the US help in liberating Libya should mean something and be given respect.

But the Muslims chose to play right into Bacile's hands by responding in the way his film suggests they would - with violence based on 1300 year old rhetoric.

Muslims were at one stage some of the smartest folks in the world. They gave us mathematics, astronomy and complex architecture. Now, we note them more for destruction and the massacre of innocents and it really does not need to be this way.

I'm going to try and avoid starting a flame war, but you are cherry picking more than the people you are criticizing. Plus you really don't seem to understand the fundamental difference between Judaism and the derivative religions. For example, Judaism is the only one of the three mentioned that believes "non-believers" are not less "good". It is a covenant of extra rules for a closer relationship, not a cult of believers on a course to convert the world. Believe it or not there are huge differences between religions. Fundamentalists are the problem (those who take works with context thousands of years ago before individuals were recognized for their unique value literally into the present), but religions that are aggressively and righteously evangelical are the vehicle that gives them power. Just as I would never say Islam is the whole of the problem, don't turn around and say all religions are the same, even if they are historically related.

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

History. http://kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/secrets-of-quran-a-sunnah/418-the-miracle-of-guarding-the-quran-



Not making any remarks about others, just placing facts here. University of Carolina found no contradictions or changes in the Quran, which is centuries old. For perspectives sake, they found about 2000 in other holy books. Again, test was not conducted by Muslims. Take it how you will. Islam is a religion of peace. Crusades? Christians after Muslims. Jews? In history, Jews wanted the final prophet to be from their "sect". It ended up that he came from the Arabs. Islam is the target.Feel free to argue politely, I'll try my best to answer any concerns.

TABLE 1. QUMRAN VS. THE MASORETES
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Of the 166 Hebrew words in Isaiah 53, only
seventeen letters in Dead Sea Scroll 1QIsb
differ from the Masoretic Text (Geisler and
Nix, 1986, p. 382).

10 letters = spelling differences

4 letters = stylistic changes

3 letters = added word for GÇ£lightGÇ¥ (vs. 11)
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17 letters = no affect on biblical teaching

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

Syrian Air Defense weaponry is not the same as Libyan Air Defense weaponry.

Pre-revolution, I would have given Libya a 4 of 10 rating
Syria is more of an 8 of 10.

The US, China, and Russia are the only real 10 of 10s, most major NATO countries are a 9 of 10.

Djibouti would be a 0...just for reference.

So its not a lack of US backing, its that air strikes into Syria represent a much greater risk than air strikes into Libya did. Helping Syrian rebels would be for the US like another invasion of Iraq Lots and Lots of sorties.

You forget to add, "with US backing"

It wasn't until the US offered logistical support that the operations begun.

Same reason why Syria job is right now un-do-able. No US logistical support for military operations.

US backing, then things happen....