I hate to get into a religious debate, but you're wrong mad mudd :), if you say it mentions death to unbelievers in several places, quote me one of them plz.

Why would you ruin a perfectly good game with relgion?

This game is buggy enough lets keep buggy dogma out! Haha joking!

But serious. Relgion sucks.

Edit: that gets me thinking... can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

The SiFi book Eaters of the Dead had a Muslim protagonist. YOU would know about this because they made a MOVIE of the book, called 'The 13th Warrior'

Please stop posting things against religions.. ( Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Paganism, Heathenism, Hinduism, Bhudism. etc )

And stop making silly accusations against the Al'Quran or Bible. It makes you look uneducated and immature. Keep this post mature and don't make fun of others because of their beliefs or culture. Thank you.

Salaam.
-Elijah

I did warn you people will hassle you. IMHO don't make a big deal about people being Muslim or not. Makes threads flame bait due to world events. Just recruit Arabic speakers. Tbh, just take the focus off your religion. Islam is not a tolerant religion... It's your choice.
Please don't get uppity when people site references in your holy texts.

No hate guys, religion is a perspective... nothing wrong with it as long as people don't force it on others and kill people over it. Salaam to my brothers and sisters that are already in corps and can't join(:

Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.

Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.

north ireland isn't about religion...

I am really surprised that the moderators have not locked this thread down yet, but whatever, it is interesting stuff.

I think without a lock that this thread will extend to many pages and It amuses me how some of the posters are tiptoeing around in here like it's a minefield, which it certainly is.

The old saying is "never bring up politics or religion in the presence of polite company," but personally I could talk about either topic all day long and enjoy it.

It's always the zealots of any religion that ruin it for all.

Good stuff!

I know your weakness Muslims.......

(Evil laughter)

ccp sucks:P

I'm surprised this thread is still around, I suppose it's technically a recruitment thread so that makes it different.

Anyone want to debate?

I find it odd how people can believe so strongly in something that they have no evidence for, especially when there are much more rational and empirically backed-up explanations with verifiable physical evidence. If a Muslim was born in the Vatican, then he would likely just as easily end up being Catholic. Science doesn't have all the answers, but the answers science finds have been growing exponentially as time passes. Science isn't error free, but it changes its conclusions when new evidence emerges instead of being a set unchanging dogma that. At least the answers they do find over time are based on observable measurable reality, so it doesn't make sense to me when people believe something written in an ancient book over hard evidence when the 2 contradict.
Religions with all knowing gods that punish people with hell doesn't make sense to me either. If God is all knowing, then free will cannot exist. If God knows everything, then he knows what you will do before you do it, and the only way he could know that is if the future is already decided, and your choices cannot go differently (hence no free will). If there is no free will, then it makes no sense to punish someone with an eternity of suffering over something they had no control of; such a God would be evil. Even if free will exists, it doesn't make sense that finite actions with infinitely tiny effects on the universe as a whole would deserve infinite suffering, after a few hundred years you wouldn't even remember what it was that you did, or that you were ever alive on Earth... seems excessive. I know Islam does have a thing where someone looking up from Heaven can bail you out of jail if they take pity on you, but what if they don't?
Religion in general does have purpose of community and morality, but both these things can be achieved without religion. Nationalism for example (as dangerous as it is) has been extremely successful at creating a sense of community, or basically any ideology. Morality is largely built in, and evolved in not only humans, but various social animals (altruism and senses of justice in chimps for example). Children too young to have learned any moral codes have been shown to instinctually have empathy. Morality exist as a way to maintain group stability; if everyone was allowed to murder, then there would be no sense of security, lying is considered wrong because if everyone lied all the time then language would become obsolete, etc. All that is required for a moral code is the basic understanding of what is good or not good for human happiness and well being, and some empathy.

I must say though 800-1100 AD was a great period for science and mathematics (concept of zero, Arabic numerals which we use today, stars mapped and named, al-gebra, al-gorithms, etc). Bagdad was the intellectual center of the world with free exchange of ideas between a variety of religions and doubters, but then this a$$hole imam called Hamid al-Ghazali decided math was the work of the devil, and destroyed the intellectual enterprise of Islam. Islam deserves some credit.

...can anyone tell me a sci fi book/show/comic has a musilem is the main protaganist.. I dont think ive ever seen one! I would like to see if something like that has ever been made.

Then again, sci fi is all about progressive thinking... relgion dosent have a good track record as far as that goes..

Any fellow atheists around?
They say we are militant. LETS GET MILITANT!

Not an atheist but a scientist.

So my natural first question is: Please post your experimental setup so I can reproduce your conclusions.

These forums are delving into religious debates now..... -_-

*sigh

Sorry to CCP that people are going a bit out of order on my thread. and about the comment i made about the other religions of the middle east, forgive me. I didn't mean it as insulting. I love all people and i realize people have their own beliefs(: i just wanted a corp that enlisted fellow Muslims so we can form a community for other Muslims to come to. And to the people still trying to prove Islam, Christians, and Jews and other religions wrong... Just stop wasting your time, i understand allot of us religious people are wrong for trying to force it on you, but religion isn't going to go away any time soon, its a way of life, and it was needed in mans evolution for the creation of Community's.

" You cannot blame an entire religion or culture as being bad just because there are a few bad people from these religions and cultures... Otherwise every community, even atheists, would be considered wrong. "

love to CCP, i never meant to start a flame war, everyone is welcome to comment what they want on this thread, but i say again, please be mature, and don't ridicule others!

I fully understand, you wish to game with people like you,
as does everyone...

I myself am likely to join/start a corps that enjoys a bit of light RP gaming,
but doesn't take it too seriously
as is probably evident in my posts.

Also I have to say all this debate, good or ill, is at least getting people viewing your thread,
and keeping it active, which can't be a bad thing.

blessed be,


- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -

false, this was never meant as a religious debate. people changed it into that because they cannot get along...