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miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.08 00:34:00 -
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madd mudd wrote:miahus wrote:I hate to get into a religious debate, but you're wrong mad mudd :), if you say it mentions death to unbelievers in several places, quote me one of them plz. Sura 9:29-33 Sura 66:9 Quran (2:191-193) Quran (2:244) Quran (2:216) Not to mention the very origin of the religion, unfortunately, does deal with a lot with battles between Mohammad's followers and Meccans, thus cementing the Islam religion in the world. Not that it really matters... The OP made a backhanded comment about other religions, and put "fight for islam" as part of his first post. Very distasteful IMO. No one cares if he wants to have a group of regional friends to play with, or even of the same religion, but those two comments were unneccessary and distasteful. If he truly is willing to just play with anyone, though preffering regional proximity, saying backhanded comments about other religions and saying fight for Islam isn't going to help with that.
I asked you to quote me one, not to just drop numbers on me. I have read the parts you mentioned but there is nothing there that calls for killing non believers just like that on the spot, and then you appreciating us not practicing otherwise we will go around killing nonbelievers. All chapters and verses you mentioned cannot be correctly understood unless they are considered parts of one integral whole that must be read in the context of the clear-cut quranic rule that war is permitted only in self defence. in other words, the injunction to fight is relevant only in the event of aggression committed against the muslim community or state, or in the presence of an unmistakable threat to its security. Like most internet educated religious scholars, you have been mis/disinformed. I don't even know what translation you were quoting, but i can tell it is a kittened up one :) |
Elijah Revan
88
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:25:00 -
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miahus wrote:madd mudd wrote:miahus wrote:I hate to get into a religious debate, but you're wrong mad mudd :), if you say it mentions death to unbelievers in several places, quote me one of them plz. Sura 9:29-33 Sura 66:9 Quran (2:191-193) Quran (2:244) Quran (2:216) Not to mention the very origin of the religion, unfortunately, does deal with a lot with battles between Mohammad's followers and Meccans, thus cementing the Islam religion in the world. Not that it really matters... The OP made a backhanded comment about other religions, and put "fight for islam" as part of his first post. Very distasteful IMO. No one cares if he wants to have a group of regional friends to play with, or even of the same religion, but those two comments were unneccessary and distasteful. If he truly is willing to just play with anyone, though preffering regional proximity, saying backhanded comments about other religions and saying fight for Islam isn't going to help with that. I asked you to quote me one, not to just drop numbers on me. I have read the parts you mentioned but there is nothing there that calls for killing non believers just like that on the spot, and then you appreciating us not practicing otherwise we will go around killing nonbelievers. All chapters and verses you mentioned cannot be correctly understood unless they are considered parts of one integral whole that must be read in the context of the clear-cut quranic rule that war is permitted only in self defence. in other words, the injunction to fight is relevant only in the event of aggression committed against the muslim community or state, or in the presence of an unmistakable threat to its security. Like most internet educated religious scholars, you have been mis/disinformed. I don't even know what translation you were quoting, but i can tell it is a kittened up one :)
Brother, let them stay in their ways, for Allah ( swt ) is merciful enough to forgive them their ways, for they surely have gone astray from the purity. Remember Al-Fatiha Al-Quran my beloved brother.
Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim. Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen. Ar-rahman ir-rahim. Maliki yawm-deen. Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een. Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem. Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim, Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.
( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds. the beneficent, the most merciful. Master of the day of judgment. Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day. Guide us the straight path The path of those who bestow your grace. Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.
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Song Soulfire
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:10:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote: Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim. Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen. Ar-rahman ir-rahim. Maliki yawm-deen. Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een. Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem. Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim, Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.
( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds. the beneficent, the most merciful. Master of the day of judgment. Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day. Guide us the straight path The path of those who bestow your grace. Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.
O_o that is all kinds of cool. 'not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor the path of those who go astray."
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Elijah Revan
88
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:56:00 -
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Song Soulfire wrote:Elijah Revan wrote: Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim. Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen. Ar-rahman ir-rahim. Maliki yawm-deen. Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een. Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem. Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim, Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.
( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds. the beneficent, the most merciful. Master of the day of judgment. Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day. Guide us the straight path The path of those who bestow your grace. Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.
O_o that is all kinds of cool. 'not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor the path of those who go astray."
your point? lol |
tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
59
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Posted - 2012.09.08 04:30:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:SoLJae wrote:7 freakin pages!
I am so impressed with all of you, for real. Salaam :D i can get along with Atheists as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, and in return i will not mine on them, I'm Muslima and 70% of my friends are Christian and Atheist :p i'm pretty accepting lol
Atheist beliefs? What exactly might those be? This is so far off it's not even wrong.
The forcing of atheist beliefs? This is called "teaching critical thinking" (please notice that I did not say "education"), and atheism is one of the likely (I hope) eventual results of the process, -not the cause of it.
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Song Soulfire
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.09.08 04:49:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:Song Soulfire wrote:Elijah Revan wrote: Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim. Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen. Ar-rahman ir-rahim. Maliki yawm-deen. Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een. Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem. Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim, Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen.
( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds. the beneficent, the most merciful. Master of the day of judgment. Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day. Guide us the straight path The path of those who bestow your grace. Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.
O_o that is all kinds of cool. 'not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor the path of those who go astray." your point? lol
I just like the last part is all
Guide me down the path that is mine, do not let me follow those who only know anger, nor those that have lost their way.
... i really like that. my interpretation (hoping to not cause grief or offense)
<3 |
Jean-Henri
30
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Posted - 2012.09.08 04:52:00 -
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tastzlike chicken wrote:Elijah Revan wrote:SoLJae wrote:7 freakin pages!
I am so impressed with all of you, for real. Salaam :D i can get along with Atheists as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, and in return i will not mine on them, I'm Muslima and 70% of my friends are Christian and Atheist :p i'm pretty accepting lol Atheist beliefs? What exactly might those be? This is so far off it's not even wrong. The forcing of atheist beliefs? This is called "teaching critical thinking" (please notice that I did not say "education"), and atheism is one of the likely (I hope) eventual results of the process, -not the cause of it.
not everything tastes like chicken... the empirical proof being my taste buds...... wait ..what? |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.08 06:13:00 -
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why hasn't this trollbait thread been locked already? |
Brahma El Indio
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.09.08 07:57:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:[quote=Tony Calif]Take a Jew, a Hindu and a Muslim. Ask them to interpret Buddhist teachings. You'll get a different answer from every one. Just look at the northern ireland stuff kicking off. Even people who believe in the same god decide that they're right, everyone else is wrong. This is why religion is usually Internet suicide.
trust you.
Buddhism was invented by Hindus to civilise the Chinese. The Jew and Muslim interpretations of Buddhist teachings will be rubbish. Bit like asking Catholics to interpret the Inca beliefs. They couldn't understand so they just killed everyone and stole their stuff.
Hmm. Thinking about what I just wrote.
in Dust, we are going to kill each other to steal each others stuff.
The Jew and the Muslim have been doing that since the birth of Islam.
Maybe religion is appropriate here after all. Then again, maybe not. |
Xiree
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:54:00 -
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Actually Iraq / Egypt / India hasn't had any internet connection for several months. Few months ago they shut down their power plants... To save power or upgrade their powerline tech. They have blackouts about ever 4 hours. I believe the most innovative tech that is actually even used over there is cell phones.
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.08 09:20:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:SoLJae wrote:7 freakin pages!
I am so impressed with all of you, for real. Salaam :D i can get along with Atheists as long as they don't force their beliefs on me, and in return i will not mine on them, I'm Muslima and 70% of my friends are Christian and Atheist :p i'm pretty accepting lol
atheists is not a religion, so the beliefs are not beliefs in the way you see them. i don't want to get into a silly argument, but i believe in facts but their not beliefs they're facts.
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Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2012.09.08 10:10:00 -
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Flying Spaghetti Monster > You
(Edit to say: not meaning to offend, just being a smartass) |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.08 10:16:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:Flying Spaghetti Monster > You
lol |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.08 11:42:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:miahus wrote:madd mudd wrote:miahus wrote:I hate to get into a religious debate, but you're wrong mad mudd :), if you say it mentions death to unbelievers in several places, quote me one of them plz. Sura 9:29-33 Sura 66:9 Quran (2:191-193) Quran (2:244) Quran (2:216) Not to mention the very origin of the religion, unfortunately, does deal with a lot with battles between Mohammad's followers and Meccans, thus cementing the Islam religion in the world. Not that it really matters... The OP made a backhanded comment about other religions, and put "fight for islam" as part of his first post. Very distasteful IMO. No one cares if he wants to have a group of regional friends to play with, or even of the same religion, but those two comments were unneccessary and distasteful. If he truly is willing to just play with anyone, though preffering regional proximity, saying backhanded comments about other religions and saying fight for Islam isn't going to help with that. I asked you to quote me one, not to just drop numbers on me. I have read the parts you mentioned but there is nothing there that calls for killing non believers just like that on the spot, and then you appreciating us not practicing otherwise we will go around killing nonbelievers. All chapters and verses you mentioned cannot be correctly understood unless they are considered parts of one integral whole that must be read in the context of the clear-cut quranic rule that war is permitted only in self defence. in other words, the injunction to fight is relevant only in the event of aggression committed against the muslim community or state, or in the presence of an unmistakable threat to its security. Like most internet educated religious scholars, you have been mis/disinformed. I don't even know what translation you were quoting, but i can tell it is a kittened up one :) Brother, let them stay in their ways, for Allah ( swt ) is merciful enough to forgive them their ways, for they surely have gone astray from the purity. Remember Al-Fatiha Al-Quran my beloved brother. Audibillah Hi-Min al-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim. Alhamduillahi rabb-illallameen. Ar-rahman ir-rahim. Maliki yawm-deen. Iyyaka nu'budu wa iyyaka,nasta-een. Ihdinas sirat-al-musta'queem. Sirat-ihdina,Anamta alayhim, Ghary-ill magdubi alayhim walad, Dwaleen. Ameen. ( I seek refuge in Allah from the Satan Accursed. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful. All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds. the beneficent, the most merciful. Master of the day of judgment. Thee ( alone ) do we worship, and Thee ( alone ) do we ask for help each and every day. Guide us the straight path The path of those who bestow your grace. Not the path of those who bestow your anger, nor of those who go astray. O, Allah accept.
This is when religion becomes a problem. Please don't say so and so has lost their way or gone astray. Then quote a load of "praise Allah." Pretty much forcing your views on people. Ignore them please instead of responding. |
Nate Silverley
Rebelles A Quebec
139
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Posted - 2012.09.08 11:50:00 -
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LOCK THIS KITTENING THREAD ALREADY
Please. |
Jean-Henri
30
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:06:00 -
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Tolerance is a virtue, anonymity the cure. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:06:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:Flying Spaghetti Monster > You (Edit to say: not meaning to offend, just being a smartass)
just made me laugh. |
SoLJae
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
351
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:47:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Wow, this thread is VERY unusual,yet strangely fascinating. It's great to see the religions and atheists get through 6 pages without war breaking out.
Transfixed by this amazing thread. To see different posters from around the world discussing RELIGION on the INTERNET and for the most part doing it in a civil fashion, we might want to alert the UN and show them how gamers do it!
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.08 13:07:00 -
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I actualy think this threads kinda cool.
What do you know many sides actualy asking questions and chatting.
Best thread in ages you can all have gold stars
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.08 13:13:00 -
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made it 8 pages, good job |
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Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:01:00 -
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Page 7 was a bit rocky... |
Shadows Maker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:57:00 -
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CCP you should be proud of your testers kudos to all of you guys, my first time to see such civilize religions discussion, the world should learn from New Eaden mercenaries ironically the merc who made to be ruthless killing machines knows how to handle religions conflicts peacefully |
Elijah Revan
88
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:51:00 -
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I agree, i am glad we have made it thus far without fighting. Just a few tolls here and there, but i know there just joking around(: and btw, when i said atheists forcing their beliefs i did not mean religion, i meant the belief that there is no god. And when i quoted Al-Fatiha Al-Quran, I was not directing it to anyone but my brother. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon all of you(: |
Elijah Revan
88
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:53:00 -
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And there is no reason to lock this thread, no one is technically being racist, against religion in a strong manner, or threatening anyone, we're just having a peaceful mature conversation. Not to mention, the reason i made this whole thread was to recruit fellow Muslims, not even get into a conversation. haha <3 |
Brahma El Indio
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:20:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:[quote=KingBlade82][quote=Elijah Revan]As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.
So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :) Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar
Thoughts and peace to the families of recent murder victims, who were killed in the name of religion according to the news. It was plain to see the motivation of the attackers.
The whole thing makes me feel so sick and angry. Just for the record, this post is not a flame on any religion and I am not a Muslim, nor will i ever be one, ever.
Again, peace and thoughts with the families of the innocent. |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
358
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:42:00 -
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Haha, YES! I fully approve that post!
Way to go! Dune lives on.... |
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GM Unicorn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:48:00 -
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More or less everyone knows what happen in the last 24h so please think about posting and keep being such an awesome community that is able to talk without flames for 8 pages about a really sensitive topic like that. Thank you. |
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Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:48:00 -
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My favorite part of this thread was when people who can't read Arabic try to tell those who can what Al' rasulAllah meant when he recited.
Also, Elijah you can not give Salaams to the kufar... If you are Sunni, anyway. If you are Shia then you know the drill. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.12 21:57:00 -
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Loss Tovas wrote:My favorite part of this thread was when people who can't read Arabic try to tell those who can what Al' rasulAllah meant when he recited.
Also, Elijah you can not give Salaams to the kufar... If you are Sunni, anyway. If you are Shia then you know the drill.
kufar love the word, but love the word science better...
salaams: a common greeting in many Arabic-speaking and Muslim countries. noun a gesture of greeting or respect, with or without a spoken salutation, typically consisting of a low bow of the head and body with the hand or fingers touching the forehead. Compare with shalom.
kufar: Kafir (Arabic: +â+º+ü+¦GÇÄ k-üfir, plural +â+ü+æ+º+¦ kuff-ür) is an Arabic term used in a Islamic doctrinal sense, usually translated as "unbeliever," "disbeliever," or "infidel." The term refers to a person who rejects God or who hides, denies, or covers the "truth." |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:00:00 -
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4447 wrote:Loss Tovas wrote:My favorite part of this thread was when people who can't read Arabic try to tell those who can what Al' rasulAllah meant when he recited.
Also, Elijah you can not give Salaams to the kufar... If you are Sunni, anyway. If you are Shia then you know the drill. kufar love the word, but love the word science better...
Then I'm willing to bet you find the Arabic word 'Algebra' down right fascinating. |
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