Then I'm willing to bet you find the Arabic word 'Algebra' down right fascinating.

I'm ashamed that the American Diplomat was killed in Libya/Middle East. But the
protests are justified considering the Jewish guy Sam Bacile is creating a movie that downright insults directly, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) peace be upon him. That's a disgusting thing to do.

it's just a movie get over it...

justified protest over a movie?

it's just a movie get over it...

justified protest over a movie?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/12/anti-islam-filmmaker-sam-bacile-goes-into-hiding-after-movie-sparks-violent-riots-in-egypt-libya/


If it was about Jesus (isa) it would've been even worse. From both Christianx and Muslims, because we respect him as well.

And protests? If the world didn't protest, there would be no freedom.


Read the link, then come back.

takes two to tango man...

i take that on broad but do killing 3 innocent people for something they didn't do"two to tango"? why was it on sep 11th, not two months ago when the film was out?

4 people were killed i believe and idk man but if the movie didnt show up then there wouldnt have been protest but as u said it does not mean God gave you the right to kill anyone innocent over it so in reality it "fanatics" that believe since their religion was insulted they have to kill whoever insulted it in this case it was an american film and the closet they can do was rush the embassy. Libyan Security forces had fought along side the americans in the embassy and helped evacuate as many as they could. Even they know a bit of tolerance and to take things so seriously. but again it was just a group of "fanatics" who thought this was the right thing to do and i find kind of funny that these "fanatics" take it upon themselves to kill for God because they think thats what God/Muhammad wants them to do. its just senseless violence, just like the crusades. Holy wars will never be won by anyone.

Like I said, I do not be live in the killings as I said before. I believed in the protests, but the killers were not true Muslims.

Atheist beliefs? What exactly might those be? This is so far off it's not even wrong.

The forcing of atheist beliefs? This is called "teaching critical thinking" (please notice that I did not say "education"), and atheism is one of the likely (I hope) eventual results of the process, -not the cause of it.

it just boils my eggs...

does all this boil down to schooling, or something else?

History confirms that three related tribes, Jews, Christians and Muslims, have been at war with each other since the birth of Islam. It will never change. Ever. Before that, the Jews fought the Christians.

And within the Muslim faith, when not busy fighting the others, they fight each other like Sunni and Shia.

Just after 911, the US told Pakistan that they would be bombed back to the stone age if they took the Taliban's side in the war on terror. In a public speech, the then military dictator of the only nuclear armed islamic state, openly stated that Pakistani Muslims must employ the tactic espoused by the prophet, to appease one enemy in order to continue the long term fight against both. So they helped the US, not because they supported the cause, but for the reason that Islam cannot fight both the Jew and the Christian at the same time and expect to survive. The long term strategy of islam is to fight both the Jew and the Christian, but on the terms that the Muslims select. They generally select non state actor violence, what we call terrorism. It is a product of the values of the faith. Similar modus operandi can be traced back over hundreds of years, including the many Muslim incursions into India, from the times of Genghis khan. A lot of these raids were Iike modern day terror attacks. Swift, brutal and inflicting mass carnage on innocent and defenceless victims. Justified by Islam.

The faith dictates, that those who are unbelievers, need to be brought to account before God and the faith enlists martyrs to bring the infidels to account.

I do not agree with or support such an ideology however I respect the right of others to follow the ideology of their choosing, but I deny that anyone has any right to inflict their ideology on others using violence.

Quite frankly the whole subject disgusts me.

of course they werent if im correct true muslims wouldnt even consider taking this kind of action

That's the horror of people using islam to control people, and to create zealots to do evil for them. just the other day someone was telling me why islam is bad and they all want to kill jews and hate us, ugh it's was sick to listen to so i put him in his place. he didn't believe me, but I wasn't going to sit there and listen to someone condem a religion based around peace just becuase 0.000001% of muslims would ever do a violent action in their life.

Without getting into forum banning territory, I'll just say this. It's the leaders of men, the men themself that do evil. And using religion to do something evil does not make the region evil. I know lots of people of every creed and religion and they are all swell people.

We live in an world with evil hiding in it's cracks, and sadly it's never going to go away. But lets try our best to be above that shall we?

What amazes me is the memory issue....Or memory lapse to be specific....

By that I mean, that we all know the US role in liberating Libya recently. Its very recent history. Without the US, Gaddafi would still be in charge.

Mohammed, on the other hand, lived from 570 to 672AD. That's a very long time ago. No one can say for sure or certainty that all things stated about this person in the modern world are factual, simply because there is no way to prove any of it.

For that reason, the Islamic reaction to the Bacile film, is totally unreasonable and out of proportion. It would be simpler and smarter for the Muslims to refute what Bacile said in the film, because it cannot be proven in any way. Further, the recent memory of the US help in liberating Libya should mean something and be given respect.

But the Muslims chose to play right into Bacile's hands by responding in the way his film suggests they would - with violence based on 1300 year old rhetoric.

Muslims were at one stage some of the smartest folks in the world. They gave us mathematics, astronomy and complex architecture. Now, we note them more for destruction and the massacre of innocents and it really does not need to be this way.

US? what about everyone else?

I'm not refuting that other countries helped liberate Libya.

But it is undeniable fact that in most modern day conflicts where western allies are involved in cooperation, that the US is the strategic and tactical leader as well as the principal financier of such theaters of conflict.

This is because of the concept of "big battalions" and "might is right". The US wants to liberate a country, others are prepared to help. If this US does not want involvement in a theater, for example, Syria, then other western allies will not act alone. That's how the big battalions and might is right concepts work in modern geo-politics.

For the record, I'm Australian and I'm not a Muslim. I was against the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq as my firm belief is that all terror roads lead directly to a country I mentioned in an earlier post, which has an Islamic nuke. I always am amused when people worry about Iran getting nukes. Hello? Anybody home? Where do they get the nuke tech? AQ Khan. Pakistan. Same country that gave rise to the Taliban. Very fishy stuff in the geo-politic. Bin Laden casually holed up in a fortified compound in a military garrison town swarming with ISI security personnel and apparently they had no knowledge? Yeah right. I smell a rat.

Where have they put up the current leader all zahwiri? In a mansion in the government area of Islamabad? Would not surprise me.

Cloak and dagger stuff, truly.

libya was a mission run by the uk/french gov...

ENOUGH. I do not like that everyone is causing a flame war. And may the US ambassador to Libya rest in peace, it was wrong to hurt that man over some stupid video. They should not have made the video, and people in the middle east should not hate america. i am an american citizen myself.

ENOUGH.

You forget to add, "with US backing"

It wasn't until the US offered logistical support that the operations begun.

Same reason why Syria job is right now un-do-able. No US logistical support for military operations.

US backing, then things happen....