Listen ladies, the truth is that all three abrahamic religions promote violence. Christianity is heavily based on Judaism even though they don't like to admit it. Christians base a lot of their beliefs from the old testament, but also try to throw out the stuff that they don't think fits anymore. Of course jews still believe in their book, and the Muslims follow the Qur'an . All books teach of violence to "non believers" and all also teach at some point or another of CONVERTING the non believers. So all three have serious contradictions, that just being one of them, that aid to confuse any believers of their religion.

With all three religions being full of so much bullcrap violence against those non believers, it is only the actual ACTIONS of the believers that count. And in current times, it is the muslims that are the most violent, extremest, and most harmful with their religion. Christians and jews for as bad as they are, have moved past and the religions have been able to adapt to modern society, while believers in islam have more or less stayed in the past with their own ways.

I'm sorry, but your religion does NOT preach peace, and on top of that there are FAR MORE of your believers that do MUCH GREATER harm than any other of the Abraham religions. The only religions in modern times that do more damage than Muslims are cults, and cults of course quickly die out and only cause more damage in a very limited amount of time (for example the day they all mass suicide or riot to the death)

Any muslim extremists here? Terrorists? Suicide Bombers? Enemies of the U.S.?
If so do an AMA, it would be really interesting.

What amazes me is the memory issue....Or memory lapse to be specific....

By that I mean, that we all know the US role in liberating Libya recently. Its very recent history. Without the US, Gaddafi would still be in charge.

Mohammed, on the other hand, lived from 570 to 672AD. That's a very long time ago. No one can say for sure or certainty that all things stated about this person in the modern world are factual, simply because there is no way to prove any of it.

For that reason, the Islamic reaction to the Bacile film, is totally unreasonable and out of proportion. It would be simpler and smarter for the Muslims to refute what Bacile said in the film, because it cannot be proven in any way. Further, the recent memory of the US help in liberating Libya should mean something and be given respect.

But the Muslims chose to play right into Bacile's hands by responding in the way his film suggests they would - with violence based on 1300 year old rhetoric.

Muslims were at one stage some of the smartest folks in the world. They gave us mathematics, astronomy and complex architecture. Now, we note them more for destruction and the massacre of innocents and it really does not need to be this way.

I'm going to try and avoid starting a flame war, but you are cherry picking more than the people you are criticizing. Plus you really don't seem to understand the fundamental difference between Judaism and the derivative religions. For example, Judaism is the only one of the three mentioned that believes "non-believers" are not less "good". It is a covenant of extra rules for a closer relationship, not a cult of believers on a course to convert the world. Believe it or not there are huge differences between religions. Fundamentalists are the problem (those who take works with context thousands of years ago before individuals were recognized for their unique value literally into the present), but religions that are aggressively and righteously evangelical are the vehicle that gives them power. Just as I would never say Islam is the whole of the problem, don't turn around and say all religions are the same, even if they are historically related.

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

History. http://kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/secrets-of-quran-a-sunnah/418-the-miracle-of-guarding-the-quran-



Not making any remarks about others, just placing facts here. University of Carolina found no contradictions or changes in the Quran, which is centuries old. For perspectives sake, they found about 2000 in other holy books. Again, test was not conducted by Muslims. Take it how you will. Islam is a religion of peace. Crusades? Christians after Muslims. Jews? In history, Jews wanted the final prophet to be from their "sect". It ended up that he came from the Arabs. Islam is the target.Feel free to argue politely, I'll try my best to answer any concerns.

TABLE 1. QUMRAN VS. THE MASORETES
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Of the 166 Hebrew words in Isaiah 53, only
seventeen letters in Dead Sea Scroll 1QIsb
differ from the Masoretic Text (Geisler and
Nix, 1986, p. 382).

10 letters = spelling differences

4 letters = stylistic changes

3 letters = added word for GÇ£lightGÇ¥ (vs. 11)
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17 letters = no affect on biblical teaching

As'Salaam Awakum brothers and sisters! When the game fully releases me and some friends will make a corp in EVE and Dust 514 for those who wish to show their passion for Allah! Ashadu anLa illah ha ill allah, wa ashadu anna mohammadun wa'raslla, audibillah min al'shaytan er rajeem! bismillah ir-rahman ir-rahim.

So please brothers and sisters, put your PSN name below and i shall add you :D
Christian brothers and sisters are welcome as well :)
Anyone else, even if not Muslima is welcome to join to fight for Islam! Sami-allahu akbar!

Syrian Air Defense weaponry is not the same as Libyan Air Defense weaponry.

Pre-revolution, I would have given Libya a 4 of 10 rating
Syria is more of an 8 of 10.

The US, China, and Russia are the only real 10 of 10s, most major NATO countries are a 9 of 10.

Djibouti would be a 0...just for reference.

So its not a lack of US backing, its that air strikes into Syria represent a much greater risk than air strikes into Libya did. Helping Syrian rebels would be for the US like another invasion of Iraq Lots and Lots of sorties.

You forget to add, "with US backing"

It wasn't until the US offered logistical support that the operations begun.

Same reason why Syria job is right now un-do-able. No US logistical support for military operations.

US backing, then things happen....

OK this went from simple small talk to a much bigger scale. Please refrain from using verses from the Quran to promote your argument unless you are sure you know the context of the part, it's meaning, and it's scale. The Quran is a deep book, and even if you study it all your life, you still won't know everything. I think this thread should move away from religion for now.


So to hijack the thread, who be lives US is doing the "right" thing for the right reason, and who thinks it's to scam resources out of other countries? Neither of these are my personal opinions, just playing devils advocate.

all religion causes is pain and suffering . in my eyes i have never met a person of ANY religion that did not judge others as if they were their god.

My cousin once had an awesome bumper sticker that read "Dear Lord, Please Protect Me From Your Followers."