i think they need to work on the store too seems like you can only look up items once or twice and then they just load forever

See i thought hp differences were fine it brought strategy instead of fps skill so even a person who wasnt good with shoot first die first could still do decent in games it would show its true colors once this game was out for awhile


btw wtf how come they dont post this stuff on here?

New Build
'later this month'

So, later this month? Tonight then? lol

Its september over there already, the just went to lunch.

Simple reasoning is that most forum readers can act like 3 year olds (such as the one question of why the av nerf had ot happen was very rudely asked) and thus any developer post made is treated like prohpecy and people get very very upset when miracles dont happen.

Which is another reason why I paraphrased everything they said. if something doenst happen. well you have to skin me first.

nothing is stopping anyone from spending some time and reading instructions to get into IRC channel

also i call this community building. when other players do the community work.

Trust me I am no favorite of the developers I probably cause more work than they wanted.

yeah but its like chat in game right,skype,aol, whatever u use if u miss it u cant find it or do they have a log of everything stated

I'm not sure about during beta, but CCP is actually really good at communicating things, at least when it comes to eve. So no clue why they are being hush hush about some things here.

The developers have a log of all thier outer game comms about cept the voice ones if they're ever on those. The CCP in IRC are normally just logging bots though but they do poke thier heads in to say hi or tell us something they fixed or use us for experiments (I think we lost one duster so far because of these experiments)

Uhm nope, its not like a special club you need super secret codes to get into. The channel is mostly sharing feedback in smaller lines at a time and mostly refelcts the forum complaints thoughout the day.

The pulling a voulnteer out for an experiment would be like...

CCP Developer> I need a voulentteer
Voulenteer guy that was just complaining about tanks being OP> Pick me!
CCP Developer> I need you to jump in this fire, possibly blow up your ps3 and tell me how it feels when you do.
Voulnteer> Okaies! Runs off and gets data! ARRRGH it burns! and my PS3 keeps crashing!
CCP Developer> Very Interesting *scribbels stuff down on notepad, then runs off

Utimately its things you really really dont want the entier gamer testing base to experince.

Not sure if this has been answered before but I am curious if it has not been answered if you wants to ask a dev...

Right now we currently have 4 drop suit classes and each class has a race associated with it. In th future (by full retail release) will each drop suit have a variant in multiple races with different perks/bonuses/draw-backs? Ie Caldari suits more shields, Gallente suits more armor etc.

Thank you.

This has been previously answsered as in yes, every race will have thier full loadout of suits and vehicles.

The current question is when? or By launch? Developers have been hinting this may be a possibility by launch.

But I forwarded the question to the IRC just in case.

Far as I know it would be matching up nearer to eve online's winter expansion.

Either way when they're ready.

Next build from what I been hearing so far is show worthy It would not surprise me if NDA gets lifted then.

r they wiping us again when new build comes or no? have u guys talked about it i just cant wait until the day comes i start to keep my stuff :P

This a dysncing issue I was told from previous QnAs I wasnt around for. Currently we are stressing Sisi beyond her nomral load I mean if you look at this page http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=singularity youll see pertty flat surface then MASSIVE spike being us.

cant be right, i experience it all the time even during the low user count periods

Not sure if this has been answered before but I am curious if it has not been answered if you wants to ask a dev...

Right now we currently have 4 drop suit classes and each class has a race associated with it. In th future (by full retail release) will each drop suit have a variant in multiple races with different perks/bonuses/draw-backs? Ie Caldari suits more shields, Gallente suits more armor etc.

Thank you.

Skills
'Next build you should see a larger number of skills providing bonsues.'

Oh come'on!
More bonuses for stats, why?
Also skills give bonuses without trade-off: welcome cheapness.
Really this is a FPS player's skills should be the only hings that matter in a FPS not in-game stats.

Why newcomers must be disadvantaged so much simply because they are new and don't have access to the enough in-game skills.

For example I think the thing about a laser war hammer was a joke.

i still see it as a special club and dont see why the players have to post it on here or wed never hear it from them (until official build notes that is)

Weakspots on buildings?

Listening/talking to 10-20 pole instead then 200 or 2k is the reason why the FPS players here all disappointed by Dust and why the gameplay/shooting is not good.

What are we here for then?

I was told that CCP was reading here but it's clear that IRC comes first.

Listening/talking to 10-20 pole instead then 200 or 2k is the reason why the FPS players here all disappointed by Dust and why the gameplay/shooting is not good.

What are we here for then?

I was told that CCP was reading here but it's clear that IRC comes first.

Weakspots on buildings?

I thought that sounded odd also.

I proposed/asked CCP to make survey & polls to get specific feedback on a large scale.
That, combined with the forums would have sufficed to get the feedback they needed.

Yours are all excuses.
Ways to get us all involved exist and are are far from chaotic.

The forums don't support polls.

It would have required additional work.

But it's not like the discussion we had with them was us providing more than you can in the currently available means.

Well, then they should have made forums that does support polls.
What stopped them, this are just temporary forums so they coudl have used the omnipresent vBulleting wich is super-cheap to license (less then 200$ I believe, CCP has 200$ to spare isn't it)


Really.
Guess what: when you make a big product, and an ambitious one such as Dust, begin stingy isn't going to help, especially on the feedback side.
Those additional work/money would not have gone in vain I assure you.


So why have IRC it in the first place if ti does nothing different.
That is wasting money and time.


We asked countless of time about a better communication, but nothing changed.
We'll see if this will pay off.
So far this only caused problems and discontent, and it's showing in the game.

I proposed/asked CCP to make survey & polls to get specific feedback on a large scale.
That, combined with the forums would have sufficed to get the feedback they needed.

Yours are all excuses.
Ways to get us all involved exist and are are far from chaotic.

What makes you think that a poll of the "community" is a good idea? Because people who play video games as a hobby 5-20 hours per week does not make their points on creating a video game valid, IMO.

Does Roger Goodell (the commissioner of the NFL) take polls of everyone who attends a game or watches on TV...NO. Why, just because someone is a fan of football doesn't mean they know how to run a league or make it more competitive or know anything constructive about the professional football.

Do NFL fans post on Internet forums and let their opinions be heard, yes. Do they let the NFL know what they think, yes. and if there is a large enough movement by fans, than the NFL can address it.

Same goes here, popular posts and opinions get addressed by the devs regularly and they take feedback on theorems and t hen have to determine if they agree with opinion/complaint and then prioritize fixing it.

Not every acehole with an opinion knows how to make a video game nor do they know what is required to fix, adjust, or create elements in a video game to "make it better"

Multiple Stage Maps/Game Modes
'Yes they're comming back but not skirmish mode the skirmish fell apart with the overly favoring the defenders.'

What does this mean? They're not actually getting rid of skirmish are they or am I reading that wrong?

Today CCP Wolfman and CCP CmndWang hot dropped into IRC and left us a few lines and answered a few questions. These are just generalized summaries and don't hold ccp to anything and this is not specific wording as I dont have the character limit to post all of it also understand that devlopment on the white board is subject to horribel erasing cancellations and sometimes newer shineier toys so you might as well take all of this as fuel for speculation and your magic crystal ball.

Also becuase copy/paste dont work on my cleint ><

Reasoning behind HP nerf
'We wanted to emphasize modules and skill training support skills on suits and not have HP as the advantage, There is discussion about reducing prices of higher end suits becuase of the recent changes.'

Immortal Tanks
'We are well aware of the issue and will be addressing it soon.'

Swarm Launcher Wonkiness
'*Looks into it 'its hard to tell because the numbers are looking right, warrents further investigation'

Tank Top Turret
'360 rotation fixed'

Hit Detection
'We have this new system that auto adjusts hit detection based on lag and it will be in the next patch/build we pretty happy about this system.'

LAV Turret Tracking While moving
'Nothing worked on but its planned to be fixed'

Skills
'Next build you should see a larger number of skills providing bonsues.'

Who boosts what in a Vehicle?
'The driver only atm, I'll get back to you on the passenger effective turret effectiveness since dev who works on that isnt here.'

Forge guns and AV
'We're going to increase forge gun range we are also looking at the numbers being generated during the 'nerfed' session before moving foward with buffs and/or ajdustments.'

Dropship Landing
'We're getting better landing gear for them'

Tank Culture
This was the longest discussion between multiple developers. IRCers expressed that most anti tank options currently are insufficent counters at similar cost ratios in both resources, options, isk and SP. Issues included tactics, remote repair, why HAV vs HAV doesnt happen and many more topics. CCP feels that additional options of next patch/build will address most concerns such as an AV statis webifier mine that would slow down a tank enough to OB to its death.

Newer Orbital Strikes
'These should severly damage/destroy even the best of tanks'

Lack of Communication over the (reason) of the AV nerf
"We posted the hotfix patches and we just tested how much further we can make live changes. Remember this is temporary."

Anti-Material Rifle
'Sniper Rifle but for headshotting Tanks is currently heavily bugged no plans in the short time.

Flux Grenades
'Shouldnt be able to kill butterflies its currently a bug infantry are dying to it...'


Multiple Grenade Slots
'We're working on it so hopefully more 'options' will open up by having more than one kind'

Contact Grenades
'Isk variants and others are being discussed now'

New Build
'later this month'

Corporate Battles
'There will be a winner, We are tracking victories for this event to the corp that won the most battles.'

Females
'Soon(without the tm)'

*CCP Staff breaks for Lunch
CCP Wolfman suggests he may be back to answer more post lunch.

Resumption after lunch.

Ladders
'We adding more! and fixing bugs associated with them.'

Racial Dropsuit Symetry
'On the roadmap in other words Soon(tm)'

Bugs
'We're fixing them.'

Moving/Operative Doors and Gates
'No plans atm'

Multiple Stage Maps/Game Modes
'Yes they're comming back but not skirmish mode the skirmish fell apart with the overly favoring the defenders.'

Weakspots on Buildings
'We wherent aware of it... we're going to look into it'

Heavy Machine Guns
'Have been retweaked to work albit differently, may require a nerf based on internal testing'

Mass Drivers
'also getting a tweak to increase damage radius slighlty.'

Swarm Launchers
'we're currently testing dumbfireless launchers thus lock ons required'

This a dysncing issue I was told from previous QnAs I wasnt around for. Currently we are stressing Sisi beyond her nomral load I mean if you look at this page http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=singularity youll see pertty flat surface then MASSIVE spike being us.

Heavy Machine Guns
'Have been retweaked to work albit differently, may require a nerf based on internal testing'

First I am talking about making specific polls/surveys, asking specific question on specific themes.
Second: many FPS players know what they like and what makes a FPS feel good under the thumbs.

Me and a lot of guys here have been saying from months that the gamepaly is poor and that needs to be improved completely.
I personally gave feedback on everything gameplay related, form animations, to sounds, to stats, etc...
Our opinions were discarded because, hell, we have not the right credentials: we are just a normal FPS players, some with decades of experience in FPS...we are not EVE players.
CCP don't believe us, don't trust our judgment, so be it: it will have to face the consequences of this.

Dust is getting a lot of bad publicity form PS+ players and journalist that say the same things we said for months: I see a link between this and CCP not listening to people that have played FPS for decades.

We don't have credential but we know what we are talking about.
Claiming we don't understand what a good FPS is about and ignore us already did a lot of damage.
Do you want more?

anyways more updates and chances are thats it becuas ccp wolfman began hunting down the swarm launcher misbehavior and we're trying to walk him step by step though replicating the misbehaving missile behavior.

[quoteThis is ridiculous. Oh poor childeren, is IRC too hard? Are words like "join" and "leave" too difficult to comprehend? The only thing barring you from the IRC channel is your own laziness or stupidity.

Simple reasoning is that most forum readers can act like 3 year olds (such as the one question of why the av nerf had ot happen was very rudely asked) and thus any developer post made is treated like prohpecy and people get very very upset when miracles dont happen.

Which is another reason why I paraphrased everything they said. if something doenst happen. well you have to skin me first.

This is ridiculous. Oh poor childeren, is IRC too hard? Are words like "join" and "leave" too difficult to comprehend? The only thing barring you from the IRC channel is your own laziness or stupidity.

[question] any chance of giving Mass Drivers a better aiming reticule?... like one that shows where the grenade will land +/-10%... something that moves along the ground like a small targeting square, that can follow terrain elevation, allowing for less "intuitive" use of the Mass Driver.

Fact is, the vast majority of PS3 players won't go near that channel b/c the fact you even have to memorize commands to log in is a wall no one wants to deal with.[/quote

This is ridiculous. Oh poor childeren, is IRC too hard? Are words like "join" and "leave" too difficult to comprehend? The only thing barring you from the IRC channel is your own laziness or stupidity.

Laziness is why most people buy a PS3 over going into pc gaming, the IRC is one extra thing they have to go get and the casual gamer isnt going to sit with a laptop right next to him while playing PS3. It doesnt make sense to some people due to the fact they arent used to having to look up fits/gear/patch notes. Some of us think its second nature to always have access to the internet while playing video games but even in this digital age most casual gamers have their PS3 and computers in different rooms; the PS3 is generally thought of as an entertainment tool while the PC is an important information collection/storage device.

I used to check on the IRC too but honestly I dont have the time to dedicate to squad up, deal with crash/bugs on multiple machines, or just hang out on a forum.

Multiple Stage Maps/Game Modes
'Yes they're comming back but not skirmish mode the skirmish fell apart with the overly favoring the defenders.'

What does this mean? They're not actually getting rid of skirmish are they or am I reading that wrong?

The skirmish mode with multiple stages didnt work,

Skirmish mode we have now is probably going to stay.

This would be something more along the lines of a new game mode.

They just basically said that the old multiple stage skirmished maped heavily favored the denfenders and would have eventually resulted in redlining too often.

It should be Forums > IRC

There should be polls, we shouldn't have to run and dig for info, we shouldn't get it secondhand.

If these forums have a point at all, then make them the focus.

We need more communication from CCP directly.

I don't have time to sit in IRC all day, my computers in another room.

Honestly I could care less about IRC and I guarentee thr same for most other testers. Half probably don't rven come on these forums.

Anyone saying otherwise is making excuses or just really wants it to be the way they want it to br, not the most logical or easy to use way.

/discussion

Also Templar Two I agree on all of your points. +1

Fair enough I normally try not to be so rude around here, but seems plain silly to complain about a thing simply because you can't be bothered to put forth any effort. If you can't see an inherit benefit to having real time communication when say, trying to identify network issues or anything else really. I'll just stop typing now.

This is a true testamenant to how out of touch the IRC channel truly is with what FPS gamers want. Not even a single mention of RBS, Recoil, Weapon Mechanics, or New Assault Rifles & Attachements.

Fact is, the vast majority of PS3 players won't go near that channel b/c the fact you even have to memorize commands to log in is a wall no one wants to deal with.

The problem with most FPSers is they dont really dont complain about any of those things outside the weapon attachments which have been currently stated as 'not being planned for... yet' I mean seriosly the questions I ask would be the same kinds you ask just right now I have a short amount of time (these sessions are like 20 minutes or less when they happen) just right now some things are majorly more annoying than others. I sweep the fourums daily and the questions asked mostly reflected pages 1-3 of GD and Feedback (not involving entirely new ideas)

You can see that the first questions getting asked where about the hot fixes today.

You can tell there was a crud tonn of questions about the tanks. Which alot of IRCers are beginning to feel that this game is going to turn into tanks online in which if tanks become to prevalant (which they are atm) how else are you going to test for bad weapons?

Aim assist was asked about too, alot of the IRCers feel that tweaking weapons before fixing hit detection can be a bad thing as it leads to some weapons being much more powerful than first intended such as last builds breach AR, and this builds Milita Shotgun

Dropship handeling was discussed a bit.

I mean seriously when was the last thread you saw about AR spread being bad? SMG recoil complaints died 2 builds ago, only one guy ever complained about reloading needing something more.

There are hundreds and hundresds of issues dedicated forum community guys have been trying to compile all of your complaints and so far not one mention that SMG turn rate while ADS, or Where is our Laser Rifle (SOONtm)? Or Gauss Rifle?

CCP cant do everything neither can we, I mean I cant read your thoughts right now.

Please please oh please tell me what FPS mechanics are broken. Becuase as a casual shooter I have no kitten idea what is wrong with some guns and not. I cant read your mind and keeping these damn things to yourself is the other half of the effing problem.

Prove me wrong.

List me 30 gun handeling speific issues and ill consider your arguement valid.

Also at the rate you guys keep off topic posting I am requesting a cleanup, lock, or deletion. Depends how [CCP]Frame or the GMs are feeling today.

30 is kind of an arbitrary number. Why choose it?

Here some issues just off the top of my head.

1. Hit detection sucks
2. Controls are terrible and need redone
3. Range on weapons is stupid, I can hold my SMG on tsrget and have a chance 9m away, but 10m away I don'tland a single hit.
4. The feedback on when you get hits is terrible, don't know if one or everyone of my hits are landing.
5. Skills that improve a guns stats like weapon damage
6. Tanks > infantry
7. Games movement is too slow for the amount of health we have.
8. Skill is usually overturned by lag or the fact that the person your facing has grinded for SP longer.

Thats just a few of the issues I see. I have heard them voiced several times and zippo feedback from devs

And I don' even play that much so I am not totally sure if these are the only ones either.

30 is kind of an arbitrary number. Why choose it?

Here some issues just off the top of my head.

1. Hit detection sucks
2. Controls are terrible and need redone
3. Range on weapons is stupid, I can hold my SMG on tsrget and have a chance 9m away, but 10m away I don'tland a single hit.
4. The feedback on when you get hits is terrible, don't know if one or everyone of my hits are landing.
5. Skills that improve a guns stats like weapon damage
6. Tanks > infantry
7. Games movement is too slow for the amount of health we have.
8. Skill is usually overturned by lag or the fact that the person your facing has grinded for SP longer.

Thats just a few of the issues I see. I have heard them voiced several times and zippo feedback from devs

And I don' even play that much so I am not totally sure if these are the only ones either.

I'm guessing that what seems to be upsetting some people is that the DEVs don't post everything to do with DUST onto the DUST forums.

I think i really like this game, and until it is released(and therefore considered somewhat finished) i'd like to be able to hear more about what is being planed for this game, and about any changes that may find their way into it.

As a beta tester, i'd like to think that my input is more then as a mere data producing automaton, that the forums are being read by CCP employees and the collective observations of the beta testers taken into account.

really what would alleviate some of this concern, would be more DEV responses and posts.

but then i've seen in other games forums how often such posts can be taken out of context, can take on a life of their own in a chinese whispers kind of way. People get worked up over things that people are saying that the DEVs said were going to be done or undone, and in reality DEVs are usually quite cryptic about changes that Might get made.

The DEVs also have seen how things get out of control, so though they may want to say more then they do, they just cannot.

This is usually why a lot of what players learn, doesn't always come from the games forums, but from other sites that deal with reviews or publicity. Doing things this way allows the DEVs to get information out to its players, in a round about way, but also to people who aren't playing the game, so that they can become interested in it.

In the end, as long as I can be sure that CCP employees are reading these forums and passing along information, I can be happy that my part in this games creation is valid.

I know that CCP has already got planned how this game should be, I am just here to test the games' systems, and that eventually all the systems will get compiled into one program, and that the game will be released when that happens.

1) When do you guys plan on 'adjusting' this current AV 'fix'? Are we going to have to wait clear until the next build? :/

2) How are you distributing the rewards for the corp battles? The Caldari and Gallente are putting up good fights for one another, while the Minmatar are decimating the Amarr. I don't believe it would be fair for the Minmatar to get rewards and neither the Caldari or Gallente, seeing as they didn't have a chance to fight the Minmatar corps.

Question 1 is likely to get answered well before the the next QnA session unfouruntely as the speed things develop vs how oftent hey poke thier head in.

Question 2 is better off being asked in here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33811&find=unread

The corp battles thing if I remember right was a line they dropped stating they where watching them very carefully and keeping track. Either way Im nearly as cluess as you are, only managed to get into one fight so far and it was a tank fest.

Question: What was the weapon chosen from Wolf somethings world of weapons thread?

I think he posted he was going to put those in his thread starting next week. let me look around.

edit

found it

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=278441#post278441

No I am not Nova Knife. In the iRC channel I am Ironwolf the guy without a greendot.

Going back to my quick list of issues,

# 5 I think was damage increased by gun stats.
- Personally I think that increasing material stats such as damage a bullet does per shot is bad in an FPS game. Same with fire rate in automatic weapons or such. Base gun stats should be pretty similar between a new player and an old player, the old players gun shouldn't somehow be more damaging that the new players because he is "skilled" at it.

Things such as bein certified to operate a weapon, compensate for recoil, hold steady to reduce barrel wander, reload faster, swap faster, fire steady for a longer time, and other more physically related skills make sense. But no amount of training is going to make a gun hit harder.

On the #7 movement issue, I believe the game should be faster as in movement speed. Initially I wanted the game slowed down, but I have decided otherwise since E3 build. The game benefits from faster movement. Not drastically faster, just a buff combined with fixed hit detection to help keep scouts from being OP again.
Also I believe that stamina could use a buff, you do so much running it takes forever on foot, and vehicles are too expensive to use as a regular infantry. The militia LAV is also tin foil armor, so it dies really fast too.

As for your answers to my other issues, they have been "fixing" hit detection for 3 builds now. I will believe it when I see it.

I'M LOOKING FOR TO THEM FIX GERNADES AT SOME POINT.

GO DUST

*Hugs

This is what I am looking for. ill be sure you are heard, posting your post now so we can discuss it further.

There is eve side lore as to why weapon skills increase damage but its really hard to belilve that having better knowledge of bulelt prejectories, shield frequency, resonance, spin angle of the shot can be applied at infantry levels, and while this may not make sense infantry size there is little excuse for vehicles to manage the same feats as eve ships on smaller scales.

From the game point of view I can see where the question raises with this one, I rather see the damage increases with the guns unlocked per level. However this brings into the question hw to counter those who say trained shield management and mechanics which makes them thicker targets.

The top tier damage modules are 10% and do make quite a big difference, especially with a proto rifle and maxed skills in those areas.

I'm still running around in an assault II suit and taking out guys with much better tank than me due to having a really, really high DPS.

I've got long term concerns about how weapon damage is going to scale on new players against older players.

Has their been any mention of T2 equipment in Dust as early as launch?

No so far we got the meta +5 factional variant weapons the other special issue side grades, and officer variants.

I dont expect to see tech 2 guns until we start industrial side in dust 514.

As for infantry movement they all warrent questions on the direction ccp wants to go. Ill be sure those get asked.

And for hit detection they keep working on it. and every build its gotten better and sometimes worse. Its almost as bad as the aim assist feature that I cannot for some reason turn off.

But Im in the same bandwagon as you, Ill keep complaining about hit detection until its 'fully' fixed. Right now this build made sniping and shotgunning very possible now it seems cqc with standoff weapons is nearly impossible.

Now that I think about it, How does a computer from the damage mod increses weapon damage....

Dammit it is the same tech/lore reasons.

Either way Ill bring it up as a question, both movement and gun damage thing.

Going back to my quick list of issues,

# 5 I think was damage increased by gun stats.
- Personally I think that increasing material stats such as damage a bullet does per shot is bad in an FPS game. Same with fire rate in automatic weapons or such. Base gun stats should be pretty similar between a new player and an old player, the old players gun shouldn't somehow be more damaging that the new players because he is "skilled" at it.

Things such as bein certified to operate a weapon, compensate for recoil, hold steady to reduce barrel wander, reload faster, swap faster, fire steady for a longer time, and other more physically related skills make sense. But no amount of training is going to make a gun hit harder.

On the #7 movement issue, I believe the game should be faster as in movement speed. Initially I wanted the game slowed down, but I have decided otherwise since E3 build. The game benefits from faster movement. Not drastically faster, just a buff combined with fixed hit detection to help keep scouts from being OP again.
Also I believe that stamina could use a buff, you do so much running it takes forever on foot, and vehicles are too expensive to use as a regular infantry. The militia LAV is also tin foil armor, so it dies really fast too.

As for your answers to my other issues, they have been "fixing" hit detection for 3 builds now. I will believe it when I see it.

See i played alot of mmorpgs and the higher lvl u r the more awesome u r i like this concept i think they had it right before now with the changing the health so everyone is equal is like this game is going backwards

I approve of skills that determine how well u do in battle and i never want that changed or i might as well go back to -imput name of popular shooter here-

There is also the zoning potnetial, those who have a gun to sell will not hang out in low paying high sec matches.

They will if there's nothing else for them to do.....


Nullsec corps are not always fighting for Sov so wont always have contracts up. They may go to Highsec fights just to shoot fish in a barrel, i know us goons would, just to troll and **** people off.

They have said skills will have more of an impact than they currently do on passive bonus's during the next build and i think that's going to change things again when people realise their fittings are what makes them surive, not their SP or choice of actual dropsuit.

It's all about the fittings.

The guy up there posted about being a bad ass the more you play, that's fine and good, but you still need to be able to die to someone below you or Dust will suffer the same fate of MAG and get a good, solid, loyal fanbase but it won't get any new blood because they won't be able to compete with older corps.

Didn't read the whole post so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. What about being able to compare items in the store simultaneously before purchase? It would make it a bit easier to choose an effective path for a build.

Oh come'on!
More bonuses for stats, why?
Also skills give bonuses without trade-off: welcome cheapness.
Really this is a FPS player's skills should be the only hings that matter in a FPS not in-game stats.

Why newcomers must be disadvantaged so much simply because they are new and don't have access to the enough in-game skills.

6. Tanks > infantry

NO ****. They're tanks. Clearly another lone-wolf who can't stand the thought of someone he can't drop in one shot with his "skillz". It's a bloody tank. If you aren't killing it, it means your team isn't doing enough to surround and hammer it. Yes, one of the factors is that the things can just run away, but I think your complaints are going to vanish into thin air when the Web mines come out and suddenly that tank is standing still, just melting under your swarm launchers and AV nades. Tanks seem OP because we don't have all the tools to counter them yet. This is exactly why they said their focus was on deploying content and not bug fixing and balance right now, because you need to have all the assets in place before you can really work out how they balance against each other.

I mean, everyone loves to say this isn't a Beta because "it isn't like (x) multiplayer beta I played". Well, to use that as an example, they talk about their experience with such "Betas" being indicative of CCP not caring about gameplay because in those they were re-adjusting mechanics from community feedback. The thing is, those were pretty much finished products, and with all the tools in play, they could work on balance without the worry of introducing something later that broke the whole system. Anyone here play the Starhawk closed beta?

EDIT: This is now my favorite thread. The more I read through it, the more awesome it got. We need more threads like this that actually discuss perceived issues into a relate-able format. Good thread, Iron.

This is a true testamenant to how out of touch the IRC channel truly is with what FPS gamers want. Not even a single mention of RBS, Recoil, Weapon Mechanics, or New Assault Rifles & Attachements.

Fact is, the vast majority of PS3 players won't go near that channel b/c the fact you even have to memorize commands to log in is a wall no one wants to deal with.

Forgive my ignorance but RBS?

Random Bullet Spread

Thought it was rear break system. shows you what I know.

Well as far as I know its not a cookie cutter pattern at least, I shot a shotgun at a wall and watched the spread patter and its very inconsistent unlike oh say halo 1 was.

As for RBS being talked about its like rarely if ever discussed its always hit detection no scoping and aim bots and shooting though walls.

Basically, devs use it as a replacement for weapon recoil. Instead of adding considerable recoil to a gun, where as you hold down automatic fire, and the longer you hold down the trigger, the more the gun bounces all over the screen (although usually upward)

Instead of this, RBS make your first round or first couple rounds (depending on how dev programs it) go on target. However the more you hold down trigger, the more the subsequent "bullets" RANDOMLY spread away from center/cross hairs....this method is generally frowned upon by FPSers because even though your crosshairs are on target, the bullets randomly go elesewhere. Recoil is preferred because you KNOW your aim is off, because your crosshairs actually travel off target. You can visually see, and adjust.

I brought up that the CRU had areas of differing efficiency ratings for some reason, they're looking into it.



They're not only listening to us. Our voices aren't shaping how the game is getting designed any more than yours are. They read every post on the forums. But, we've been able to have the opportunity to get some direct answers and provide feedback. You would get the same result with creating your own bug or feedback thread, we just get human interaction and an opportunity to clarify right away if they go "wait, what?"

This is why it's better to do short, frequent bursts or 3 round bursts than to just "let `er rip", in real life as well as here. Plus it's a great way to conserve ammunition, sometimes I even prefer the semi-auto 'tactical' ( single shot), especially when I'm using a logi dropsuit without a sidearm.

??? MAG had no skills plus u get passive SP daily the good players will always be good players the bad players the longer they play the better so it makes the game more accepting its just a time thing trust me this game will be ruthless either way lol

Basically, devs use it as a replacement for weapon recoil. Instead of adding considerable recoil to a gun, where as you hold down automatic fire, and the longer you hold down the trigger, the more the gun bounces all over the screen (although usually upward)

Instead of this, RBS make your first round or first couple rounds (depending on how dev programs it) go on target. However the more you hold down trigger, the more the subsequent "bullets" RANDOMLY spread away from center/cross hairs....this method is generally frowned upon by FPSers because even though your crosshairs are on target, the bullets randomly go elesewhere. Recoil is preferred because you KNOW your aim is off, because your crosshairs actually travel off target. You can visually see, and adjust.

Sorry to say, but MMORPG mechanics don't translate well into FPS's.

The edge should be in modules on eah suit since you have to trade off other modules to get those.

Skills have no limiter or tradeoff so making you "more awesome" just sucks for new guys. And just discourages use of specialization in modules and such.

no disrespect or anything but is DUST 514 your first FPS? because RBS is a major game breaking/making issue in FPS and so far i can't judge it due to the horrible hit detection beside i haven't played long enough in this build maybe other would like to shed light into this